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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
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    The material posted here and on any sites (if any) linked from this post is for general informational purposes only, and is not medical advice nor intended to promote or support the taking of anabolic/androgenic steroids or other drugs. The author does not advocate, encourage or recommend the use of anabolic/androgenic steroids or other pharmaceuticals in sports.

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    1) What is HCG?
    HCG stands for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

    2) Where does HCG come from?
    It is extracted from the urine of pregnant women.

    3) Is HCG a scheduled medication?
    No, it's similar to clomid and Liquidex as far as US laws go. However you would need a prescription to purchase legally in the US.

    4) What is HCG normally used for?
    It is used to help females get pregnant, and can be used to stimulate testosterone production in males. Helps keep muscle gains made from steroid cycle. Usually taken with IGF-1 lr3 to help solidify gains made. The combination of HCG with IGF-1 lr3 will help users stay full, lean and vascular. Perfect combination to keep from shrinking and losing gains.

    4a) What else can or should I take with HCG?
    If taken for Post Cycle Therapy, then a protocol of clomid and HCG is highly suggested.

    4b) If your using HCG throughout your steroid or hormone cycle, you can run it alongside your aromatase inhibitors, (arimidex, aromasin, letrozole, cabergoline etc..)

    5) How does HCG work?
    HCG mimics LH (leutenizing hormone). The presence of LH causes the Leydig cells in the gonads to produce testosterone. This effect also restores the size of the testes rather quickly if they were suppressed from a cycle.

    6) What should HCG be used for?

    HCG is commonly used by bodybuilders on either very heavy or very long cycles, when the HPTA gets severely suppressed. Although HCG can be used in almost any cycle, the benefits are most pronounced on heavy/long ones.

    7) How do you take it?
    You can take it IM or Sub-q.

    8) Can I use HCG only for PCT?
    No you shouldn't. It is better than nothing, but clomid or Nolva are far better plans. Since HCG mimics LH, your body won't begin producing its own LH, as it sees no need to because test levels are high. You stop the HCG, your balls stop making test until your body begins producing adequate levels of its own LH, and that may take a while if you don't use clomid or nolvadex to stimulate LH production. The use of clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after HCG is discontinued to avoid the v causing problems.

    9) Can I use HCG during cycle and when?
    Yes you can, imo to best benefit from HCG is to run it by the last 3-4 weeks of your steroid cycle. Do not run HCG if you're getting signs of gyno, HCG will make it worst, so be careful.

    10) How much HCG is needed during cycle and/or PCT?
    For PCT a minimum of 10,000 IU's HCG is needed. When you have a proper PCT planned with a serm and an AI, and you want to run HCG during the last 4 weeks of your cycle, then you might only need 5,000iu's.
    An anti-estrogen (Nolva, etc.) is to be used with HCG during your last 4 weeks of cycle.

    11) What dose do you run HCG at?
    HCG is best dosed at 500 IU and/or 1000iu, more than that can cause too much aromatization, and some people won't react to less than 500iu. So during the last 4 weeks of a cycle, you shoot 500 IU of HCG twice a week or 1000 IU once a week. For PCT, 500 IU ED or 1000 IU EOD.

    12) Can HCG be used w/out steroids to boost test production above baseline?
    Yes. It is not recommended however. Continued use of HCG will desensitize the leydig cells to LH, meaning once you stop using the HCG as an artificial LH, you will crash bad. The natural LH production once restored by using nolvadex or clomid, may not be as effective as it once was. To boost natural test above baseline, anastrozole, nolvadex and clomid are better choices.


    13) How long does HCG boost testosterone for?
    HCG can boost testosterone for up to 5 days following the last dose, although the drugs half-life is very short, and it's no longer active at that point.

    14) Can HCG cause gyno?
    Yes. Estrogen is elevated by two ways from HCG use. Primarily from the sharp rise in testosterone, which allows more testosterone to aromatize to estrogen. Secondly HCG can cause a small amount of estrogen to be produced which is not from the result of aromatizing, and this is the reason that a combination of an anti aromatize such as liquidex/arimidex/letrozole and a estrogen receptor blocker such as nolvadex are ideally used. The nolvadex may also offer some additional benefit to help avoid a negative estrogen feedback to the HPTA during HCG therapy, which would otherwise slightly lessen the effectiveness of the therapy.

