HGH followed by tons of sugar.

[Jozifp103]

I guess I'm looking to get some feedback or opinions on my HGH protocol as it pertains to sugar and carbohydrate intake. From my understanding, HGH use decreases your insulin sensitivity. For this reason it's best to keep simple sugars to a minimum around time of injection. But isn't HGH active for several hours? So why is it only 45mins-1hr that you have to wait? It's known that you peak around the 3hr mark. So assuming the HGH is active for well over 3 hours, your insulin sensitivity will be low for the entire duration of HGH's activity no? And most people split the dose, so that pretty much keeps your insulin sensitivity down all day I would imagine.....


Anyways....I've chosen to ignore this information because I like to take in a lot of simple sugars just before, during, and after my workout. Here's my protocol.


Current compounds:
-EP Test E 500mg/week
-EP Deca 250mg/week (joints)
-EP Cialis 10mg/day (pumps/vascularity/BP)
-EP aromasin 10mg/day
-EP T4 100mcg/day (prevent t4 depletion from HGH use)
I call this a cruise...some consider it a cycle. Do not recommend for beginners and/or anyone unwilling to stay on top of your health.




-430am wake up
-500am pin 2.5iu Eurotropin HGH
-515am eat 1 banana and 1 Belvita breakfast bar (25g sugar)(50g net carbs)
-545am begin workout sip 16oz Monster energy drink (56g sugar)
-615am finish energy drink, switch to shake, continue workout. Shake contains (50g protein blend. Whey, Cassein, Milk, eggwhite)(60g dextrose OR 60g maltodextrin)
-Shake is finished by the time I leave the gym.


TOTALS:

-Using dextrose
141g sugar
166g net carbs


-Using maltodextrin
81g sugar
166g net carbs


I've been following this routine consistently for about 2 months now. I really enjoy the pumps and fullness I get from the high carb/sugar intake. I figure timing them around my workout would rationalize it a bit as I would be using up a lot of them.


But would you consider this overkill? I've remained at 11-12%bf during the entire 2 months.


Should I be concerned with combo of high sugars, hgh, and the possibility of developing diabetes like everyone says?


What do y'all think??

 

[Jozifp103]

​Picked up a blood glucose meter. Gonna do some experiments

 

[Jozifp103]

Ok....I got a glucose meter and tried it out. This first test was just to figure out how to use it but I'll post the results anyway....


4:50 am - pinned 5iu Eurotropin into bicep (it's usually 2iu but missed my afternoon injection yesterday)
5:15 am - Ate 1 banana and 1 belvita breakfast bar (roughly 25g sugar 50g net carbs)
5:45 am - enter gym....sip on energy drink (56g sugar)
6:30 am - finish energy drink, sip on protein/maltodextrin shake, continue to workout. (50g protein, 60g net carbs. No simple sugars)


So for simplicity's sake we'll say I took in 81g sugar and 166 net carbs within 2 hours after injecting 5iu HGH.


7:30 am - blood glucose test


Result - 114
Range (70-245)


Will do more, better timed tests to get some real answers

 

[Mountain_Man]

Everything u said makes perfect sense when I was on gh or the wife was I always did pins 1 hr before biggest carb meal and I felt like pumps and gains were better when I eat biggest carb meals after injection

 

[cbbram]

Everything u said makes perfect sense when I was on gh or the wife was I always did pins 1 hr before biggest carb meal and I felt like pumps and gains were better when I eat biggest carb meals after injection

Do you wait a certain amount of time after you pin before you eat? Does it matter?

 

[BigZ]

I guess I'm looking to get some feedback or opinions on my HGH protocol as it pertains to sugar and carbohydrate intake. From my understanding, HGH use decreases your insulin sensitivity. For this reason it's best to keep simple sugars to a minimum around time of injection. But isn't HGH active for several hours? So why is it only 45mins-1hr that you have to wait? It's known that you peak around the 3hr mark. So assuming the HGH is active for well over 3 hours, your insulin sensitivity will be low for the entire duration of HGH's activity no? And most people split the dose, so that pretty much keeps your insulin sensitivity down all day I would imagine.....


