I been using genesci igf1 for the past two weeks now. This is my 3rd week and am bout to stop using it. I feel like shit all day. Im tired and I can barely eat. Once I get done eating, I start dry heaving. I am only doing 30mcg per day along with 4ius of gh, cytomel, and some test. I mix the igf1 with the water it comes with and a lil bit of sterile vinegar to keep it from degrading. Anybody have any idea why its making me feel this bad? I heard the side effects only last for the first couple days or so. I havent gained a single pound either. I would continue taking it if I was making the gains but Im not. When I got the igf1 it was sent with an ice pack but it wasnt cold. Could it have went bad due to shipping? Or maybe the sterile vinegar is having a bad reaction in my body. Any ideas anybody>????
bad igf1 experience
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irishpride
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never heard of someone using sterile vingear..could be that
where'd you come up with the vinegar recipe and how were you shooting it?
Never heard of this method either so maybe you should talk to whoever suggested this method and they could tell you if it's "normal" to feel like this.
Sorry to hear you're having such a tough experience I've had nothing but good things to say about IGF-1. Good luck with it bro and hang in there.
Never heard of this method either so maybe you should talk to whoever suggested this method and they could tell you if it's "normal" to feel like this.
Sorry to hear you're having such a tough experience I've had nothing but good things to say about IGF-1. Good luck with it bro and hang in there.
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saudades
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You don't need hgh while taking IGF-1. The rest should be okay as far as I can tell. MC's premixed product is probably a better way to go if you having a strange reaction. I've never heard of mixing with vinegar, let alone a _sterile_ vinegar. Bump for info on that...
The most common effects of IGF usually are an increase in lean muscle and a decrease in fat which won't actually cause you to gain weight. Lethargy is also common. If used with AAS, that will help mature the new fibers you gain on IGF, thus increasing gains later on.
The most common effects of IGF usually are an increase in lean muscle and a decrease in fat which won't actually cause you to gain weight. Lethargy is also common. If used with AAS, that will help mature the new fibers you gain on IGF, thus increasing gains later on.
Acetate: Chemical Structure C2H4O2.
Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a steroid for only a couple of days. Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets (metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally testosterone.
Some reconstitute IGF with Acetic acid...I am sure this has something to do with it, but not sure of the excact process, and or methods, chemical structures invloved.
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Also referred to as Acetic Acid; Ethylic acid; Vinegar acid; vinegar; Methanecarboxylic acid. Acetate esters delay the release of a steroid for only a couple of days. Contrary to what you may have read, acetate esters do not increase the tendency for fat removal. Again, there is no known mechanism for it to do so. This ester is used on oral primobolan tablets (metenolone acetate), Finaplix (trenbolone acetate) implant pellets, and occasionally testosterone.
Some reconstitute IGF with Acetic acid...I am sure this has something to do with it, but not sure of the excact process, and or methods, chemical structures invloved.
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I am still taking it. I stopped mixing it with the sterile vinegar and am just using BW. I stopped using the insulin with it and upped my dose to 40mcg per day. I still feel like total shit every day. I wake up feeling dizzy and am still unable to get my appetite back. I still am not really impressed with the gains. I have bout 2 more weeks left on it so I will keep u all posted. I got it sent from overseas 3 day express and it can shipped on ice, but the pack was already warm. I wonder if it went bad or not. I am not really sure if the R3 IGF1 can go bad if left out of the fridge for a couple days.
proud13
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To remind you guys...I was the one who origanally proposed the idea of the vinegar acid (acetic acid) b/c many don't have access to chem. supplies such as hcl, etc. Feel free to do a search on here.
It was a sticky awhile back but some genious took it down!!
To answer your questions...no vinegar isn't the problem (even if you used too much), you shouldn't of used the GH with the IGF b/c it's wasting it, seriously doubt the icepack not being frozen would cause the IGF-1 to degrade b/c it is not hot enough this time of year to decompose rapidly, your dry heaving is most likely due to the response of your GI tract growing since IGF efx the smooth muscle (**unfortunately) the most.....ever wonder why pros have such huge bellies? Now you know why! There GI grows easier and faster than the skeletal muscle which is a bad consequence of repeated and long usage of IGF or GH.
