drtbear1967

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Genetic Manipulation

The article below is not intended to be racist in any way; it is merely a discussion about genetics’, genetic manipulation and human intervention.

In body building we are always hearing about genetics and how they play a huge role in going from a contender to being an IFBB champion. Genetics plays a huge part in the size, shape, and potential size of the muscle, but you have to put in the work. You can be loaded with potential and if you are too lazy to work for it, you will get nothing. In the animal kingdom, we see the role of genetics played out daily, how the genetic potential is manipulated to produce the best specimen possible. Therefore, I want to give a few examples and hope to at least make people think outside of the box when having discussions about genetics.

Having spent the majority of my youth on a farm and around big time farmers both dairy and beef producers, you learn very quickly how genetics can have a huge impact on the bottom line. In the dairy business, the money is generated by the amount of milk that a cow can produce on a daily basis. The cow is the primary holder of the genetic material as you want to breed the best producing cow, with the bull that produce more female than male calves. Those cows that do not produce as much are often culled or sold for slaughter. So in the dairy world, we look at the female as having the genetic material that we want to reproduce.

In the beef industry what a farmer wants is a meaty cow to be able to produce predominantly male calves that puts on muscle very fast so that they can be sold within 6 to 9months. It is best if the calves are small at birth, so as to increase the chance of an easy birth, which will help to keep the cow healthy and strong for years to come. So, we need to look at the genetic of the bull/male. You want a long lean bull, with a flat back, thickly muscled and a good temperament can also play a huge part. When you are dealing with an animal that is 1000 to 1500 pound, you don’t really want him to be mad and pissed off all the time. You also want him to have more male calves that female as the male calves are primarily what are sold for beef.

Many farms also use artificial Insemination for their farms. They buy semen from some of the best bulls in the nation and add that bloodline into their herd. This is a way to continue to improve the heard, both in the dairy and in the beef farms without having to spend a great deal of money for a head sire /Bull

So that is a little run down on how you can see genetics at work on a farm. Now I want you to think about how we have seen this same scenario played out across the world in the human kingdom.

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life
is a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein and political scientist Charles Murray, in which the authors argue that human intelligence is substantially influenced by both inherited and environmental factors and is a better predictor of many personal dynamics, including financial income, job performance, birth out of wedlock, and involvement in crime than are an individual's parental socioeconomic status. They also argue that those with high intelligence, the "cognitive elite", are becoming separated from those of average and below-average intelligence. The book was controversial, especially where the authors wrote about racial differences in intelligence and discussed the implications of those differences. This was an example of intelligence and both genetic and environmental factors. Many of the arguments put forth by the authors were controversial, ranging from the relationships between low measured intelligence and anti-social behavior, to a genetic component of the low observed test scores for African-American(compared with whites). There were a plethora of authors that came out and disputed the research and actual did their own research on the topic, however without the bell curve, there may not have been discussion at all.

We have also seen the negative side of trying to manipulate genetics. Adolf Hitler had praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf in 1925 and emulated eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States once he took power.[SUP][42][/SUP]Some common early 20th century eugenics methods involved identifying and classifying individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals, and racial groups (such as the Roma and Jews in Nazi Germany) as"degenerate" or "unfit", leading to their segregation or institutionalization, sterilization, euthanasia, and even their mass murder.[SUP][43][/SUP]The Nazi practice of euthanasia was carried out on hospital patients in the Aktion T4 centers such as Hartheim Castle.

By the end of
World War II, many discriminatory eugenics laws were abandoned, having become associated with Nazi Germany.[SUP][43] [44][/SUP]H. G. Wells, who had called for "the sterilization of failures" in 1904, [SUP][45][/SUP]stated in his 1940 book The Rights of Man: Or what are we fighting for? That among the human rights which he believed should be available to all people was "a prohibition on mutilation, sterilization, torture, and any bodily punishment".[SUP][46][/SUP]After World War II, the practice of "imposing measures intended to prevent births within [a population] group" fell within the definition of the new international crime of genocide, set out in the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.[SUP][47][/SUP]The Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union also proclaims "the prohibition of eugenic practices, in particular those aiming at selection of persons".[SUP][48][/SUP]In spite of the decline in discriminatory eugenics laws, some government mandated sterilizations continued into the 21st century. During the ten years President Alberto Fujimori led Peru from 1990 to 2000;allegedly 2,000 persons were involuntarily sterilized.[SUP][49][/SUP]China maintained its coercive one-child policy until 2015 as well as a suite of other eugenics based legislation to reduce population size and manage fertility rates of different populations.[SUP][50] [51] [52][/SUP]in 2007 the United Nations reported coercive sterilisations and hysterectomies in Uzbekistan.[SUP][53][/SUP]During the years 2005–06 to 2012–13, nearly one-third of the 144 California prison inmates who were sterilized did not give lawful consent to the operation.

