test. boosters a myth?

i'm not too sure but when an athlete is drug tested for performance enhancers, don't they take the level of testosterone per deciliter of blood? in that case the so called testosterone boosters like tribulis and ecdy must be useless or only work very slightly. i may be wrong, but its just that i got a buddy and hes convinced that he is taking something "legal and way better than steroids" tribulis and ecdy.

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From what little I know about sports testing for test it's basically a way of making sure an athelte is not too juiced.

I'm not even sure if there is an upper limit that sends off a red flag concerning the amount of test in a human. It is my understanding that they check for a test/epi-test ratio. I'm not even sure what epi-test is except a body will product test and epi-test in a 1-1 ratio. When you inject test it's almost pure, no epi-test. This skues the ratio. The NFL and I do believe the IOC too allows for a 6-1 test/ept-test ratio. Given that 99.99% of all humans on this planet have a near 1-1 ratio it sounds like controlled juicing to me.

I'm sure someone here will have greater detail and make sense to what I just said.

I'm sure they test for metabolites of every known AAS as well.

I read some interesting articles on unknown (to testers and most people) steroids that labs are making now. Most of these compounds were originally created in the 50's and 60's only to dug up out of research books for use today. The test LA mentioned probably got several atheletes in the olympics caught for using these so called "designer steroids".

matarazzojr said:

i'm not too sure but when an athlete is drug tested for performance enhancers, don't they take the level of testosterone per deciliter of blood?

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Traditionally, blood tests have been reserved for catching blood dopers (EPO, hematocrit, etc.). Urine tests have been used to test for androgen metabolites (nandrolone, stanozolol, methenolone, etc.) Since testosterone is produced endogenously, it's pointless to test for metabolites (everyone would fail). So they use the 6:1 T/E ratio like LA mentioned.

"legal and way better than steroids"...LOL, if that were true, there would be no more testing.

So there would be no metabolites of say Test Enanth or Test Prop in the blood or urine? I'm sure that one could tell the difference between the two as the two different metabolites of each would be different.

Suspension on the other hand is a different story I believe. (straight test - active for 8 hours or so)

The metabolite is the remnant of the steroid compound, e.g., nandrolone, boldenone, etc., not the ester. The ester is simply hydrolzed by esterase enzymes. The steroid compound cannot be used until the ester is cleaved away from the compound so that the steroid will attach to the receptor cell. This is when the body begins to metabolize the steroid. The ester is irrelevant at this point. There is no difference between endo and exo test from here on, and that's why there's a range, not a positive or negative as in nandrolone, stanozolol, etc. (synthetic androgens).

Interestingly, it has recently been proven that nandrolone can be produced endogenously by humans. And this has screwed up the whole IOC, et. al. testing. From what I've read, the official stance has been to change nandrolone from a (+) or (-) test to an acceptable quantity test, similar to testosterone.

Always heard that nandrolone was produced by pregnant women (not pregnant men) during their 3rd trimester.

Goldenear - I was not aware of that. Learn something new each day. The reason why I thought that was I've read on several websites that Test Enanthate can be tested for 12 months and Test Prop can be tested for 2 or 3 weeks or so. I thought that the reason for this was that the metabolites were different...

Are these websites incorrect in making these statements of positive testing periods?

Usually those sites are referring to drug clearance times. We all know the horror stories of people testing (+) for nandrolone, even as far out as 18 months. They're talking about the compound, not the ester. The ester has to become dettached from the parent steroid compound before the compound can be metabolized. I'm not a biochemist, but I'm guessing that the ester simply dissolves.

Look at it this way...if the tests evaluated esters (and, in fact, the ester does NOT dissolve), someone taking Flonase (fluticisone propionate) for allergies would test positive for the propionate ester. The test is meaningless without knowing the compound administered.