The reason you didn't make gains sound most likely b/c of your lack of eating not the IGF or your AAS use. No blocks to build with=no muscle...plain and simple.
It was a sticky awhile back but some genious took it down!!
To answer your questions...no vinegar isn't the problem (even if you used too much), you shouldn't of used the GH with the IGF b/c it's wasting it, seriously doubt the icepack not being frozen would cause the IGF-1 to degrade b/c it is not hot enough this time of year to decompose rapidly, your dry heaving is most likely due to the response of your GI tract growing since IGF efx the smooth muscle (**unfortunately) the most.....ever wonder why pros have such huge bellies? Now you know why! There GI grows easier and faster than the skeletal muscle which is a bad consequence of repeated and long usage of IGF or GH.
The reason you didn't make gains sound most likely b/c of your lack of eating not the IGF or your AAS use. No blocks to build with=no muscle...plain and simple.
Hey proud13 thanks for the info. Your the person I originally got the idea bout using the sterile vinegar to mix with the igf1. So are u suggesting that during the 4 weeks I am on igf1 I shouldnt be using any gh at all? Also, do u think I should use a lil inslin with the igf1?
proud13
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cannons/joebig,
Yeah save the GH for another time. Think of it this way....if you're injecting deca would you want to also take something like an oral deca PH precursor? Probably not so save it for something like a cutting cycle and inject into your abs for localized fat loss.
willieman,
Yeah some sellers of IGF are reconstituted with different things ranging from BA, BaW and very few BaW+acid. I used to believe that IGF and BA was completely wrong but a person with a much stronger knowledge in biochem, hormones, cytokines, ergogenics, etc told a friend of mine in an email that IGF with BA is actually better for shipping purposes and remains in the body (bloodstream) just as long as the manufacturer's specs of activation and 1/2 life.
So to not come out and actually make myself look silly for speaking out so vehementaly (originally) about BA+IGF use I would trust it based where my information came from. When I have time I will look for the study again on IGF+BA.
I'll post this info above in a new thread and hopefully I can find this needle in the haystack study to confirm it once and for all.
Yeah save the GH for another time. Think of it this way....if you're injecting deca would you want to also take something like an oral deca PH precursor? Probably not so save it for something like a cutting cycle and inject into your abs for localized fat loss.
willieman,
Yeah some sellers of IGF are reconstituted with different things ranging from BA, BaW and very few BaW+acid. I used to believe that IGF and BA was completely wrong but a person with a much stronger knowledge in biochem, hormones, cytokines, ergogenics, etc told a friend of mine in an email that IGF with BA is actually better for shipping purposes and remains in the body (bloodstream) just as long as the manufacturer's specs of activation and 1/2 life.
So to not come out and actually make myself look silly for speaking out so vehementaly (originally) about BA+IGF use I would trust it based where my information came from. When I have time I will look for the study again on IGF+BA.
I'll post this info above in a new thread and hopefully I can find this needle in the haystack study to confirm it once and for all.
great post proud13...
i have only gotten great results from using IGF-1. I haven't touched it in about a year, but I did 5 mg's of igf-1 over the course of 3-4 months, and honestly I found it to be the same as GH... I had some eli lilly GH, (since my step mother as a physician whith illness, receives 2 kits for free per month directly from the eli lilly corp) and honestly besides major localized fat loss, they were essentially the same in effect. so saving your hard earned cash is always a better choice for those of us who live on a budget.
i have only gotten great results from using IGF-1. I haven't touched it in about a year, but I did 5 mg's of igf-1 over the course of 3-4 months, and honestly I found it to be the same as GH... I had some eli lilly GH, (since my step mother as a physician whith illness, receives 2 kits for free per month directly from the eli lilly corp) and honestly besides major localized fat loss, they were essentially the same in effect. so saving your hard earned cash is always a better choice for those of us who live on a budget.
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