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Harvey Balboner
09-19-2002, 01:15 AM
Someone broke in a duplex I just bought, it was vacant, they busted up the doors and fucked some stuff up inside. Obiviously I have insurance, but the prememium will sky rocket if I claim this.

One of the doors will not close back, I'm thinking of going, and spending the night with my ye olde trusty 9mm in case they come back for the appliances or something.

Man this pisses me off.

GetnBigr
09-19-2002, 07:42 AM
Take more than your 9mm, you don't want any shitheads like that to live. They'll get out of jail and startover!!

U.S. definately needs harsher pentalties on crime.

ex) If you steal, your hands get chopped off. IF you kill someone, we kill you in the same manner. If you use AS, we pay you to beat the shit out of criminals!!!

I hope everyone is clear on the fact that I am for AS.

Gear101*
09-19-2002, 07:58 AM
dude if that back door is screwed up just nail it off.. i're going to have to replace it anyway... let some one move in with a nice medium size dog.. something like a golden or a black lab... i know i know no pet.. just charge them the money for the cleaning and carpet.. people woth pets will pay.. hope that helps

GetnBigr
09-19-2002, 08:50 AM
guard dog and a bazooka!!!

1bigmus
09-19-2002, 08:59 AM
Dude thst sucks. Hey bud should be a tax write off if it rental property. If it's your unit, buy the other unit a door (read between the lines) and write it off.

bjtheman
09-19-2002, 09:46 AM
Your Insurance should not go up unless you have a prior history of claims! Also, depending on the types of previous losses you've had as well play an impact in your premiums too...If ya have any concerns PM me...who's you Ins. Carrier?

Harvey Balboner
09-19-2002, 12:28 PM
bjtheman, I've got Allstate, a friend who also has rental properties, told me he had a claim last year, and it made it pretty hard for him to get a new policy on any other properties he bought, I guess that is what I was worried about, they said that landlords policies don't have a "no claim discount" but they will probably drop me at the end of the year.

Harvey Balboner
09-19-2002, 12:31 PM
I'm going to have to replace the carpets, it smells like they took a piss on them, cut them in places, and there is some white gunk on it, I don't want to know what that is. The doors and frames, and they took some tools.

I guess it is not too bad considering they could have trashed it, the worst part is replacing the carpet.

Harvey Balboner
09-19-2002, 12:44 PM
I like GetnBgr's idea, of paying all the juice heads to start opening cans on crime.

Auriflex
09-19-2002, 12:53 PM
As tempting as shooting and maiming or killing an intruder is - don't forget you cannot use deadly force to protect property. Only when your life, or someone elses life is in your opinion threatened or in danger are you permitted by law to use deadly force.

But if you have a big yard, just dump the bodies in there and cover them with a couple lbs of lye.

bjtheman
09-19-2002, 12:58 PM
Actually if they enter your home w/o your consent you can do whatever it takes! Even trespassing on your property as long as you have one of those signs up stating that!

Auriflex
09-19-2002, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by bjtheman
Actually if they enter your home w/o your consent you can do whatever it takes! Even trespassing on your property as long as you have one of those signs up stating that!

BJ, I think that's incorrect. Much for the same reason why you shouldnt have a guard dog patrolling your junkyard - because it's property. And when you go to court to defend your actions, with the victims survivors seated behind you, and the rabid prosecutor pounding you with the question "Why did you use deadly force on the victim? You stammer "He was in my house". Friend, the prosecutor need not ask you one more thing. You've just hung yourself.

The judge and jury have to strike a balance. Your property is never going to be worth someones life. If you're defending property in the USA, and kill someone over it, you had better say you thought he pointed a gun at you.

I'll see if I can dig up actual rulings on court cases.

RF426
09-19-2002, 01:48 PM
Auri is correct. Look at how many innocent people have been prosecuted for assaulting/murdering an intruder. I recently remember hearing a case about a man who's house was being burglarized when he came home. He thought his family was in the house (later found out they were at a relatives) and went in and confronted and killed the man. He got a jail sentence (sorry I forget all the details) because the courts did not feel his life had been threatened. Messed up but true!

basskiller
09-19-2002, 01:51 PM
You can only use deadly force when you feel your life is in intimate danger... So by going there with your gun, you would be in the wrong...Peroid!

bjtheman
09-19-2002, 01:54 PM
It's one of those you make the call from certain standspoints! Depending on the situation I would assume would play a great role too and what actually takes place. I'm no judge, lawyer, or officer of the law....that's just what I've heard before!

Auriflex
09-19-2002, 02:06 PM
Actually, I should have researched this just a bit more before I posted - concerning rental property, I dont know if this would apply - but it might............


Q. What if someone is attacking me in my own home?

A. The courts have created an exception to the duty to retreat called the "castle doctrine". Under the castle doctrine, you need not retreat from your own home to avoid using deadly force against an assailant. This only applies when you are inside your home.

Example: Two men were fist-fighting in the common hallway between their apartments. One of them shot and killed the other. The Florida Supreme Court upheld the first degree murder conviction of the defendant, rejecting a claim of self-defense. The court said the defendant could have and should have retreated. The defendant in the above example claimed that because he had one foot in the doorway of his apartment, he did not have to retreat. The court rejected this argument, saying the defendant should have gone inside and shut the door. The castle doctrine applies if you are attacked in your own home by an intruder or an invited guest. The castle doctrine does not apply when the attacker and the person attacked both have the same legal right to be inside the home, such as husband and wife. Example: In a 1982 case, a woman was in her home when her husband attacked her without provocation. She shot and killed him. The Florida Supreme Court upheld her manslaughter conviction because she did not attempt to retreat from the attack before resorting to deadly force.




This is from a Florida Gov website on concealed carry and laws pertaining to it. But I now remember reading about the Castle Doctrine before.

I'll see if I can find something about this exact type of situation regarding the rental property.

Harvey Balboner
09-19-2002, 04:22 PM
I have a concelled weapon permit, in SC, if your property or your life is threatened, you must first attempt to avoid the situation, if that doesn't work, you must warn them you are armed, then you can pull your gun.

If they continue to come after you, and you are threatened they have some type of weapon, stick, knife, gun, whatever, you can open fire.

mbstrong
09-19-2002, 04:58 PM
Just shoot them and put a knife in there hand plain and simple.

winnie
09-20-2002, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by mbstrong
Just shoot them and put a knife in there hand plain and simple.

simpley put...:D

Choke03
09-20-2002, 11:21 AM
Mbstrong for President.