Liquidex question

Right now, I am on the following cycle:

hGH for 3 mos
Clen 12 weeks 2c
T3 6 weeks (up to 3 ed)
Sust 250 12 weeks 1x week
Nolva 12 weeks 20mg / ed
Chlomid or HCG at the end of the cycle

I just finished 40 days of tren/sust/deca/a-bomb

This is about my seventh cycle in the last four years and the only problem I've ever experienced is gyno and some numbness in the hands (the numbness started during my last hGH cycle two years ago).

I have some gyno starting up again, and the nolva doesn't seem to be doing the trick. I am about to get some Liquidex, but I came by a cite on the net.

"3rd generation Anti-E's

Everyone by now has heard of Arimidex/Liquidex(ie anastrozole) but there are a couple others with slightly better estrogen suppression values as well as slight differences in the way they affect the endocrine system.

The other two 3rd generation Anti-e's are letrozole(femara) and exemestane(aromasin). Letrozole and anastrozole are aromatase inhibitors while exemestane is considered an aromatase inactivator.

While all of these seem to exert an effect on our LH/FSH levels, some also have an effect on IGF-1 levels as well. According to some studies for example, anastrzole was shown to reduce IGF-1 levels by 18%(note 1), which is likely due to reduced estrogen. Another abstract shows that letrozole actually increased IGF-1 levels by an average of 24%(note 2). "

Any validity to this? Will the Liquidex adversely effect my IGF-1 levels like letrozole and anastrzole (which works counter to the hGH as far as I know).

A secondary question, I read that using Clen and T3 while on hGH was adviseable, and that I should run some sort of test while on hGH. Your thoughts on this? (I think that I read this in Presser's post on hGH in the AS descriptions).

Anyway, obviously I have a lot of questions. MC is the first board that I've joined, and my conversations on AS have been limited to just a few guys in the gym.

BTW, I am 6'6", 292, and my next cycle will be a hardcore cutting cycle, so I'll be asking about that in a while.

TIA

Welcome to the board! Run the liquidex...I've been using it and have no complaints (except for some headaches about 8 weeks in) but it's worked well against gyno and bloat and my gains have been great. Don't know if there's truth to your article. Never tried the others. The nolv/ldex combo should be good enough.

I've never done HgH, but I'm interested to hear...tell me what you think of it. And you should post some pics.

PS - Thank you for the welcome. Seems to be a great group of guys and women on the board. Re: the hGH . . . two words - DO IT!! This is my second hGH cycle, and both times, it helps me break through to a new level. If I had the ca$h, I'd do it year round in combination with AS as necessary. Most information suggests, and I agree, that a bare minimum hGH run should be three months to see good results.

Let me know if you have any specific questions about hGH and I'll be happy to answer them, though by the looks of it, some people on the board can give you better technical and cycle information than I can. All I know is that it really works for me (I've heard that results vary from person to person). Last time I did it in combination with slin, which also had good results. I might get some slin and work it in this time as well. Still trying to decide.

I'll see what I can do about getting some photos . . . I had a sweet digicam which was stolen when my car was broken into 2 mos ago (the f*cker -- wished I had caught him in the act).

--bg

first of all, welcome neighbor. i live in the bay near you.

the gyno symptoms your experience are likely due to progesterone or prolactin. your taking aboms, fina and deca, all 3 of these dont cause estrogen gyno, so they cant be fought off with anti estrogens.

get some bromocriptine asap, thats about your only chance if the symtoms persist even though youve ended your cycle.

keep taking nolva as nolva lowers IGF-1 and that helps with your gyno situaution.

do a few searches for deca gyno, and fina gyno, and prolactin to learn more about your gyno smptoms.

as for that atricle, thats not 100% sure on those figues for igf-1. ive seen studies where liquidex lowers igf1 and other where it doesnt. also seen where femara raises it or doesnt affect it.

its kinda hard to say what effect it will have on a bodybuilder taking supplemental hormones as opposed to reg non juicing test subjects.

just about everyone used ldex as the preferred anti e now, and ive heard very few say they thought it cut into their mass gains from lower igf1.

sc - thanks for your input. I ordered the Bromocriptine and should have it in 5-7 days. Any input on dosage levels? I'll hit up the research you recommended. Hey, if you are not too far away in the Bay Area, maybe we can work out sometime. Same goes for anyone else in the area.

-- bg

bigguy welcome abaord bromo 2.5 mgs half in the am half in the pm.

Welcome aboard! Superchicken covered some ggod stuff.

Well, I am running sust250, and I guess I'll take the advice of my new bros and run the slin. However, last time I ran it was about 2.5 years ago, so I've forgotton the doseage levels, times, etc. I know I need type R, but what were the doseage levels and times per day? I recall that I would slam a carb and a protein shake right after I used the slin.

I also have to get the slin. I had a friend who gave it to me last time. I am in CA, and I understand that the law requires that if I walk into a pharmacy and ask for insulin, they have to give it to me without a scrip. Any other suggestions on how/where I can get it? Can I get it online anywhere without a scrip?

tia - bg