Just got blood work results; Freaking out and I need your help guys

I am freaking out right now. Extremely high estrogen levels and low testosterone ratio.
From labCorp standard test my estrogen total is 108 pg/ml out of reference range of 40-115. Isnt that extremely high for a 28 year old male to have? What can I do to correct this problem with what supplement or serm to bring this level down?
Also my testosterone is only 342ng/dl out of reference range pf 348-1197 which is VERY low for a 28 year old.
I am natural and have not taken anything so this really disturbs me and I want your help any way I can get it.
Thank you guys so much in advance.

its not perfect but not crazy bad. you could probably do OTC stuff and get it better. my test level were 304 at 28 it took 2 more years and a new doc before i got on TRT which i love

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how do you feel?

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depressed, low libido? tired?

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bitchy?

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you can try an anti-estrogen which should lower estrogen and increase testosterone

Hi IronJulious,
Thanks for posting. Yes I feel depressed, tired all of the time, puffy nipples in morning really bad, and a bloaty feeling around my waist 9I am 16% bodyfat and do cardio religiously everyday and eat 100% clean with NO carbs, starch or sugars after 5pm.
What is the best OTC anti estrogen that will correct this problem?
Also I sent you a PM please check.
Thanks!

get retested. Get a good night sleep and stay away from alcohol for a week before the test. test first thing in the morning. Should be more accurate.

you know those commercials you hear on the radio about your wife doesnt think her husband finds her attractive anymore. call those guys thats how they make a living. tell them whats going on and you should get on TRT they kinda know what they are doing but not all of them. many guys on MC are on TRT and will be happy to help with. im surprised more havent posted on the thread yet but they will. keep researching and asking questions. if you dont have kids go make some sperm donations just in case. you can still have kids on TRT but for some reason most men have girls

I dont drink at all nor do any drugs and I got tested first thing in morning at 9am in Lab Corp.
What do you guys think about me giving transdermal Formeron a try because my doctor refuses to script me with arimidex and testosterone saying that he doesnt feel that my estro levels are too high (simply because it wasnt outside of the reference range) although I can feel that I have too much estro because of serious ED problems and puffy nipples as well as stubborn baby fat around my waist and rib cage area that I cannot shed regardless of intensive cardio sessions and clean eating.
I am just so frustrated and angry that I am 28 years old, an avid athlete having these shity levels. It's like...I am taking good care of my body making sure I eat clean and stay home on the weekends abstaining from alcohol and drugs and this is the thanks I get...testosterone levels lower than my 61 year old uncle who scores much higher than my naturally.

try MC anti-E

That's why a lot of us just do TRT ourselves. i would just get 5 vials of test and do 150 mg/w. Get daring once or twice a year and add in some Anavar or this or that.

I have on hand some reputable quality UGL test and think that I am going to get started on this along with the transdermal Formeron. I have not juiced before so this will be my first time.
I am tired of dealing with chronic fatigue (and constantly trying to break it with day naps and stimulants). It's like a constant ongoing battle where I have to keep fighting waves of fatigue that drench me day and night. My life outside the gym is complete crap and I am always run-down.
I am sure the TRT dudes can relate to this easily.

^^ just be aware, TRT is not cycling. TRT is 100-200 mg/w and that's it. A good aim in my estimation is to get your test to about 1000 to 1100 ng/dL. For me that's about 150 mg/w. You can get tested without a prescription at privatemd.com. I get the deluxe male panel. It's under 170 buck still I think.

glycomann said:

^^ just be aware, TRT is not cycling. TRT is 100-200 mg/w and that's it. A good aim in my estimation is to get your test to about 1000 to 1100 ng/dL. For me that's about 150 mg/w. You can get tested without a prescription at privatemd.com. I get the deluxe male panel. It's under 170 buck still I think.

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glycoman is right on point here buddy

newyorkpumped said:

I have on hand some reputable quality UGL test and think that I am going to get started on this along with the transdermal Formeron. I have not juiced before so this will be my first time.
I am tired of dealing with chronic fatigue (and constantly trying to break it with day naps and stimulants). It's like a constant ongoing battle where I have to keep fighting waves of fatigue that drench me day and night. My life outside the gym is complete crap and I am always run-down.
I am sure the TRT dudes can relate to this easily.

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I do know the run down, chronic fatigue feeling. Be aware of this as well: you're not going to feel like a million bucks the day after your first shot of test. You are in for an experiment finding the right level for you, and how you respond. Also know that what seems to work initially may not work forever. This is my experience, anyhow. In my case, I decided to come off it altogether for a while and start over. My start over day is rapidly approaching.

For me, some things radically improved and stayed that way (sleep, energy level, aches and pains - or lack of - these all improved greatly) while other things improved initially and then got worse - namely, impotence, or "ED" as it's called nowadays. I can't explain that, but that's what happened. The other sides that came up for me were pretty bad acne and elevated hematocrit level, which can be a serious issue if it isn't dealt with. So I suggest frequent blood work and be willing to adjust the dose down as well as up. Less can be better at times even though that's counter intuitive.

For me, I've decided to try to approach it more like a moderate cycle because I got such good results initially which then tapered off. I am figuring regular breaks will make it more effective when I start up again.

