drtbear1967
Musclechemistry Board Certified Member
I just don't get it, I know it would work but I don't know why anyone would do it? You are going to have knots at the injection site no matter what. IM is the way to go for me.
Iron Game
Veteran
Exactly I don't understand why you would want to do it. No benefit -
drtbear1967
Musclechemistry Board Certified Member
That is what I am talking about. Look like you would have the mumps in your belly.
yellow snow
New member
I have done it for TRT only; 2 .5cc ( 1/2 ml) shots a week. And here are the pros and cons:
Pro:
it distributes the T more evenly into the system, I can get away with not using Nolva or armi when injecting this way
It is way easier to use slin pins and if you do it right no lump or bruising ( most of the time see cons)
Cons:
I first week or two you do this route if feels like you have no T in your system...........it takes a while for some reason to get your T levels up using this method.
Every 1 out of 10 shots I will get a lump that doesn't go away for a week or two. 1 out of every 20 I hit a blood vessel and I bruise for a week or two and it hurts like hell.
I need to take my E blockers to keep from retaining water and to keep my E levels in the 'sweet' spot.
Bottom line is in the winter I do sub q. When it is summer time and my shirt is coming off, I do it the good old fashion way.
Pro:
it distributes the T more evenly into the system, I can get away with not using Nolva or armi when injecting this way
It is way easier to use slin pins and if you do it right no lump or bruising ( most of the time see cons)
Cons:
I first week or two you do this route if feels like you have no T in your system...........it takes a while for some reason to get your T levels up using this method.
Every 1 out of 10 shots I will get a lump that doesn't go away for a week or two. 1 out of every 20 I hit a blood vessel and I bruise for a week or two and it hurts like hell.
I need to take my E blockers to keep from retaining water and to keep my E levels in the 'sweet' spot.
Bottom line is in the winter I do sub q. When it is summer time and my shirt is coming off, I do it the good old fashion way.
LeatherHead
New member
I'm IM all the way. Only thing I go sub q on is mt2.
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You can do subq anywhere you have skin. You don't have to do it on your stomach. Some things I've learned are as follows:
-I usually look for the thickest skin on my body. Examples: Above my hips closer to my back than my abs and the glute area generally more towards the top closest to the gluteus medius.
-I avoid using shorter acting compounds as they tend to have more solvents and they usually get very irritated especially if going over .25 mL.
-If you are having trouble with knots then find a thicker area of skin and try going a little deeper. Unless its a shorter acting compounds than its likely to knot up anywhere due to the solvents.
-Knots can also be caused if the injection is done intradermal instead of subq in other words not deep enough. The subq injection should be 4-8mm (0.15″-0.2″).
-If you have trouble with bruising the simplest solution is to ice the injection area until it feels a little numb then inject.
-If a knot is visible you can use a heating pad and very light massage to disperse the oil. Do not do this if the injection is very irritated.
The advantages of subq are as follows:
-When you inject IM you will create scar tissue. The is caused by the needle itself and sometimes by the compound injected(various reasons). Subq obviously will not create scar tissue in muscle and compromise the health/integrity of the muscle that is continually injected into.
-Subq injections release into the blood stream more slowly for several reasons. The main reasons have to do with blood flow. When you inject a foreign compound into the muscle there is an inflammatory response. Once the oil vehicle and solvents are metabolized the remaining hormone powder irritates the muscle tissue(picture sand rubbed between your fingers). The area is flooded with blood in an attempt to eradicate whatever is causing an irritation. Some compounds are worse than others(i.e. test prop). The inflammatory response is far less in the skin as there is less blood flow and obviously the skin does not contract and relax as muscles do.
A negative to Subq is the amount that can be injected is less than intramuscular. I have done as much as 1mL at a time and that seems too much for the ab or side area of my body. If its the glute/hip area 1 mL does ok. 0.3mL-0.5mL seems to be the most ideal amount.
The only time I am completely opposed to subq injections is near a show. I personally would only inject in in my glute intramuscular near a show. (2-3 weeks out)
-I usually look for the thickest skin on my body. Examples: Above my hips closer to my back than my abs and the glute area generally more towards the top closest to the gluteus medius.
-I avoid using shorter acting compounds as they tend to have more solvents and they usually get very irritated especially if going over .25 mL.
-If you are having trouble with knots then find a thicker area of skin and try going a little deeper. Unless its a shorter acting compounds than its likely to knot up anywhere due to the solvents.
-Knots can also be caused if the injection is done intradermal instead of subq in other words not deep enough. The subq injection should be 4-8mm (0.15″-0.2″).
-If you have trouble with bruising the simplest solution is to ice the injection area until it feels a little numb then inject.
-If a knot is visible you can use a heating pad and very light massage to disperse the oil. Do not do this if the injection is very irritated.
The advantages of subq are as follows:
-When you inject IM you will create scar tissue. The is caused by the needle itself and sometimes by the compound injected(various reasons). Subq obviously will not create scar tissue in muscle and compromise the health/integrity of the muscle that is continually injected into.
-Subq injections release into the blood stream more slowly for several reasons. The main reasons have to do with blood flow. When you inject a foreign compound into the muscle there is an inflammatory response. Once the oil vehicle and solvents are metabolized the remaining hormone powder irritates the muscle tissue(picture sand rubbed between your fingers). The area is flooded with blood in an attempt to eradicate whatever is causing an irritation. Some compounds are worse than others(i.e. test prop). The inflammatory response is far less in the skin as there is less blood flow and obviously the skin does not contract and relax as muscles do.
A negative to Subq is the amount that can be injected is less than intramuscular. I have done as much as 1mL at a time and that seems too much for the ab or side area of my body. If its the glute/hip area 1 mL does ok. 0.3mL-0.5mL seems to be the most ideal amount.
The only time I am completely opposed to subq injections is near a show. I personally would only inject in in my glute intramuscular near a show. (2-3 weeks out)
Muscle mechanic
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
All I know is this! I don't know my body fat% but I use 1/2 IM all the time!
As far as Knotts go! I use my glute the most and I have huge lumps back there for years
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It's like this, nothing will happen if u get injection im other tissue instead of being deep inner muscle!
This is important, use the normal areas to miss nerves, and major arteries and vessels!!!
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As far as Knotts go! I use my glute the most and I have huge lumps back there for years
!
It's like this, nothing will happen if u get injection im other tissue instead of being deep inner muscle!
This is important, use the normal areas to miss nerves, and major arteries and vessels!!!
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Muscle mechanic
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Sometimes it's painless until tomorrow morning. When that is case with me it's normally from pushing plunger too fast. Too much pressure squirting!
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Muscle mechanic
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
My trt comes back between 850-950
I use 100 mg testosterone a week on trt dose.
50 mg on Monday and 50 mg on Thursday IM
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