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Vaunz
10-01-2002, 11:25 AM
I know that tylenol is bad for the liver but I'm getting IP Vikes today and they're only 2.5mg each so I'll have to take 20 or so.....but should I take 2 tylenols with them? If tylenol is necessary why would the manufacturers not include it in the product to help maximize effect? I've been wondering about this for awhile now....anyone have any insight?

madchemist36
10-01-2002, 11:35 AM
bump this

shokjosh456
10-01-2002, 12:03 PM
Depends on your tolerance.I use to mix hydrocodone and codiene to get a more high effect only cuz I didnt have enough hydro.If you really want some advice.Stay off them.Im detoxing from hydros as we speak....it hurts when your body gets used to it and then you dont have it.But I was at a 22 pills(10mg's) a d ay habit.I'd take 12 at first then 5 and 5 to keep it level.Im hurting right now.The pains hard to explain.Like a fever achiness all through your body.Plus it makes you very irritable.almost lost my marriage due to hydros

shokjosh456
10-01-2002, 12:05 PM
are his hydros authentic hydrocodone?I would think his stuff would be poor quality

Vaunz
10-01-2002, 12:13 PM
My boy received them yesterday and say they're stamped and not packed tight so he doesn't think IP made them, which is good. Regarding the detoxing....I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic and I've detoxed from heroin and methadone at the same time several times and even in jail cold turkey too. So I'm familiar with the pain, but the meds are NOTHING close to what I went through and I really shouldn't be messing with the meds but with 4 years clean now, I'm just enjoying myself a bit......

If anyone else has any feedback on whether or not I need to take tylenol with the hydro, let me know.

Mrdummy
10-01-2002, 01:30 PM
hahahah
I just got 60 es vics from dr yesterday

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm VICODIN

:D

shokjosh456
10-01-2002, 02:16 PM
If thats the case....I would :D

46and2aheadofme
10-01-2002, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by shokjosh456
are his hydros authentic hydrocodone?I would think his stuff would be poor quality

They're not made by him, and they seem to be accurately dosed. But they are small (2.5mg) so it seems like you have to take a lot. Vaunz has an expensive tolerance level.... only takes about 6 to give me a decent buzz. An interesting product to experiment with yourself, but none of your friends will be interested in them because they're used to taking the big vikes and taking 6 tabs weirds them out. That's my experience anyway.

By the way, I was taking them for my... um... back, not recreationally :)
(Just covering my ass b/c I think rec. drug talk is frowned upon in most anabolic forums)

Kiss
10-01-2002, 08:41 PM
Holy Christ, I take two of those things and I'm flying.

Vaunz, if I'm not mistaken Vicodins have tylenol in them. :D

46and2aheadofme
10-01-2002, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by Kiss
Holy Christ, I take two of those things and I'm flying.

Vaunz, if I'm not mistaken Vicodins have tylenol in them. :D

For US pharmaceutical vikes, you're right. But that's not the kind he has. They are pure hydrocodone, 2.5mg ea.

shokjosh456
10-01-2002, 09:16 PM
Oh!If its just tylenol,then no.I thought you were talking tylenol with codiene.codiene and
Hydrocodone are different compounds,even though they are both opiates and in the same family,they have different effects...they are similar.The tylenol in hydro is just added for extra pain relief so all the pain wont be taken away from just hydrocodone.Although,I can say that I have taken norco(hydrocodone 10mg/325 tylenol) and I didnt get as good of a buzz as from lorcet (10mg hydrocodone/650mg tylenol).Maybe the tylenol thins the blood or something to get a better rush???dont know.

(now oxycodone is more related to hydrocodone than codiene...but they are compounds of each other )

46and2aheadofme
10-02-2002, 12:01 AM
Originally posted by shokjosh456
Oh!If its just tylenol,then no.I thought you were talking tylenol with codiene.codiene and tylenol are different compounds,even though they are both opiates and in the same family,they have different effects...they are similar.The tylenol in hydro is just added for extra pain relief so all the pain wont be taken away from just hydrocodone.Although,I can say that I have taken norco(hydrocodone 10mg/325 tylenol) and I didnt get as good of a buzz as from lorcet (10mg hydrocodone/650mg tylenol).Maybe the tylenol thins the blood or something to get a better rush???dont know.

