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Well, after talking about steroids, to this big mofo (football coach), he's like 5'8, little bit over 235lbs. I was working out, in his gym, when I took my shirt off, he saw the pimples on my back and chest, and the minute he saw my body he was like: you better reserve your health insurance. So I was confused, and we talked alittle bit about AS, he told me he never in his life did anything, just creatine, and protein shakes..etc.. he's 40 years old. And I can tell he is all natural. This was his words that I remember "You might look big, and good now, after 10 - 15 years you'll see the truth about AS". This shit really pissed me off. I told him, before I did any of my cycles, I was preparing by reading lots of stuff etc..and he laughed. Also, he told me like 95% steroid users + professional body builders after 15 to 20 years get cancer and eventually die at early age. I didn't know how to answer him back, so I kept quiet. Even without steroids, his chest is like HUGE, his bench is like 490IBS and max like 500. This really bothers me, and I'm confused..

How old are you MandalorE?

If you let so much bother you because of 1 opinion you've got probs bro!

I'm 24.

Ask him where he gets his info from. The media?

You have to remember as a coach he has to preach scare tactics as often as possible. Even if he is lying about his own use.

you should have said you only use creatine and protein

GetnBigr said:

you should have said you only use creatine and protein

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exactly, cause the guy probably used in the past as well!

I don't think the guy has used in the past. There are alot of big people out there who have never juiced. But he is a fucking idiot for trying to act like he knows shit when clearly he don't know a fucking thing. Gotta go, I am late for my chemo! Like Presser said though, you better be ready with an educated answer instead of looking like a dumbass - no offense.

See, I'm sure all of you get in touch with people who are natural and who start talking shit when it comes to steroids. Thats what I hate. I wonder, why can't people mind their own fucking business ?? instead putting their shitty nose where it doesn't belong. I know I should've used better answer but he's a good friend of mine, and I don't want to arguee with him. But one thing I forgot to tell you what he told me was this, and you must agree with him, at least I do. He told me, like him and other natural bodybuilders, dont have to do shit. They only need to have a good diet plan, and good working out routine, thats all. He said I and other juicers must, inject, drink pills, take every single suppliment , have anti's, and do shitload of work in order to achieve desired goal. And he is true..

I still do a shitload of work, take pills, supplements, have a good diet, train , rest whether I am on a cycle OR off. Juice doesn't make you big. It's how you eat, train and rest while on it that makes you grow.

yeah, tell em where the research? you never hear shit about people getting cancer and crap like that, if so, i bet you can count them on your fingers. how often do you hear people losing their life cuz of AS? umm not much.

Here's a good reveiw of the current clinical "good" applications of AAS in chronic disease states including cancer. Your friend is full of shit and I can give you more studies if you need them. Presenting a fact-based opinion on this subject to a friend is not the same as arguing,if he's a true friend he should respect your opinon and more importantly your right to voice it,if he doesn't then maybe he needs to cut back on his Tren dosagesj/k

J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2001 Nov;86(11):5108-17 (ISSN: 0021-972X)
Basaria S; Wahlstrom JT; Dobs AS
The Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland 21287, USA.


The purpose of this study was to review the preclinical and clinical literature relevant to the efficacy and safety of anabolic androgen steroid therapy for palliative treatment of severe weight loss associated with chronic diseases. Data sources were published literature identified from the Medline database from January 1966 to December 2000, bibliographic references, and textbooks. Reports from preclinical and clinical trials were selected. Study designs and results were extracted from trial reports. Statistical evaluation or meta-analysis of combined results was not attempted. Androgenic anabolic steroids (AAS) are widely prescribed for the treatment of male hypogonadism; however, they may play a significant role in the treatment of other conditions as well, such as cachexia associated with human immunodeficiency virus, cancer, burns, renal and hepatic failure, and anemia associated with leukemia or kidney failure. A review of the anabolic effects of androgens and their efficacy in the treatment of these conditions is provided. In addition, the numerous and sometimes serious side effects that have been known to occur with androgen use are reviewed. Although the threat of various side effects is present, AAS therapy appears to have a favorable anabolic effect on patients with chronic diseases and muscle catabolism. We recommend that AAS can be used for the treatment of patients with acquired immunodeficiency syndrome wasting and in severely catabolic patients with severe burns. Preliminary data in renal failure-associated wasting are also positive. Advantages and disadvantages should be weighed carefully when comparing AAS therapy to other weight-gaining measures. Although a conservative approach to the use of AAS in patients with chronic diseases is still recommended, the utility of AAS therapy in the attenuation of severe weight loss associated with disease states such as cancer, postoperative recovery, and wasting due to pulmonary and hepatic disease should be more thoroughly investigated.