    15) How does HCG come packaged?
    You get 2 vials or amps, 1 has the powdered HCG in it, and the other has a diluent in it(solvent). The diluent is typically bacteriostatic water, or sterile water w/ .09% sodium chloride. ***ending on the brand and version, the package commonly comes w/ enough diluents to make concentrations ranging from 250-10,000 IU per ml.

    If your package is 5000 IU, and you add 1ml diluents, you have 5000 IU per ml.
    If you add 5ml diluents, you final mix is then 1000 IU per ml.
    If you add 10ml diluents, then 500 IU per ml and so on.

    This is simple math, and you don't want to screw it up, know what dose you are taking!

    If your package doesn't include enough diluent to make the concentration you want, you have 2 options to make it easy to accurately measure your doses.

    1-buy some insulin syringes, U-100 type. On the graduated markings, the 100 IU mark is equal to 1ml; the 50 IU is .5ml etc. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IF YOU FILL IT TO THE 100IU MARK THAT YOU ARE TAKING 100IU OF HCG! IU's are not a measurement of volume or weight; they are a measure of effectiveness for a desired response from specific drugs/compounds. Every compound is different. These are insulin syringes, and they are made for insulin-not HCG. Insulin is the same iu concentration per ml every time(if its u100 type), HCG is not. Imagine if you made your HCG 10,000 IU per ml. if you fill the insulin syringe up to 100 IU mark, you now have 10,000 IU in there! Not good. You must understand this.
    So if you had 5000 IU per ml, and wanted to take a 500 IU shot, you would inject 10 IU on the insulin syringe scale.

    2-buy some bacteriostatic water off the internet, its easily found. Simply add more to dilute it to the desired concentration. Making lower concentrations are easier and more accurately dosed. Then it can accurately be measured w/ a regular syringe.

    Mix the two together, they dissolve very easily. HCG can be very unstable and to make sure to not shake it and let it foam.... Be careful when reconstituting it . Be gentle and run the bac water down the side of the vial not allowing to foam up... Keep things sterile folks. Unused HCG can be refrigerated and is ok to use within 30 days after the initial mixing.

    Remember: Store HCG at controlled room temperature (59***1570; to 86***1570;F)(15***1570; to 30***1570;C). After reconstituting store in refrigerator (36***1570; to 46***1570;F) (2***1570; to 8***1570;C).

    Absorption
    A detectable rise in HCG is seen in 2 h; peak levels are reached in 6 h and remain at this level for 36 h.

    Elimination
    HCG levels begin to decline at 48h and approach baseline at 72h.

    HCG Preparation & Usage:

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    This is how to properly prepare 5000 ius hcg for a ten week supply.
    Hcg is a peptide. That means it is a large complex molecule, that is held together by verry weak carbon bonds at points throughout its structure, and that means it is sensitive to shock, light , freezing, and heat.
    It is therefore imperitive that it is handled delicately throughout the preparation process, as well as after.
    Before proceding, pick a clean ,dry, well lit work area, and sterilise as best you can. Also use laboratory gloves.

    1) Purchase empty 10 ml vial, and 30mls bacwater
    2) Crack both single use vials suplied with hcg kit
    3) Using slin pin, draw up 1 ml suplied bacwater
    4) SLOWLY run the 1ml bacwater down the side of the crack-top containing the lypholised hcg powder.
    5) Allow to mix on its own
    6) Add 9 mls bacwater to stoppered empty vial with IM pin "3x3ml's"
    7) SLOWLY draw up the 1ml HCG solution
    8) Insert loaded slin pin into 10ml vial containing bacwater.
    9) Invert 10ml vial enough to submerge needle, and SLOWLY push the plunger.
    10) SLOWLY pull plunger back out, and push in again, to "rinse".
    11) Withdraw slin pin, and discard.
    12) Refrigerate finished product.