Whoa.
I love ya buddy but have to correct you here, I think you probably just typed too fast...
1. Vaunz has 2.5mg IP hydrocodones with nothing else in them
2. Codeine and hydrocodone are opiates, but tylenol (acetaminophen) is NOT.
3. There is no tylenol in hydrocodone, but there is tylenol and hydrocodone in Vicodin - that combo is what makes it Vicodin.

Anyways you probably knew all that just wanted to make sure the thread had the right info in it when it goes to the archives....

Vaunz - I don't know if there's a clinical answer your question because I don't think there's many studies done on what gives you a better buzz, LOL, I think you/we should just experiment and find out for ourselves... speaking of which my back kinda hurts again tonight, better break out the case... :D

johnnyboy845
10-02-2002, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Vaunz
My boy received them yesterday and say they're stamped and not packed tight so he doesn't think IP made them, which is good. Regarding the detoxing....I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic and I've detoxed from heroin and methadone at the same time several times and even in jail cold turkey too. So I'm familiar with the pain, but the meds are NOTHING close to what I went through and I really shouldn't be messing with the meds but with 4 years clean now, I'm just enjoying myself a bit......

If anyone else has any feedback on whether or not I need to take tylenol with the hydro, let me know.

Another recovering alcholic/addict here.. sober 6 years just be carefull with the sh*t or you will be back to square one.. Been there done that

shokjosh456
10-02-2002, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by 46and2aheadofme


Whoa.
I love ya buddy but have to correct you here, I think you probably just typed too fast...
1. Vaunz has 2.5mg IP hydrocodones with nothing else in them
2. Codeine and hydrocodone are opiates, but tylenol (acetaminophen) is NOT.
3. There is no tylenol in hydrocodone, but there is tylenol and hydrocodone in Vicodin - that combo is what makes it Vicodin.

Anyways you probably knew all that just wanted to make sure the thread had the right info in it when it goes to the archives....

Vaunz - I don't know if there's a clinical answer your question because I don't think there's many studies done on what gives you a better buzz, LOL, I think you/we should just experiment and find out for ourselves... speaking of which my back kinda hurts again tonight, better break out the case... :D


Yes I did....my bad :D I edited it

shokjosh456
10-02-2002, 01:13 AM
also here is a good link about opiates like hydro,oxy,codiene
http://www.erowid.org/index.shtml

46and2aheadofme
10-02-2002, 02:22 AM
Yeah, erowid is a GREAT site, a mountain of information, you can just keep reading for days and days there.
www.rxlist.com is a good one too, has all info on pharmaceuticals including chemical makeup, normal adult dosages, and overdose red zones.
I agree it's best to stay away from pain killers, but if you must, make sure you do your homework and know what EXACTLY you're taking and how much. And don't combine them with alcohol or other opiates or barbituates, that's when bad things happen.
K, I'm done preaching for now. Go check out www.rxlist.com it's cool for figuring out what all those weird things are on your international source's list...

BiggerStronger
10-02-2002, 04:48 PM
Has anyone here taken methadone? I have and it's kinda a weird buzz. A bit different than vikes. It's strong though.

Kiss
10-04-2002, 02:16 AM
Are the Ip 2.5mg Vikes small, round, white, tabs with no writing on either side?

superchicken
10-04-2002, 04:04 AM
no

notacow
10-04-2002, 05:56 AM
uh, no.

In the jargon of some, mixing drugs to enchance the effect, is know as 'stacking'. :D :D :D (eg. Vicodin contains hydorcodone and tylenol.)