But we don’t have to look across the ocean to see genetic manipulation, a study, which examined the genomes of 3,726 African-Americans, found differences in African-American genetic ancestry according to regional patterns. African-Americans living in the South had the highest percentage of African ancestors. Those living in the North and West regions had significantly lower percentages of African ancestors, and higher percentages of European ones. These genetic differences originate from the movements of people during the Great Migration—the massive exodus of over six million black people from the South to Northern cities between 1910 and 1970.

Geneticists use the term admixture to describe when two previously isolated genetic groups—such as Europeans and Africans—combine by interbreeding. Today, most African-Americans have both African and European ancestry. This can be traced back to the horrific legacies of slavery, during which European slave masters raped the African women they owned. Many of those that were raped were those that worked in the houses and were found to be more attractive and acceptable to the slave owner, and often a lighter skinned baby would be produced from the encounter.

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These findings suggest that earlier waves of the Great Migration were comprised of black people with a greater percentage of European heritages than later waves. This makes sense, given the historical privileges accorded to lighter-skinned African-Americans. The fact that people with lighter skin were likely to face less job and housing discrimination may have enabled them to move away earlier than darker-skinned people.

The slave owners looked at the slaves much like the farmers of today look at their cattle. They would breed the biggest male with the strongest woman to get the best of both in the child. One could hypotheses that we can see this genetic manipulation today in sports, especially in the United States. In sports both amateur and professional you will find many of the best athletes are predominantly black.

If you take a snap shot of sports across the entire world, you will have a kaleidoscope of color, except for the US. The only place that you find such a high percentage of black athletes vs. other races is in Africa. Is it any wonder that the US only excels on the world stage where black athletes are involved? In the Olympics we excel in very few winter sports where we have very few black athletes, but if you look at the summer games where we often have a lot of black athletes, we are often seen wearing the Gold.

Is it any surprise that many of the best athletes in the United States are black? It shouldn’t.

In the bodybuilding world we see both black and non black athletes rise to the top of the profession. However when you look at champions like Ronnie Coleman, Lee Haney, Phil Heath, Dexter Jackson, Sergio Oliva and Robbie Robertson, they have and continue to set the standard for what was and will be consider a champion.

When you look at the completion of today, we have to look at the drugs and the amounts that are being taken just to compete. Justin Compton and Dallas McCarver are two of the best up and coming bodybuilders but will they be able to ever win the Mr. O? Is that due to genetics?

The question that we should be asking is what does the future hold, both good and bad due to the genetic manipulation?
 
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The science of eugenics was quite popular in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Unfortunately circumstances of WWII destroyed any positive outcome. It now appears that the European white man will be going extinct within 150 years. This can be seen on You-Tube videos describing the science of population demographics. This is primarily due to a low birth rate among European countries and the US. You need a birth rate of 2.1 just to maintain the population size. European and US birth rates range from 1.4 to 1.8. While Muslim and sub-saharan african birth rates are 5, 6 and 7 per couple.
And to make things worse the scientist Steven Hawking predicts all humans will be extinct within 1000 years. There dosen't look like there is any way out of this.
 
I really want your guys input on this before I put it out.
I like reading about different ideas and ideologies even if they are politically incorrect. All this politically correct stuff has got to stop, case in point eveyone had a smile on thier face and said they were going to vote for Hillary because it was politically correct, what people say ( think in their minds) and do are two very different things.

I would love to have an adult discussion about the above article.
 
The science of eugenics is basically forced evolution. However evolution of humans has been going on for millions of years. The most recent was the evolution of the Nordic peoples from a small Mediterranean population. This happened from 6000 to 10,000 years ago. These changes were brought about by mutations which is the fastest way to evolve. The AO2 gene had a mutation in a single individual which caused the body to stop producing melanin in the eyes and as a result everyone descended from this person was born with blue eyes. This change gradually swept through the population.

Other mutations for pale skin and blond hair swept thru the population. These changes were traced by genetic scientists to the NW coast of the Black sea. It was in an area called the Danube Valley Civilization. Other changes happpened such as growing taller. The Celtic peoples and the Germanic peoples were described by ancient historians as "having rippling muscles". There were 3 groups of Nordic peoples to come from this area. The Scythians were the first. They moved east along the north coast of the Black sea. Next were the Celtic peoples who first moved north then west into France as long ago as 2000 BC. The last to leave were the Germanic speaking peoples. Many different tribes formed over the centuries. The most amazing were the Goths. I have seen several stunning descriptions of them. One was from an Iraqi ambassador named Ibn Fadlen. He described them as "blond haired, blue eyed and tall as date palms. He said they were the finest physical specimens he had ever seen".