    You now have 10 mls HCG dosed at 500 iu/ml
    Assuming you will be using 250 IU 2x weekly, that's a 10 week supply.
    To use, simply read the sticky titled injection guide. With one big exception. HCG is injected Sub-Cutaneously (below the skin) with an insulin needle(u-100).A u-1oo needle is designed specifically for insulin dosing. But for our purposes,- 1/2 the syringe-the hash mark designated 50 equals 1/2 ml which, assuming you followed the instructions above, equals 250 iu's
    Once you've SLOWLY (remember, HCG is shock sensitive) drawn up the desired dose. Set the pin down with the needle hanging over the edge of whatever surface you are using. Find a spot on your legs or abdomen you can reach with both hands, and pinch up 1/2 inch of skin. Prepare site with alcohol. We'll use a spot 1 inch to the right of the navel. Assuming you are right handed, pinch the skin with your left hand. Re-swab the raised spot to the right of your fingers. Pick up the pin and stick it in. push the plunger. Withdraw and discard. EASY RIGHT?

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    BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

    Calculating HCG:

    There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's quite simple. If you dilute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the concentration of HCG per ampoule orvial.

    Mixing HCG:
    (Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml empty vials-get****).

    1) Open HCG/amp with powder
    2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG
    3) It will instantly dissolve
    4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the vial
    5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial
    6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG
    7) Than draw 1cc and inject
    8) put the rest in the refrigerator

    •The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s why you need Bac H2o.
    •The most common side effect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and continues the stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has been discontinued.
    •HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the solvent it comes with.
    •You can keep the mixed HCG in vial or pins In the fridge till use.
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    bump i like to use IGF 1 lr3 during cycle as well as post cycle. Helps keep your gains, muscle belies full while the HCG gets your natural tesosterone production flowing again so to speak.
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    I have used HCG post cycle with IGF-1 lr3 and was able to keep all of my gains. I lost some strength, but as far as the muscle gains i made, i was able to keep them with this IGF-1 and HCG combination! I figured since IGF worked so well during my cycle why not use it during PCT and I am glad I did! Great read

    I dont work for them and dont get kick backs but anyone who is serious about holding on to their gains, they should check out www.musclechemadvancedsupps.com and their igf-1 lr3 whether on cycle or off, and pertaining to this threads topic, it works wonders with HCG
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    Good info bump
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    Yeah I've read a lot of people get big swollen lumps going IM initially so I just go subq. I never went IM. Could have just been the peps the guy was using.
     

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    Mr. Presser,

    Its a great post. But there's something that I am not totally clear about. I just want to make sure before I make a mistake.
    I am doing a short and mild cycle, do I NEED to use HCG for PCT? I am planning to use it for my last 3 weeks on cycle. And for PCT I was planning Nolva.

    What do you recommend?


    Thank you very much,

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    Whats the short cycle of and how short ? It's all relative to a better andwer
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    Mr. Presser,

    The cycle is Primo 500mg per week for 10 weeks, and the first three weeks Adrol 50mg ED.

    Thank you again!

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    yeah it will be a good idea to have the pct on hand brutha! i don't think you'll need to run hcg for such short cycle, but i would have the anti-estrogens and anti-progesterones on hand always


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    I just got sum hcg in and want to try it for the first time since my last cycle was so long I didnt have a clue how to mix the two together so BIG THANKS TO U PRESSER.
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    copied to articles forum, good hcg info
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    Hello Mr. Presser,

    Great read and easy to understand and helps alot

    However i got a question. I am a week into my first cycle fronting with 1000 mg testo E first week and will now continue with 500 Testo E e/w for 10 weeks. And i can already feel that my testicals have shrunken about 50-60% would you recommend to start HCG directly in a low dose or just disregard it for now and use it for the 4 last weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KwuaM View Post
    Hello Mr. Presser,

    Great read and easy to understand and helps alot

    However i got a question. I am a week into my first cycle fronting with 1000 mg testo E first week and will now continue with 500 Testo E e/w for 10 weeks. And i can already feel that my testicals have shrunken about 50-60% would you recommend to start HCG directly in a low dose or just disregard it for now and use it for the 4 last weeks?
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    making this a sticky as we get this question here daily
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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    How to Run HCG with Testosterone Enanthate , Dianabol Steroid stack.

    HCG is run side by side with steroids starting first week through 13th week of cycle at 500i.u.
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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    How to Run H.C.G. with Sustanon 250, Dianabol and Proviron Cycle.

    When to start HCG during steroid cycle.

    Start HCG at week 4 of cycle with dosage of 1,000iu per week with HCG injection of 500i.u. each on tuesday and Friday



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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    Basic HCG at the end of steroid cycle to jump start your natural Testosterone production again!

