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MrS
09-06-2002, 12:02 PM
AS are very easy to come by round here, it seems loads of people are taking them

I know i need to know lots more info, and read up on it lots more before i decide to take AS, but ive got a few quetions.

Anyway, round here people either take tablets which they call dbol, or sus and deca injections. Im not sure if the tablets are dbol so ill try and explain what they look like. They are white tablets with a little triangle on them. I cant remember the name but they come in an orange and white packet.

Ive read up a lot from this site and a few others and i just want some other views.

The course that people take, and what ive been told to take is one injection of sus and deca. Im not sure of the measurment they take is, all i know is its one injection a week and it costs £10 sterling for one injection. They put half sus and half deca in the injection. They usually take it for eight weeks.

Does that seem like a good course to take?
Should i be taking anything else with it?
Will it have an effect on my sex drive or anything similar while on it, or after coming off it?

The reason imasking here is because local people dont seem to know anything at all about it. They just shoot it up and thats it. I would rather get all my facts about it first before i take anything.

Thanks for any info...

viper10139
09-06-2002, 12:20 PM
Welcome to the board bro, but you need to do some research before you go just injecting stuff into your body... However a lot of people might flame you.... but still you just need to click the search button and type your info in...like sustanon or deca.... I am telling you there are some side effects, but still just be careful, before you go stickin!!!!!

basskiller
09-06-2002, 12:20 PM
The d-bol's are naposim and they good
As for your injection question

Sust comes in 250mgs/ml
deca comes in a few different strengths

Now most people will do
500mgs of sust per week and
around 300 to 400mgs perweek

Split into two doses each or you can combine half the sust and half the deca on Monday and the same on Thursday

But I would suggest you read alot more, because they is alot more to this then just taking the gear.

MrS
09-06-2002, 01:14 PM
Thanks for the info guys :)

I know there is a lot more i need to know about this before i take anything. Most people round here just go buy some stuff and start taking it. they either take the naposim or the sus and deca at 1 injection (sometimes more) per week. I do know quite a few people who take stuff and nobody knows much about it, thats why i did a search on the net and founf a few forums.

Nobody even mentions taking anything like Clomid or Hcg!!!!

As far as most people go locally, they just buy something of somebody who doesnt even know what to do with the stuff and start taking it.

they do the naposim like this:
2 tabs a day for a week
4 tabs a day for a week
6 tabs a day for a week
6 tabs a day for a week
6 tabs a day for a week
5 tabs a day for a week
4 tabs a day for a week
3 tabs a day for a week
2 tabs a day for a week
1 tabs a day for a week

and the sus and deca they take the same amount of each in one injection the same day every week for 8 weeks.

obviously there is a lot more to learn, but i am a bit wiser and im not taking anything for a while

superchicken
09-06-2002, 01:21 PM
i commend you on wanting to learn and not listening to the locals. good game plan bro.

goldenear
09-06-2002, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by MrS
Will it have an effect on my sex drive or anything similar while on it, or after coming off it?

I'd skip the Deca for your first cycle. It's highly androgenic and would shut you down pretty hard. I would recommend something less androgenic.

kossdeh
09-06-2002, 01:56 PM
With great respect for the goldenear (really a vet on other boards, just new here), I think deca is great for a first cycle. It is androgenic but has very few sides in moderate dosages like those recommended by bass and CE. Lots of newbies use it for that reason and the fact its easy to get and relatively moderate in price. The sust/deca/dbol cycle is the most common first cycle. With the dbol at the start and the sust kicking in a few weeks, just when you are stopping the dbol, you wont see anything but a huge boner the entire time you are on.
As far as you nap (dbol) regimen, only do it for the first 4 weeks of your cycle. Orals are much rougher on your body and take their toll over time. Limit their usage based on the toxicity (4-6 weeks for the dbol), and use it in the first part of your cycle to kick start things. Works great since the effects are very quick in onset.

MrS
09-06-2002, 02:08 PM
great info...

another question, what sort of weight will i put on after a course as mentioned above?
Im 21 yeard old (nearly 22), about 5 foot 10", 175 pounds (12 and a half stone). Ive been training for a while and I want the extra kick.

one last thing,
at the end of the cycle when people take things like ghc, clomide and stuff, is this just to reset the body back to how it should be, or is it to stop you loosing all your gains?

if i just do the one cycle (when ive learnt about it properly) will i keep most of my gains, or will most of it go after i have finished?

cybersteffan
09-06-2002, 02:25 PM
you should be able to put 20-25 bs on ya!

tubman
09-06-2002, 02:28 PM
Have you tried using Protein, Glutamine and some Creatine?

You're still pretty young bro and why spend the $$$$$ when you have a natural testosterone machine already.

Your diet and the 3 supplements I mentioned can definitely give you a KICK without having to go this route yet.

Do what ya like of course but one thing I learned is don't use it till you have to.

Also, how long is a "while" for your training and how well do you eat? These things are important as Diet is about 80% and training 15% with ANY supplements the remaining 5%.

-tubs

goldenear
09-06-2002, 02:50 PM
totally agree with tubs...IMO, you're too young for anabolics. You just don't need them. It took me about 5 years of hard training just to figure out what I needed to eat and how to train properly. Besides, the more natural muscle mass you gain, the better you'll respond to the meds.

MrS
09-06-2002, 03:08 PM
well ive been lifting weights since i was about 17. i used to do about 3 days a week and never really got much results. you could tell i lifted weights but nothing brilliant.

i had about 6-8 months off and ive just stared again in may this year. ive got more gains now than ive ever had but they are still slow and nothing brilliant.

ive been taking creatine for about a month and i take about 2 protein shakes a day. my diet is quite good, i dont watch calories or anything but i dont eat any junk food and everything i eat is fairly good.

i was 13 stone (182 pounds) in may and since then ive droped half a stone but i think that was excess body fat. i am quite lean and want to keep that way but i wanted some faster results too catch up to everybody. all these newbies to lifting weights come to the gym, take some gear and get past me straight away.


i think ill keep reading up on this and keep reading these boards and probably wait till after christmas and see what i look like and think then.

goldenear
09-06-2002, 04:45 PM
There are better choices than Deca... Eq for example. There's just no reason for a beginner to do that heavy of an androgenic cycle and then wonder why 8 weeks after stopping, they still haven't recovered. And with nandrolone's affinity for staying active so long in your body, it's no wonder why people are complaining about slow recovery after Deca.

smoothathlete
09-08-2002, 10:09 AM
What do you guys think of goldenear's comment? I am planning my first cycle. Goldenear what dosage fo sust. alone would u do for the first cycle and then what for the second cycle.

kossdeh
09-08-2002, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by Chemical Evolution

Why the Heck whould he want to do that? Deca is proberbly one of the best As'es to start on! Sides/gains considdered! just because it shuts you down hard dosent mean it does so for everybody!

Totally agree. You are going to get a shitload of conflicting arguement for either way. Look at CE's poll. THe choice b/w deca and EQ is going to be a personal one based on personal experience. You're not going to find a randomized clinical trial comparing the two in the New England journal. Anything short of that is going to be mostly anecdotal evidence re: which one is better.
I definately dont agree that deca is too strong or androgenic for a first cycle. Many people would agree. I think its great for a first cycle. As for which one would better suit you, read and pick. Id say you cant go wrong either way.