Most historians are hesitant to give the physical descriptions of them because of the superior race issue. The Nazis of WWII were not so hesitant. They called them god-men. By 250 AD the Goths had moved south from Sweden and bumped into the Roman empire. In 170 years they slaughtered 4 Roman armies, killed 2 Roman emperors and in 410 AD they sacked Rome. First time in 800 years Rome had been sacked. In 75 years they took the western Roman empire away from the Romans and several Gothic leaders ruled it for the next 70 years.
 
Sculpture of a Celtic warrior in BC times

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Diodorus Siculus(Roman Historian) wrote in the Bibliotheca Historica 5.28.1 (60-30BC) The Gauls are tall of body, with rippling muscles and white of skin and with long yellowish hair. (they didn't have a word for blond)
 

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The science of eugenics is basically forced evolution. However evolution of humans has been going on for millions of years. The most recent was the evolution of the Nordic peoples from a small Mediterranean population. This happened from 6000 to 10,000 years ago. These changes were brought about by mutations which is the fastest way to evolve. The AO2 gene had a mutation in a single individual which caused the body to stop producing melanin in the eyes and as a result everyone descended from this person was born with blue eyes. This change gradually swept through the population.

Other mutations for pale skin and blond hair swept thru the population. These changes were traced by genetic scientists to the NW coast of the Black sea. It was in an area called the Danube Valley Civilization. Other changes happpened such as growing taller. The Celtic peoples and the Germanic peoples were described by ancient historians as "having rippling muscles". There were 3 groups of Nordic peoples to come from this area. The Scythians were the first. They moved east along the north coast of the Black sea. Next were the Celtic peoples who first moved north then west into France as long ago as 2000 BC. The last to leave were the Germanic speaking peoples. Many different tribes formed over the centuries. The most amazing were the Goths. I have seen several stunning descriptions of them. One was from an Iraqi ambassador named Ibn Fadlen. He described them as "blond haired, blue eyed and tall as date palms. He said they were the finest physical specimens he had ever seen".

Most historians are hesitant to give the physical descriptions of them because of the superior race issue. The Nazis of WWII were not so hesitant. They called them god-men. By 250 AD the Goths had moved south from Sweden and bumped into the Roman empire. In 170 years they slaughtered 4 Roman armies, killed 2 Roman emperors and in 410 AD they sacked Rome. First time in 800 years Rome had been sacked. In 75 years they took the western Roman empire away from the Romans and several Gothic leaders ruled it for the next 70 years.

What is your opinion on the fall of the Goths? If they were described as man-Gods what was there downfall.
 
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What is your opinion on the fall of the Goths? If they were described as man-Gods what was there downfall.

The Goths lasted for many centuries, but inter-breeding with the Mediterranean peoples was their downfall. In 490AD, an eastern group of Goths called the Tafali Goths, led by Theodoric took over the western Roman empire and ruled it for more than 70 years. The emperor of the eastern Roman empire, Justinian, waged a decade long war with them. He finally succeeded in driving them out of Italy where they joined 2 other Gothic tribes in Spain. That decade long war reduced the civilian population of Italy by 1/4. I have seen reviews of books on the Goths where the reviewer said you can still see the faces of the Goths in some men in northern Spain. And you can still see the blond beauty of the Gothic women in the renaissance paintings. The renaissance period was from the 1300's to the 1700's. So they lasted for some time. There are still Goths in Sweden. From the sculptures I have seen done by the Romans of the Goths, the Swedish film star Dolph Lundgren has a strong resemblance to the Goths in those sculptures. He is 6'5". The Russian tennis star Maria Sharapova said her home town is Sochi. On the coast of the Black sea. That is where the winter olympics was held. The Goths lived there for a thousand years. Gothic was spoken there until 1845. I think she is a distant descendant of the Goths. She is 6'4". So a few survive here and there. I think the strongman Halfthor Bjornsson may be a descendant of the Goths. He is 6'9" and his last name is Swedish.

Immigration and inter-breeding, along with a low birth rate is going to send the European white man down the same route to extinction. We will be extinct in 150 years. You need a birth rate of 2.1 just to maintain the population size. It is far below that in western European countries and white America. Here is a video that describes the problem. This is the science of population demographics.

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Awesome brother, so what I see you saying is that inter-breeding was the downfall to the goths.
 
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