    This HCH protocol begins after a 12 week cycle of Test enanthate, Deca, and Dbol cycle with arimidex run at .5mg alongside entire cycle!




    Note HCG injections start week 12 the last shot of your testosterone enatate and HCG is run at 500 i.u every other day for 3 weeks



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    How , When, and where to Take H.C.G. for PCT (Post Steroid Cycle Therapy)

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    Presser,

    Great advice for HCG. What doses and length of time of HCG would you recommend for someone running Testosterone Enanthate:
    (First cycle using a clean bulk diet)
    W1: 0.5 cc
    W2: 1cc
    W3: 1.5
    W4: 2cc
    W5: 2cc
    W6: 1.5cc
    W7: 1cc
    W8: 0.5cc
    0.5mg Arimidex EOD week 1-8

    W11: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W12: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W13: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W14: 20mg nolvadex ED
    W15: 20mg nolvadex ED
    W16: 20mg nolvadex ED
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jam123 View Post
    Presser,

    Great advice for HCG. What doses and length of time of HCG would you recommend for someone running Testosterone Enanthate:
    (First cycle using a clean bulk diet)
    W1: 0.5 cc
    W2: 1cc
    W3: 1.5
    W4: 2cc
    W5: 2cc
    W6: 1.5cc
    W7: 1cc
    W8: 0.5cc
    0.5mg Arimidex EOD week 1-8

    W11: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W12: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W13: 40mg nolvadex ED
    W14: 20mg nolvadex ED
    W15: 20mg nolvadex ED
    W16: 20mg nolvadex ED
    thnx, and Im not real big into running your HCG throughout your steroid cycle, I think its best used alongside other pct meds at the end of your cycle.

    also not sure what week 1-8 is? what is .5/ and 1cc / etc...


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    I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
    As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

    W1: 50mg
    W2: 100mg
    W3: 150mg
    W4: 200mg
    W5: 200mg
    W6: 150mg
    W7: 100mg
    W8: 50mg

    Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

    Thanks brother
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jam123 View Post
    I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
    As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

    W1: 50mg
    W2: 100mg
    W3: 150mg
    W4: 200mg
    W5: 200mg
    W6: 150mg
    W7: 100mg
    W8: 50mg

    Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

    Thanks brother
    Truth b told I probably wouldn't use HCG in such a mild cycle but I'd still have it on along with nolvadex and clomiphene


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jam123 View Post
    I'm sure 1 cc is equivalent to 1 ml. But in mg for the Testosterone Enanthate:
    As you can see this is a very mild cycle but its my first!

    W1: 50mg
    W2: 100mg
    W3: 150mg
    W4: 200mg
    W5: 200mg
    W6: 150mg
    W7: 100mg
    W8: 50mg

    Is HCG in the PCT needed on such on mild cycle? Hows the Nolvadex PCT dosage?

    Thanks brother
    Hey Jam123, welcome to MuscleChemistry.
    Bump for how many MG per CC. Also 8 weeks seems short for a long acting ester even for your first cycle. IMO 12 would be a minimum for test e. Also... pyramiding dosages not optimal. Stick with 200mg - 300mg a week for 12 weeks. First cycle best cycle. Make sure when you say clean bulk you are taking in A LOT of calories. Quality protein (food), good carbs, good fats. Maybe a protein shake or 2 to supplement.
    My worst mistake my first cycle was not eating enough quality food. JUST MY OPINION, ENJOY!
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    Intramuscular Use of HCG versus subcutaneous (subq) injections


    Injecting HCG into the muscle

    Intramuscular use of HCG gets the drug into the plasma much quicker than the subcutaneous method. Also, much more of the drug is available at the action site (the leydig cells) at a given time. The advantage to this is a more potent activation of the cells if they have been suppressed to a greater extent.
    Intramuscular use of HCG can also be used as a quick jump-starter to allow a faster onset of recovery and stimulation of testosteorne. This is very useful if you are a seasoned user or one of our...ummm...permanent replacement individuals before permanent replacement age. You know, from your 20's to early 30's and never seem to go off. Yeah, if thats you, you probably want to go the intramuscular route because your leydig cells have had a long, deep, nap. More like a hibernation.
    "Theoretically", you could always use a large intramuscular dose of HCG to jump start the testis. Then follow up with smaller, more physiologic doses of HCG until you feel healthy and have recovery of your testosterone and testicular size.

