dbol + winnie = liver damage?

dbol + winnie = liver damage? (1st Cycle)

Gentlemen:

I have been reserching FOREVER in preparation for my first cycle...I figure better to take my time & do it right then screw myself up...

I am 42, been lifting seriously for 4 years, I'm at 9% bf and am in good health.

I had finally settled on doing a 12 week sus & deca cycle, with dbol weeks 1-4 as a "kick-start,' and finishing off the last 4 weeks with winnie as I tend to put on fat easily.

A brother whom I greatly respect in this field (he's a walking chemistry lab) told me that 4 weeks of dbol and 4 weeks of winnie in the same cycle was way too dangerous, as both are very harsh on the liver. He suggesting knocking out one of them....so now I'm thinking that maybe on my second cycle I'll go for "hard" and use fina, eq & winnie. (this is bad, I'm not into my 1st cycle and I'm already planning my second!!! And it just so happens my wife has lots of access to slin..heh, heh, heh...)

ANYWAY...wdaddayathink about the dbol & winnie in the same cycle for a first-time cycle by a middleaged guy?

thanks

bp59

i think its fine, but personally id save the winny for nxt cycle, your bulking obviously, and unless you plan to be really lean towards then end of the cycle, you wont see much effect from the winny. you might keep a lil more gains.

either way is fine though. your liver has plenty of rest in between the 2 orals

Chemical Evolution said:

listen up i've d-bol for a 2 month cyckle and never had liver trubles so i dont se how d-bol & winnie with a 4 week rest is gonna be dangerous to your liver!
Better check that chemistry lab again Bro!

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Some people would have liver damage from that, some won't. It's all about educated risks. I really don't see it being that harmful, but why bother throwing in winny, save it for later.

Take your ala and you'll be fine. You could try and take it like this though to give your liver as much of a break as possible:

Dbol weeks 1-4
Sust/Deca weeks 1-12
Winny weeks 12-15


You start clomid three weeks after your last shot anyway. So like that you give your liver an eight week break between orals.

I'm 36 & have had NO probs

I USUALLY will run D-bol for 6 wks sometimes as many as 8 wks and I almost always finish a cycle with winny & fina.
I agree with big guns take your ALA and add some milkthistle and you'll be fine. If you want you could always add some liver clense shit I heared that works pretty good.