This is when: "The combination is more effective than the equivalent amount of any single ingredient." :D :D :D (ever heard of that ?)

Mrdummy
10-04-2002, 04:22 PM
Damn I just freebase mine

:D

LOL

Canadian
10-07-2002, 09:28 AM
Anyone...I've got killer migraines and I can't take imitrex, maxalt, zomig etc. I'd like to try the ip vics. Any canadian bros: canadian1@hushmail.com.

Laters,

C.

Vaunz
10-07-2002, 11:53 AM
Email me at vaunz@cyber-rights.net.

violator
10-08-2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by shokjosh456
Depends on your tolerance.I use to mix hydrocodone and codiene to get a more high effect only cuz I didnt have enough hydro.If you really want some advice.Stay off them.Im detoxing from hydros as we speak....it hurts when your body gets used to it and then you dont have it.But I was at a 22 pills(10mg's) a d ay habit.I'd take 12 at first then 5 and 5 to keep it level.Im hurting right now.The pains hard to explain.Like a fever achiness all through your body.Plus it makes you very irritable.almost lost my marriage due to hydros

man how did your stomach handle all that acetametophen? 22 10mg pills a day? thats like 22x650mgs of acetametophen. thats unreal. my stomach hurts just thinking about it.

superchicken
10-08-2002, 09:43 PM
i was doing 10-15 a night and drinking 10+ beers for a few weekends. yes i eneded up in the hospital eventually.

46and2aheadofme
10-08-2002, 09:57 PM
:eek:

method5757
12-09-2004, 07:24 PM
ok..hydrocodone (vicodin, vicodin es, vicodin hp, loracet, ect) are all pretty decent painkillers...personally, i like to stray away from the hydrocodone and mess around with oxycodone (percocet, oxycontin). in my opinion, oxycodone is a more powerful and longer lasting narcotic pain killer. I'll take 4, 5 miligram vicodins and be high for about an hour or and hour and a half...On the other hand, i'll take 4, 5 milligram percocets and be high for about double the ammount. and if i take an oxycontin then forget it, i'll be high for at least 3 to 4 hours. and i actually rather enjoy the come-down from oxycodone. I feel loose, tingly, and i can pass out at ne moment that i want. my pill of choice ovbiously are percocet 7.5s. street value in my hometown is 5 dollars a piece, and oddly enough for a percocet 10 its ten bucks a pill! i like the drug for its effects, and also on my days off from skool or work to just sit on the couch, pop some perks and relax..Tonight actually, i will be gettin a whole perscription of 5 mil. vicodin absolutly free! im real hype about that, you cant argue with free. turns that a guy i work with at UPS was perscribed to them for his back. He took 1 and got sick, so he never touched them again, so hes just gona give them to me. a script of 60 vikes for nothing. i'll be set for a good while. Ive been poppin these badboys for years so ne questions anybody has about them jus pass them down i'll be happy to answer. until then, steady poppin.

crank
12-09-2004, 07:30 PM
What's wrong with smoking a little pot instead?

A lot safer than popping pills.......

skinny23
12-11-2004, 01:34 AM
Acetaminophen- the active compound in plain old Tylenol- can damage the liver in high doesages.
Acetaminophen works synergistically with opiates and is often combined with the codeine-type drugs that most people are familiar with (Vicodin, etc.). Remember that when you start to get a tolerance going to the opiates and need to take more pills for the same effect, you're ingesting much more acetaminophen too. At a certain point, you can overwhelm the enzymes in your liver that break it down and damaging levels of more toxic acetaminophen metabolites build up. There are many deaths or liver transplants every year in the US from Tylenol alone. Drinking alcohol on top of that ups the danger even more. And gear too? Ouch!

There's a version of Darvocet (a mild opiate) that does not contain any acetaminophen that you might want to get a hold of. I *think* its called Davocet-N-- tho I'm not at all sure. Ask your doctor (yeah, right...) Even better- stay away from all them pills if you're trying to get big and strong and healthy!

SK23