Anyways....I've chosen to ignore this information because I like to take in a lot of simple sugars just before, during, and after my workout. Here's my protocol.


Current compounds:
-EP Test E 500mg/week
-EP Deca 250mg/week (joints)
-EP Cialis 10mg/day (pumps/vascularity/BP)
-EP aromasin 10mg/day
-EP T4 100mcg/day (prevent t4 depletion from HGH use)
I call this a cruise...some consider it a cycle. Do not recommend for beginners and/or anyone unwilling to stay on top of your health.

Should I be concerned with combo of high sugars, hgh, and the possibility of developing diabetes like everyone says?

Ack! YES, you should be concerned with the high sugars! Wish I had seen this earlier. Stay away from all those simple sugars or try not to take so much of it! HGH does cause blood sugar to rise due to insulin sensitivity going down, and consuming all that sugar is making it worse. If you aren't using insulin with this cycle (and YES, it's a cycle), then you should probably at least be using metformin.

Ok....I got a glucose meter and tried it out. This first test was just to figure out how to use it but I'll post the results anyway....


4:50 am - pinned 5iu Eurotropin into bicep (it's usually 2iu but missed my afternoon injection yesterday)
5:15 am - Ate 1 banana and 1 belvita breakfast bar (roughly 25g sugar 50g net carbs)
5:45 am - enter gym....sip on energy drink (56g sugar)
6:30 am - finish energy drink, sip on protein/maltodextrin shake, continue to workout. (50g protein, 60g net carbs. No simple sugars)


So for simplicity's sake we'll say I took in 81g sugar and 166 net carbs within 2 hours after injecting 5iu HGH.


7:30 am - blood glucose test


Result - 114
Range (70-245)


Will do more, better timed tests to get some real answers

Your morning glucose test was 114? Was this without eating anything yet? If this was a fasting morning test, it should have been in the 80-90 range. Starting with a level of 114, eating anything else (but especially more sugar) will make your sugar level skyrocket and stay elevated for a longer time. This is something you DON'T want since that higher level of sugar is extremely bad for your body.

 

[Jozifp103]

Ack! YES, you should be concerned with the high sugars! Wish I had seen this earlier. Stay away from all those simple sugars or try not to take so much of it! HGH does cause blood sugar to rise due to insulin sensitivity going down, and consuming all that sugar is making it worse. If you aren't using insulin with this cycle (and YES, it's a cycle), then you should probably at least be using metformin.





Your morning glucose test was 114? Was this without eating anything yet? If this was a fasting morning test, it should have been in the 80-90 range. Starting with a level of 114, eating anything else (but especially more sugar) will make your sugar level skyrocket and stay elevated for a longer time. This is something you DON'T want since that higher level of sugar is extremely bad for your body.

No no no LOL. That was just after my workout AFTER I consumed all the pre/intra workout carbs as stated above. So considering the high amount of sugars and the use of HGH...I'd say temporary levels of 114 are nothing to worry about.

 

[BigZ]

Just be careful, bro. If that's the level after a couple of hours of taking those carbs, it could still very well be a problem.

 

[first blood]

Just a thought. Would it work if u drop simple sugars and eat complex carbs like oats first thing? Since the gh is working for 3 hrs those complex carbs will have the time to kick over into simple carbs ie; sugar in say 2 hrs. But with less glucose spike....

 

[Jozifp103]

Just a thought. Would it work if u drop simple sugars and eat complex carbs like oats first thing? Since the gh is working for 3 hrs those complex carbs will have the time to kick over into simple carbs ie; sugar in say 2 hrs. But with less glucose spike....

I'd assume it would have less of an impact on my blood sugar spike. But NOBODY is going to take my intra-workout energy drink away from me. NOBODY

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Just be careful, bro. If that's the level after a couple of hours of taking those carbs, it could still very well be a problem.

The spike was most likely due to my intra workout energy drink and intra/post workout protein/carb shake. The blood test was taken less than 10 minutes after finishing my shake. I took another blood sample about an hour later and glucose was already back down to 93.

 

[Jozifp103]

Ok a month later I finally got around to doing a before/after glucose test....