    Injecting HCG Subcutaneous

    hCG is a peptide hormone similar to Growth Hormone and therefore can be administered under the skin with a small needle (subcutaneous), or in the muscle with a larger needle (intramuscular). Subcutaneous injections of drugs that can be used both under the skin and in the muscle differ in the speed of "onset of action". If you inject hCG subcutaneous, you will have a slower onset of action and it will last longer (longer half-life).
    If we inject subcutaneous we create a more time-release effect and a unique event called a 'biphasic' effect. hCG is always going to differ in behavior when compared to the body's own endogenous luteinizing hormone (LH). The level of testosterone stimulation is much greater with hCG mainly due to the larger physical size and hydrophilicity of the hCG molecule compared to the smaller more soluble and shorter acting LH. Our bodies tend to release natural LH (the hormone we are mimicking with HCG) every single day in small bursts. This type of hormone is called a circadian hormone meaning that it is regulated in pulses throughout a 24hr period. If we are trying to normalize our system, it makes sense to restore it using drugs in a method which allow the must "natural"/"normal" manner to do so. unfortunately hCG although very effective at wakening the leydig cells to produce testosterone, is a bit overkill.
    we have to take various ancillary drugs at specific times in order to make sure that the hCG does not become extremely unproductive by destroying the testosterone to estradiol (t:e2) ratio at a critical time. and there is no more critical time than post cycle AAS when it comes to the importance of precise T:E2 regulation. if you don't already know that hCG tends to raise estradiol as well if not better than it raises testosterone - and you have never gotten GYNO during PCR, you must be 1/8th Irish like me and have a little luck working in your favor. hCG is an estradiol beast. especially above specific threshold doses where lots and lots of studies on male hypogonadism and fertility back this up.
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    detailed info, i run hcg at pct 500iu/week
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Whiseley View Post
    detailed info, i run hcg at pct 500iu/week
    How exactly do you run your HCG during post cycle therapy?

    One 500 i.u. shot per week? Curious of your exact H.C.G. protocol


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    i just posted a great article on why hcg during cycle is far superior to using hcg post steroid cycle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    i just posted a great article on why hcg during cycle is far superior to using hcg post steroid cycle.
    Thank you for the information within this thread and forum. I am a noob (31) and have a couple questions.

    Every time I look for information on PCT's i get different information ( i understand information progresses of time). Even within this thread you stated that you don't run PCT till the end and toward the bottom you stated it is better to run HCG during. Some places I have read for HCG E3D (250/shot) and here I see you stated 500/week which I would assume would be broken down to 2 times per week, is that correct?

    Would you be so kind to help me with my first cycle, and honestly, I am not sure I even need HCG.. but I don't know? What do you think? I am only running test c 400 mg/week for 10 weeks.

    Weeks 1- 10 - 400 mg Test - split between 2 injects. Monday Morning and Thursday afternoons 200mg each inject.

    Week 14 and 15 - Nova 20mg/day
    Week 16 and 17 - Nova 10 mg/day

    Should I add clomid or take nova alone? haha I swear everywhere I go is something different and I am sorry for all the questions but I am trying to do this right. I have waited 4 years to even start!

    I have also read to start the PCT 2 weeks after last inject but I am not sure if that is accurate. Also, should I take arimidex daily throughout the entire cycle or only if I start to see problems? How much would you suggest on a smaller frame? 168 pounds.
     

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    Hello everyone here.
    So i've been planning to run my first cycle from around a week now, doing my research and everything i can.
    First of all cheers for setting up this thread, it has been amazingly helpful for first-timers like myself
    So here are my few concerns that i'd like anyone who is experienced to answer.
    I've been lifting for 3 years now gained around 30 lb lean mass so far and can't seem to grow further currently 5'8, 20 y.o
    I m planning on running a Test E and DBOL for Lean MASS.

    So I;ve planned out to run the whole thing for 8 weeks (This is my first cycle)

    So Test E 300mg once a week and Dbol 40mg a day every day for 8 weeks, also using Milk Thistle for Liver support. i am not sure if i should OR should not use HCG.
    With my cycle also what else should i be using ?