O yeah: I've found so far that most docs don't have a fucking clue about this and how to properly go about it, including those who are supposed to be specialists. It seems to me that many of the TRT "clinics" are primarily sales organizations who have a doctor on staff but who is not the guy running the show. And most of the docs I've talked to about my issues have completely blown off my low testosterone condition and either dismissed it completely or wanted to throw pills at some of the symptoms (more salesmanship, just a different kind) that they have a pill for.

I have learned more about hormones, how they work and so forth here than from the half dozen doctors I've talked to in the last year or so.

So stick around, read a lot, ask questions. And good luck!

Thats a damn good answer EMW14....

Not sure I understand what u were saying about the estrogen. Because the reference range u gave and the result wasnt high. It was within limits. Now the test may have been on the normal lower side. Either way trt can help. You may want to even try some stimulators for test production instead of trt. Once your on trt you wont come off unless u want to feel like shit.

newyorkpumped said:

I dont drink at all nor do any drugs and I got tested first thing in morning at 9am in Lab Corp.
What do you guys think about me giving transdermal Formeron a try because my doctor refuses to script me with arimidex and testosterone saying that he doesnt feel that my estro levels are too high (simply because it wasnt outside of the reference range) although I can feel that I have too much estro because of serious ED problems and puffy nipples as well as stubborn baby fat around my waist and rib cage area that I cannot shed regardless of intensive cardio sessions and clean eating.
I am just so frustrated and angry that I am 28 years old, an avid athlete having these shity levels. It's like...I am taking good care of my body making sure I eat clean and stay home on the weekends abstaining from alcohol and drugs and this is the thanks I get...testosterone levels lower than my 61 year old uncle who scores much higher than my naturally.

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newyorkpumped said:

I have on hand some reputable quality UGL test and think that I am going to get started on this along with the transdermal Formeron. I have not juiced before so this will be my first time.
I am tired of dealing with chronic fatigue (and constantly trying to break it with day naps and stimulants). It's like a constant ongoing battle where I have to keep fighting waves of fatigue that drench me day and night. My life outside the gym is complete crap and I am always run-down.
I am sure the TRT dudes can relate to this easily.

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Your estrogen level is on the high side of the range but manageable since it's still within a "normal" range. You might benefit from nolva to keep it from activating receptors. Your testosterone level is what you should really be worrying about. Your doc should have you on TRT, period. 348 is a ridiculous level for a 28-year old. The normal level for a 28-year old should be more like 800-900. It has nothing to do with "you're still within the normal range" as so many clueless doctors put it. Being within the normal range doesn't mean anything by itself. You should be within the normal range at values that are common to your age. Tell your doctor this. If he won't put you on TRT, then get another doc because he doesn't care for your health. Chronic fatigue and not being able to lose fat is common for low levels like that. I tested at 330 when I was 30. Doc said the same thing to me, but I insisted that I be put on. The difference for me was like night and day. I have now been on TRT for 15 years. If I had not insisted, my quality of life would have understandably been terrible.

I absolutely agree with you and THANK YOU very much for that post. It sounds like that you are truly speaking from the heart and these kind of posts really help me reflect on the pros and cons to make the best and most healthy decision that I can possibly make.
It means a lot to me!
Right now I am starting a low dose course of AI's in an attempt to lower estro and will follow up with a blood work in about 20 days from now. I have been recommended to use Formeron or 6-bromo (But decided to use Formeron because I was told that it is quick acting).
Today is day 6 on 2 pumps a day and I do feel more freed up energy. I may just be fooling myself because Formeron is a pro-hormone and once I stop taking this stuff, my levels will crash again...but I am hoping that is not going to be the case.
I know that once I start the TRT..then I will never go want to stop and that is a big commitment to make.
Do you think that I may be on the right kind of trial here by attempting to slash estro and hoping that in turn will "free" up some test that has been "trapped" or am I just way off on my prediction?

Thanks again for everybody through these posts and the PMs that have been helping me. It is tremendous for me.

BigZ said:

Your estrogen level is on the high side of the range but manageable since it's still within a "normal" range. You might benefit from nolva to keep it from activating receptors. Your testosterone level is what you should really be worrying about. Your doc should have you on TRT, period. 348 is a ridiculous level for a 28-year old. The normal level for a 28-year old should be more like 800-900. It has nothing to do with "you're still within the normal range" as so many clueless doctors put it. Being within the normal range doesn't mean anything by itself. You should be within the normal range at values that are common to your age. Tell your doctor this. If he won't put you on TRT, then get another doc because he doesn't care for your health. Chronic fatigue and not being able to lose fat is common for low levels like that. I tested at 330 when I was 30. Doc said the same thing to me, but I insisted that I be put on. The difference for me was like night and day. I have now been on TRT for 15 years. If I had not insisted, my quality of life would have understandably been terrible.

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I'm glad I could help. Technically, you are a candidate for medical TRT. Reducing estrogen will only help a little since you're only altering the ratio a tiny bit. When I went on TRT, I understood that my body wasn't going to produce test on its own so I was going to have to be on for the rest of my life even if I didn't want it. That's something to come to terms with.