I chose to do both tests fasted to remove all variables to see if HGH really does increase blood sugar.


Protocol:


10am - woke up (fasted 12 hours) and pinned 5iu Eurotropin HGH. (Pinned the whole 5iu at once instead of splitting because if there was an effect on blood sugar, I wanted to get strong results.)
10:30 am - first glucose test
10:30 am-12:57 pm - continue to fast
12:57 pm - second glucose test (2.5 hours after GH administration)


Results below:


10:30 am

12:57 pm

So here's my take based on what I've read/learned....


After 12 hours of fasting my blood sugar should have leveled off to it's constant fasting level. From my understanding your blood sugar will only drop so low in the absence of food and has a base level that is maintained by glucose production in the liver. So based on this, my blood glucose was at it's lowest, most constant level. It would not have dropped nor risen in the next few hours in the absence of food. Therefore any increase or decrease in blood glucose during this time would have to be caused by the HGH (theoretically).


So, because my BG only dropped slightly within the 2.5 hours of GH administration....my guess is that the increase in BG (insulin resistance) from HGH is a constant effect of HGH and not correlated to the timing of the shots. So BG will always be slightly elevated during HGH use, not just around the time of administration. Another reason I believe this is because a reading of >100 after 12 hours of fasting seems a bit high leading me to believe there is some insulin resistance occurring.

 

[BigZ]

So, because my BG only dropped slightly within the 2.5 hours of GH administration....my guess is that the increase in BG (insulin resistance) from HGH is a constant effect of HGH and not correlated to the timing of the shots. So BG will always be slightly elevated during HGH use, not just around the time of administration. Another reason I believe this is because a reading of >100 after 12 hours of fasting seems a bit high leading me to believe there is some insulin resistance occurring.

Yes, you would be correct. Typical fasting BG levels are usually around 70-90. This is why you want to try to maintain insulin sensitivity. Using some IGF alongside HGH can help as can metformin.

 

[Jozifp103]

Ok guys.....due to my elevated fasting glucose levels I can confirm that HGH is in fact elevating my BG to a degree. While the numbers aren't crazy high (103 fasted in the AM), I don't want to put extra stress on my pancreas.


So...


After getting recommendations from numerous members across numerous forums, I decided to try a low dose insulin protocol to keep my BG in check and give my pancreas a break. I'm going to start with 3iu in the AM when I arrive at the gym. This would be 30 mins after my first serving of carbs (about 30g). Right after, I will begin my workout and sip on my sugary energy drink (56g sugar). Once that is finished I will switch to my protein/maltodextrin shakle about 30 mins before my workout and 30 mins before I will be drinking my sugary energy drink followed by my maltodextrin/protein shake (60g carbs). This should be more than enough carbs to cover the small insulin dose. I will start at 3iu and do blood tests eventually working my way up to 5iu and maybe eventually 10iu (in time). I want to see how my BG reacts to the doses before I go crazy.


So my question......Fast acting insulin, medium, or long acting? I'm thinking a fast acting R-type insulin is the way to go to start. Especially considering the timing of my carbs, and the amount of simple sugars. I don't want to have to worry about going hypo for hours on end. I just want to help shuttle the sugars that I ingest in the morning before my workout.


Thoughts?

 

[BigZ]

i'm actually surprised that you aren't already using insulin. If it was me, I would. That's how most mass monsters get so big, HGH and slin together.

For more exact timing and less worry about being hypo, the best is fast-acting insulin if you can get it (humalog/novolog). Next best would be the medium (humulin/novolin). I'd stay away from the long-acting.

 

[Jozifp103]

i'm actually surprised that you aren't already using insulin. If it was me, I would. That's how most mass monsters get so big, HGH and slin together.

For more exact timing and less worry about being hypo, the best is fast-acting insulin if you can get it (humalog/novolog). Next best would be the medium (humulin/novolin). I'd stay away from the long-acting.

​Yes that has been the general consensus. I can get medium acting humulin/novolin OTC at the pharmacy but I'm going to look for some fast acting slin. Gonna look around the forums a bit.