    PCT starts 1 week after last pin
    Nolva at 50mg everyday for 4 weeks
    Clomid at 20mg everyday for 4 weeks

    please let me know what else should i be knowing ?

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    Great info.
    May I ask why you don't recommend running HCG during Test E cycle? I thought it helps keep a little natural test production and maintaining testicle size during cycle?
     

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    i just posted a great article on why hcg during cycle is far superior to using hcg post steroid cycle.
    I'm confused! I read your previous post that said you're not a fan of HCG during a Test E cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahpraw View Post
    I'm confused! I read your previous post that said you're not a fan of HCG during a Test E cycle.
    that is correct! I also posted that this new article and new information has swayed my thinking, as I was never a Proponent of using HCG during your cycle, I always thought it wasn't all that important and you could recover just as easily when using HCG post cycle, however, my opinion changed after reading more new information on this.

    Now I havent tried using HCG during cycle to see if recovery is any better than it would be post cycle, and I likely never will use HCG again as I am prescribed for low testosterone levels and will likely be on Testosterone replacement therapy aka Hormone replacement therapy for the rest of my life and I am ok with that.


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    Lightbulb I have done half cycle not completley full means each different stacks 500mg means1500 mg and i left some gap due to sick again i planned to start

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    yeah it will be a good idea to have the pct on hand brutha! i don't think you'll need to run hcg for such short cycle, but i would have the anti-estrogens and anti-progesterones on hand always
    Hi sir i have a doubt i done half cycle not completly of 3 stacks combination of 1500 mg means 500 each again i stooped using due to sick i left 15 days gap again planning to start before that i need hcg ? I was taking tomaxcifin citrate daily 20mg

    wat is the use wen we take hcg in between cycles sir ?
     

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    Gday guys im new here, just a quiz, im an old school BB we didn't run things like HCG or PCT back in the early days so the majority of the gains got lost shortly after the course, i've been reading as much as i can (very conflicting) ,ive done a handful of courses over the past 40yrs the last 5 yrs ago my Dr said to take 5000iu HCG a week for 4 weeks when i came off that one ,i didn't feel it worked to well. im currently running a small course over 10 to 12 weeks of Sus 250 500ml a week and Tren A at 100ml a week ,2 shots a week, nothing to wild just looking to put some size back the ol muscles but acknowledging im no spring chicken ,so far slow good solid gains . i have 5000iu package of HCG and 30mls of bacwater i picked up couple of boxes Nolvadex , my Q is with what ive got how should i run it and when and what doses. cheers guys love this site so much great information.
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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    I dont use HGC because I'm on HRT. Opinions very greatly on HGC use but at least you know what doesn't work for you.

    I would try this HGC protocol Presser posted




    I hear good things about structuring your PCT like this.
     

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    I dont use HGC because I'm on HRT. Opinions very greatly on HGC use but at least you know what doesn't work for you.

    I would try this HGC protocol Presser posted




    I hear good things about structuring your PCT like this.

    Cheers ill give this go i got HCG a bit late like week 6.
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    I saw a post of a scheduled cycle with someone using 20mg a day of nolvadex for gyno on cycle. I will use nolvadex in conjunction with an AI but you need to look at nolvadex half life. Its long, I can't remember exactly but its very long so you don't need nolvadex daily for gunk purposes 2 to 3 days a week on cycle is more than enough nolvadex to prevent gyno or block estro from attaching at the receptor site but its use on cycle is much different than in pct. I always prefer toremifene to any SERM but I will use nolvadex because I have gyno, don't be fooled once you have it you always have it but I have been able to maintain mine to the size of a bb. One thing to keep in mind if using hcg on cycle which one done plenty of times, hcg will cause estro to be produced in the gonads and its not effected by an AI so over use during a cycle will cause an abundance of estro that's not effected by an ai, I don't have time to explain it all and type all the details to it and maybe it was covered in a post by presser but also remember the half life of nolva so on cycle use for gyno is great but you do not need to dose it daily it can lead to blood clots so be smart remember to check half life's of everything and be safe

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    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    its 5 days for Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) and yes bodybuilders who are trying to control or better used for eliminating gyno related issues usually tend to take this drug daily. I will explain more on Nolvadex in another reply and for the record so everyone understands how half-lives work, i will make a new thread on it, and go drug by drug (pct drugs , serms) and give values of drug left after each half-life. And i might as well leave a quick run down in this thread of what "half life" meanes:




    HALF-LIFE Translation : "Time it takes for the plasma concentration or the amount of drug in the body to be reduced by 50%."

