I know this has been discussed in detail before, but I thought I would get some fresh responses on what has been working best for everyone. Pre-workout, Post-workout, and how long is your cycle, and do you get better results using daily, or workout days only?, etc. My main concern is the use of pre-workout VS Post-workout. From various things I've read, if used pre-workout, althought the pump is greater, you are using it more as a "glucose disposal agent", and when used post-workout, then it is going to have a greater effect for hyperplasia, which I would think is what everyone would favor is the hyperplasia effect that it is supposed to have. So let's hear it, what do you favor, and why?
IGF protocol...preferred timing & schedule
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I may be starting up on some soon. I was thinking of taking any guess work out of the "pre" and "post" workout crap, and just splitting up the injections and doing 40mcg bilaterally pre, and another 40mcg post workout, for a total of 80mcg/day. And since I'm starting a cutting phase, I would just limit my only carb intake at those two times in the day. I'm thinking of doing workout days only, since I see a a lot of peptides and hGH protocols where the doses are spread out and more sporadic similar to the body's own production. I'm also going to do IM, not subQ, as I've noticed some people believe that the subQ inj. are more likely to be absorbed by the gut.
Presser, do you still do your oatmeal before, or would a sugary drink or some juice or some faster acting carbs be okay for the carb load pre workout? I workout first thing in the morning, and I'm not looking to eat something that will sit heavy in my stomach right before I shoot off to the gym. Usually I just throw back some caffeine and ephedrine w/ a big glass of water and off I go.
Presser, do you still do your oatmeal before, or would a sugary drink or some juice or some faster acting carbs be okay for the carb load pre workout? I workout first thing in the morning, and I'm not looking to eat something that will sit heavy in my stomach right before I shoot off to the gym. Usually I just throw back some caffeine and ephedrine w/ a big glass of water and off I go.
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saudades
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Actually, you don't want to take IGF post-workout. This is due to MGF being produced at that time which will render the IGF useless. See this thread: http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/showthread.php?t=50923
I would think a mix of simple and complex carbs would be good as I'd agree you don't want something sitting heavy in your stomach while you're at the gym.
I would think a mix of simple and complex carbs would be good as I'd agree you don't want something sitting heavy in your stomach while you're at the gym.
steph
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I normally take mine post workout, but I'm talking anywhere from 1-2 hours later, since I do cardio after I lift and I normally don't take it until after I'm home and done showering. Do you think this makes a significant difference??
Yeah, I decided to just administer it before bed, 25mcg on each side. Besides, I didn't have any AA, and just decided to use BA to recon. I only recon one bottle at a time, so I don't think it will degrade too much before I use it all up. It seems thicker and cloudy when I take it out of the fridge, so I have to let it warm up a bit before I inject. I haven't had any problems with going hypo on it or anything.
Hey Saudades, do you administer daily, or do you take some days off during the week?
good post bro as is the link u posted to the other thread explaining why its not so good post, its crazy cause everyone use to say post only and preworkout is a waste even though prew/o always worked great for me
theBIGness
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i like pre and later in the muscle i trained that day
ragingbull20000
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just started cycle of igf=1 trying to figure best time to take pre or post and should it be taken intra muscular or sub cont. ? any thoughts ?
pre brutha their is a great article on here someplace explaining why its best
LeatherHead
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Pre and intramuscular are best.
I have been doing a lot of research on IGF well really IGF-1 DES 1,3, anyway the information on this board has interested me because it conflicts with all the other information I have found. Using IGF Pre is good for pumps but not as effecgtive as using it post workout. Also maybe I am misunderstanding the post about not taking it immediatly post workout, but isnt that exactly when the best time to fully maximize the potential of IGF is? I would not want to take it in the morning due to the bit of tiredness it can cause. Here is a post by Grunt at another board commenting on the University of Michigan's recent release of IGF studies on March 15 2010.
