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Pru
09-22-2002, 10:26 PM
I've taken the advice of the vets here and did quite a bit of research before asking stupid questions. I'm 6'0 185lbs and wants to gain about 20-25lbs on my first cycle. I want to keep a lot of my gains. I'm bulking while trying to stay somewhat lean. My budget is somewhat restricted. I'm very athletic and have been lifting for 4 years with a one year break. What do you think about this as a first cycle?

week 1-4 25mg/day (Dbol)
week 1-10 400mg (EQ)
week 4-10 50mg/day (Winstrol)

Also will I need nolvadex or clomid?
Is there a cheaper way to do this type of cycle?

dedprez*
09-22-2002, 10:27 PM
drop the dbol and get some test!

dedprez*
09-22-2002, 10:28 PM
yes to clomid....i thought u did your research??

Pru
09-22-2002, 10:31 PM
run clomid on almost all cycles, then?

Pru
09-22-2002, 10:31 PM
mean after cycles

Pru
09-22-2002, 10:33 PM
what do you think of
week 1-10 test en 400mg
week 1-10 eq 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 25mg/day

Vaunz
09-22-2002, 10:33 PM
PM me bro, I'll help you out. My suggestion to start would be for us to go over your exact budget because your current cycle is not really optimal for what you're trying to do. You need test for sure. We could have you drop the EQ, which would save you a lot of $$ and just buy 1 bottle of the 300mg deca to run at 300mg a week for 10 weeks. Run that with 500mg of test and dbol in the beginning and maybe fina instead of winny at the end. Winny is not really the best for bulking but it is the 2nd most expensive steroid out there (next to anavar). Fina would give you very similar results, maybe better and will cost you less than 1/2 of winny. So we've got some work to do here before you start but I'll gladly volunteer my services to you. My pics are in the members pic forum if you'd like to see who you're talking to. Those were pics taken 3 1/2 months ago before I did my 1st cycle. Hit me up on maurer_stephen@hotmail.com and we'll get you straightened out. Peace.

kossdeh
09-22-2002, 10:37 PM
nice offer from a very good bro. IMO Vaunz has got a damn good plan considering your limited budget. Definately need to sub the winny out due to cost. I would go with a cheap test (t-200) and deca. Nice for any first cycle. Dbol is cheap and works great for mass, not the nicest kinda mass you want but the psych benefit especially during a first cycle is second to none.

Man Boobies
09-22-2002, 11:37 PM
I have to jump in on this one...I think it is great that people are ready to venture over to the anabolic side of BB...

Now, some people will agree and some will disagree...but this is MY opinion!

Since this is your first cycle...and you are on a budget...and weight under 200#s here is what I would recommend!

Weeks 1-10: 500mg+ of Sustanon
Weeks 13-15: Clomid

It is just that SIMPLE for a first cycle!!! NO need to do 1000MG of test for a first cycle!!! I did this cycle after not touching anything in over 2 years..and I gained 25 pounds!

Sust will kick in on day one...so you will have a good 10 weeks to bulk up!

MORE is not always better...so long as you EAT and LIFT like you WANT to gain...you will make results off of that cycle...PERIOD! I can't understand why first timers are looking towards stacks and high amounts!?

Cheers! MB

dedprez*
09-23-2002, 12:02 AM
400 test/ 300 eq....i would go eq over deca anyday.

Pru
09-23-2002, 12:43 AM
i've been told that you want to get a lot out of your first cycle because you are extremely receptive to it, so is stacking better than just straight test?

Ecfatcat
09-23-2002, 01:21 AM
man has a good point .....but synergy is the best way to maximise growth you won't need to do as much .......but don't start with tren it will make it hard to eat to gain .....test , eq.d-bol add tren for last 4wks you'll be fine ......liquidex. letrozol.....

knock yourself out

MacGyver
09-23-2002, 02:33 AM
I'd go with 400-500mg of Test. Leave the d-bol out. It's not needed if you add in EQ at 400mg. That's it. If you want to gain a lot of weight on your first cycle. EAT EAT EAT. Clomid or Nolva for post cycle.

mailboxkillR
09-23-2002, 06:00 AM
t-200 600mgs cause of being underdosed
deca 400mgs if you can't grow on deca you won't grow
liquidex for deca bloat
ala
tren would be ok except the ed or eod injects are not the best for a first timer
eat like theres no tomorrow but keep it as clean as possible
20 + lbs just about gauranteed

46and2aheadofme
09-23-2002, 06:29 AM
Can't add much to the excellent advice you've been given so far, except to agree. Here's what I'd do in your position, with a limited budget:
40mg dbol/day
600mg enanthate or cyp /week

The reason I like to run the dbol a little higher is because I find it very effective to take 15mg about 20min before your workout for a SICK pump, and spread the rest throughout the day.
I find simple, long-ester tests better for bulking, personally. I would look for some QV test over Brovel/Tornell/TT. I thought the Ttokkyo T200 was very underdosed.
You're right in thinking that this is your first cycle so you should include some test to take advantage of your body's higher anabolic reaction rate as opposed to later cycles. Deca and eq is where things get expensive, but if you decide to go that route, I prefer eq by far.
If you think you can handle EOD injections, tren is by far the best bang for the buck out there. I'll never do a cycle without it.

GetnBigr
09-23-2002, 08:23 AM
Pru- listen to Vaunz, he's a solid bro

have a look at his pic's, he's doing something right!

Pru
09-23-2002, 08:55 PM
thanks for all the advice bros, it helps out a newbie like me.
more is welcome

jshoty
09-24-2002, 01:37 PM
TEST TEST TEST

madchemist36
09-24-2002, 02:45 PM
do 40mgdbol week 1-4
500mg test and 400mg eq, i am not really a big fan of winny, its not bang for the buk.

mcinfo
09-24-2002, 03:15 PM
You have gotten enough input on the juice, just don’t feel you need to go high on the doses.
Focus on you eating and training.
Eat big and clean, then eat some more and train hard.
Remember if you use something like Sust. ( and I would) it takes a few weeks to kick in.
Bodybuilding is a lifetime sport it doesn’t have to happen in your first 10 week cycle.