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    By definition, the plasma concentration of a drug is halved after one elimination half-life. Therefore, in each succeeding half-life, less drug is eliminated. After one half-life the amount of drug remaining in the body is 50% after two half-lives 25%, etc. After 4 half-lives the amount of drug (6.25%) is considered to be negligible regarding its therapeutic effects.

    The half-life of a drug depends on its clearance and volume of distribution. The elimination half-life is considered to be independent of the amount of drug in the body.

    Clinical implications

    Half-life determines the length of the drug effect.

    It also indicates whether accumulation of the drug will occur under a multiple dosage regimen and it is essential to decide on the appropriate dosing interval.

    Related termsElimination rate constant (λ): Fractional rate of drug removal from the body. This rate is constant in first-order kinetics and is independent of drug concentration in the body. λ is the slope of the plasma concentration-time line (on a logarithmic y scale).

    Apparent half-life (t1/2):

    In some cases, such as for controlled-release preparations, the rate of decline of the drug plasma concentration is not due to elimination alone. Other factors such as absorption rate or distribution rate influence plasma concentration decay.

    In such conditions, the observed half-life is called apparent half-life.

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    Vd = volume of distribution
    CL = clearance
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    So no one has questions? Everyone Understands the half life of Tamoxifen aka Nolvadex is 5 days, and gets why we take it daily at 40mg daily to start with.

    Shit, i didnt understand when i first seen the half life of nolvadex was 5 days lmao. You guys must be way smarter than ole pressy poo (thats me Presser) lol


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    Hi!

    I would like to run my first cycle, and I am a bit unsure on what to do. There is lots of conflicting info online to be found, and my thinking is better safe than sorry. So before I even put my fingers on it, I would appreciate your feedback. So here it is:

    Week Dianabol TestE Nolva Clomid
    1 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    2 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    3 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    4 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    5 500 mg/week
    6 500 mg/week
    7 500 mg/week
    8 500 mg/week
    9 500 mg/week
    10 500 mg/week
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    13 40 mg/day 75 mg/day
    14 20mg/day 50 mg/day
    15 20mg/day 50 mg/day
    16 20mg/day 50 mg/day

    I will have Aromasin handy to take in case I feel funny nipples. Aromasin has a better pharmacological profile than Arimidex, so I prefer that. Please could you suggest how and when to use HCG in such a cycle, and generally give me your impressions on the cycle itself?

    Thanks a lot!!
     

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    Hi!

    I would like to run my first cycle, and I am a bit unsure on what to do. There is lots of conflicting info online to be found, and my thinking is better safe than sorry. So before I even put my fingers on it, I would appreciate your feedback. So here it is:

    Week Dianabol TestE Nolva Clomid
    1 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    2 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    3 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    4 20 mg/day 500 mg/week
    5 500 mg/week
    6 500 mg/week
    7 500 mg/week
    8 500 mg/week
    9 500 mg/week
    10 500 mg/week
    11 Pause
    12
    13 40 mg/day 75 mg/day
    14 20mg/day 50 mg/day
    15 20mg/day 50 mg/day
    16 20mg/day 50 mg/day

    I will have Aromasin handy to take in case I feel funny nipples. Aromasin has a better pharmacological profile than Arimidex, so I prefer that. Please could you suggest how and when to use HCG in such a cycle, and generally give me your impressions on the cycle itself?

    Thanks a lot!!
    U may wanna put your dbol at 40 a day 1-4
    Test 500 good for first
    U will need an ai or small dose of Nolva during cycle
    On pct do Nolva 40 week 1-2
    And 20 3-4
    Clomid as high as u can handle 1-2
    About 100mg
    Then 50 week 3-4




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    Ok u have Aromasin. Run it about eod. I will be honest I never used Aromasin. But someone will chim in soon.
    Hcg I never used but u wanna use it one to two times a week but not a couple weeks before pct.
    There is a sticky on here on hcg I will see if I can bump it for u

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    Hcg is already been bumped

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