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kossdeh
09-22-2002, 05:19 PM
I read up on the stuff as much as I could and the best way to take it seemed the two week alternate with ECA. Im doing the 2-6 ramp up and down every pass with the clen. No probs other that being a little warm and excitable. :eek:
The question is, anyone know any alternatives for the dosing which they found to be more effective yet still safe.
BTW- not doing T3 alongside b/c had a huge thyroid prob when young and was on t4 for about 4 years! Not gonna mess with the thing unless I have to for medical reasons .

MacGyver
09-22-2002, 05:23 PM
Some people go with the one week alternate because they find it a harder crash when they come off of the clen and switch over.

mailboxkillR
09-22-2002, 05:23 PM
koss bro if you use liquid clen you only have to ramp up and you can stay on longer cause of the ketofin in it. The only thing is and I'm not positive on this is that you have to do an eca after for like 2 weeks if I'm wrong on this it won't hurt any anyways.

kossdeh
09-22-2002, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by MacGyver
Some people go with the one week alternate because they find it a harder crash when they come off of the clen and switch over.

Thought about that, the only prob was the few days youd actually be at 6 tabs since you only have a week to ramp and max. I guess with the one week you dont ramp back down?

kossdeh
09-22-2002, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by mailboxkillR
koss bro if you use liquid clen you only have to ramp up and you can stay on longer cause of the ketofin in it. The only thing is and I'm not positive on this is that you have to do an eca after for like 2 weeks if I'm wrong on this it won't hurt any anyways.

I got the pills (lots of them) because I took ketofin with a cough med once and it made me hallucinate:D Im a total drug pussy. If I take two benadryl tabs I freakin hallucinate. I do pretty well taking the clen day time so I went with the tabs again. Other than help you sleep (its an antihistamine) whats the ketofin good for?
I would love to be able to stay on the clen for the whole damn eight weeks, but Im afraid of what it'll do for me.
Last time I took the clen (3yrs ago) I lost maybe 2% bf. Not bad but being a fat ass thats only a drop in the bucket. Looking for something more effective

mailboxkillR
09-22-2002, 08:44 PM
koss I always take liquid clen before bed the ketofin will keep your receptors fresh so that you can take it for extended periods of time. Talk to gear 101 about it he stayed on for an extended period but I don't know how long. I'm planning at least 4 weeks with t-3 also.

kossdeh
09-22-2002, 10:28 PM
will do man. Wonder if the ketofen keeps the receptors for the clenbuterol clean and allows you to be on for a long time, if other h2 blockers do the same. Im on all sorts of allergy meds already.

CJWolford
09-23-2002, 10:47 AM
I'm gonna ramp up with the liquiclen, and stay at 6 tabs a day for 8 weeks, then ramp down and finish off with NYC.

Of course i'll monitor my BP, hopefully it won't go up.

I'll be running GH/Slin/T3 with the Clen too...

kossdeh
09-23-2002, 12:01 PM
Youre gonna stay on the clen from the whole ten weeks? Whats the longest youve been on it straight in the past?

kossdeh
09-23-2002, 06:03 PM
bump for more info

Gear101*
09-23-2002, 08:29 PM
i'm a two on two off w/ eca type of guy... and i like to use 40's

superchicken is the guy that can help you with the ten week thing.. when i use clen longer than two weeks i get really bad headaches.. and tell you the truth i not like tabs

CJWolford
09-23-2002, 09:57 PM
I've used them for 4 weeks straight before, and also 10 weeks total at 2 on 2 off.

I figure i'll just do 8-9 weeks of it straight through and use up 2 bottles of liquidclen.

kossdeh
09-23-2002, 11:25 PM
Ive never really had probs with the tabs. Im on them again now. No sides, even palpitation or headache. Every so often if I time my tabs poorly but no majors issues. Id like to do it for the entire 8 weeks but Im questioning whether they would be effective if I did it that way. Will the receptors downregulate and therefore make the dosage ineffective after prolonged usage?

kossdeh
09-24-2002, 12:51 AM
bump myself

mailboxkillR
09-24-2002, 12:57 AM
I beleive they would deregualte with out ketofin but hey I'm no chemist just blue collar

Bigup
09-25-2002, 10:46 AM
The slight anabolic effect subsides after only about 18 days. Fat burning effects for 4-6 weeks.

I use it for 2 weeks then break for two. I also use EPH at the same time and the fat comes right off.

CJWolford
09-25-2002, 11:11 AM
that's without ketotifen, right?

Bigup
09-25-2002, 11:19 AM
Dead right.

kossdeh
09-25-2002, 12:12 PM
Ok, Im not seeing the relationship, You have clen a beta 2 agonist. It relaxes smooth muscles like in the lungs and blood vessels, fixes your athsma and may inc or dec bp and heart rate. It has some CNS capability and I dont know whether this is why core temp goes up. Because of the high receptor affinity, the receptors eventually downregulate and the temp and prob BMR come back down. Ketotifin, is an H1 blocker. All it is capable of is keeping your allergy (mast cells) under control. Even though its not an H2 blocker, itll still make you sleepy. Its great for someone who's using clen for athsma b/c it helps them go to sleep and controls the allergic reaction which can lead to an athsmatic one.
You guys heard that it somehow keeps the clen active with regards to BMR and core temp with long term use?

CJWolford
09-25-2002, 01:13 PM
Ketotifen is simply an H1 antagonist, and because of the anti-inflammatory mechanism, helps to clean out the b1/b2 receptors, allowing clen to effectively bind to the recepors indefinately.

kossdeh
09-25-2002, 05:07 PM
Oh! Thanks. Wonder if my other H1 and H2 blockers (allergy meds) will do the same. Im always on a shitload of either claritin, clarinex, allegra, or zyrtec.