By Grunt7684
new research from the University of Michiganm, released only a week ago on March 15, now explains that the reaction of a muscle cell to IGF-1 will depend on its oxygen supply. When a myoblast has little oxygen, IGF-1 will promote myoblast proliferation and when the oxygen supply is high, IGF-1 will promote differentiation and fusion or even creation of new myotubes.
Obviously, immediately after training a muscle is when the oxygenation status of the muscle cell is maximized. That, and the upregulation of IGF receptors by a bout of intense exercise, militate strongly in favor of immediate-postworkout administration.
By Grunt7684
new research from the University of Michiganm, released only a week ago on March 15, now explains that the reaction of a muscle cell to IGF-1 will depend on its oxygen supply. When a myoblast has little oxygen, IGF-1 will promote myoblast proliferation and when the oxygen supply is high, IGF-1 will promote differentiation and fusion or even creation of new myotubes.
Obviously, immediately after training a muscle is when the oxygenation status of the muscle cell is maximized. That, and the upregulation of IGF receptors by a bout of intense exercise, militate strongly in favor of immediate-postworkout administration.
First off WELCOME bro!
As for the pre/post debate, I am pretty sure general consensus here has always been its best to take after working out up until just recently due to a post made explaining why it isnt optimal to take it post workout due to the igf ataching itself to mgf rendering it useless, thats just off the top of my head, i could be way off but im pretty sure thats how the post read and i also think it was gathered from a recent study but dont hold me to that. If you dig around the top few threads in this forum im sure you will find that post. Hope that helps explain some, and again i could be way off here but im pretty sure thats what i read brutha
here is the post im talking about, aand i thought it came from a study at university somewhere but again ,lol, could be wrong
The further away from pwo the better due to the native MGF that your body produces after you train. If you take it immediately after your workout then the igf will attach it self to the MGF and stall the prolliferation process. Allow the native MGF to run it's course, then administer IGF in small doses either in the morning or at very least 2 hours post work out. Example. 40mcgs daily should be taken at 10mcgs 4 through out the day, because IGF1LR3 will attach to receptors in the bowels when taken in larger dosages. You feel like a pin cushion, but the results are worth the extra pins. CLINICAL STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THIS TO GET THE BEST RESULTS.
The further away from pwo the better due to the native MGF that your body produces after you train. If you take it immediately after your workout then the igf will attach it self to the MGF and stall the prolliferation process. Allow the native MGF to run it's course, then administer IGF in small doses either in the morning or at very least 2 hours post work out. Example. 40mcgs daily should be taken at 10mcgs 4 through out the day, because IGF1LR3 will attach to receptors in the bowels when taken in larger dosages. You feel like a pin cushion, but the results are worth the extra pins. CLINICAL STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THIS TO GET THE BEST RESULTS.
LeatherHead
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I was thinking about hitting it every 12 hours-ish.
Ya I saw that but again that is conflicting with other studies I have read. IGF is really starting to confuse me. I guess trial and error from my own personal experience will be best.
On a different board Datbtrue posts that IGF should be administered post workout in a series of rotated small multiple injections nin the muscle worked, for example 20 injections total rotated bilaterally in the muscle worked each injection 3mcg post workout. I believe this is so that the IGF is absorbed locally and does not build up in one spot. I could be way off so I will go search for the post and research but this was just an initiall comment to get some thoughts out.
On a different board Datbtrue posts that IGF should be administered post workout in a series of rotated small multiple injections nin the muscle worked, for example 20 injections total rotated bilaterally in the muscle worked each injection 3mcg post workout. I believe this is so that the IGF is absorbed locally and does not build up in one spot. I could be way off so I will go search for the post and research but this was just an initiall comment to get some thoughts out.
That's ok bro and u can go to five different sites and find five different answers on how it's best taken and personaly I think trial and error is the answer for each person as on this site alone u will find guys taking it various different wAys at various times and each claims it works great their way. And ya can't argue with that cause if it's working for them then what can ya realy say ya know
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