Recently, I had some bloodwork done, and it came back showing my IGF levels as being low. This test is also used to indicate GH levels since IGF will be low if GH is low. The doctor however, refused to give me an Rx for either IGF or HGH citing that I was, in his opinion, "too muscular." What recourse do we have when doctors refuse to treat when an actual medical need is shown? This same doctor had he been treating me for low T could have also likely refused to give me testosterone for which I also have an actual medical need. Is our only recourse to try to find another doctor who will prescribe or in instances like these could we have a case to sue (maybe for malpractice or personal damage)? They are after all causing us personal harm by their refusal to treat. What are your thoughts?
When doctors refuse to treat you
Muscle mechanic
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Big Z, does this dr give u testosterone I couldn't tell from post?
I recommend u look at the fda guidelines because if he has to give it off label he doesn't have to unless it standard protocol of fda.
Besides that if u think u can benifit from it which I know anyone can including myself but I can't afford, but if u can go somewhere where u can get it for declining levels and anti-aging.
Alot of Dr's will not want to give us something if they suspect we using it for bodybuilder "hence the comments about your build" He has are wants to hold up his ethics of being a Dr u can't blame him what media and the public did to his morals and thought process.
But what u can do is find a Dr who believes in treating us for anti aging therapy.
How will u pay?
I think insurance is only accepted for pituitary disorders and grow deficiencies and in people under certain ages that fail to strive because of it.
I think your only bet is anti aging.
These Dr's cover their ass by fda protocols.
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yellow snow
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Find a new doctor, remember they run a business and we pay their bills.
drtbear1967
Musclechemistry Board Certified Member
Doctors are more concerned about making money than treating patients. Fast Food Health Care!! Thanks Obama!!!
I agree with this strongly in principle. In practice, it's difficult. Doctors don't take phone calls for "interviews", so you have yo make an appointment and go in, then pay the copay or pay for the appointment if you haven't already met your deductible. Then, when the doc realizes he's being interviewed, rather than being viewed as an almighty, all knowing authority, he tends to be touchy. These kinds of visits tend to get confrontational. More so when the doc realizes that you "think" you know something about the subject for which you came to him for "help". Somewhere during this sparring match, the doc concludes you're "doctor shopping" - which, in fact, you are, but not in the context in whichbthat phrase was coined, which was attempting to get scripts for narcotics - and he gets REALLY touchy. If the doc isn't already on his or her high horse by now, he definitely has at least one foor in the stirrup..... This is a very time consuming, frustrating, stressful and somewhat expensive routine that can frag on. Especially if you stick with it long enough to break through the initial roadblocks and start to develop somewhat of a rapport, only to have the doc decide he's in over his head and wants you to go to a "specialist", at which point the whole miserable process starts over again. Ask me how I know.
I agree with Mechanic, I'd be looking for anti-aging clinics or the like. As Mechanic pointed out, these outfits typically do not accept insurance, so you're either looking at paying out of pocket - expensive - or, if you have exceptional health insurance, submitting a claim for reimbursement, itself a major hassle that will require the doctor office's participation to provide "proof of medical need", blah, blah - which is generally the reason they don't accept insurance in the first place, in order to avoid this major hassle.
In short, I think you will have a very tough time getting traction with a malpractice suit, even if technically justified. The doctor will be regarded as safeguarding his ethics and that of the medical community by thwarting an attempt to abuse the system to get drugs....
yellow snow
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Totally agree with you, however I have had luck bringing in abstracts and letting the doctor read the article with references for himself then simply asking him to do what I want. I try not to be the one aurguing with him; I let the articles do the arguing then I just ask for common sence................I did the research, now will you help me? It also helps not to go to a general doc who is used to dealing with runny noses. Most of their 'consumers' are idoit who do no research and blindly follow the doctor almighty you know the ones who have a virus and want to get a script for antibiotics.
I have never tried this approach. Maybe I should...
trekrider215
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pill mills popping up left and right and dude can't even get the doc to give him some hgh to treat his condition. fucking doctors man.. it really is ashame how messed up this system is.
I don't know much about the law at all but maybe it wouldn't hurt to try and consult with an attorney and see what they think? I mean if your levels are out of range, there could be side effects involved that effect the quality of life and you shouldn't have to deal with the fact that he doesn't want to give it to you just because your "too muscular". what a scumbag.
I don't see the problem, it seems cut and dry, dude has low levels so fucking fix it. Why is this so difficult. How is that unethical?
Everyone made good points though, I know i'm probably living in la la land but for real the healthcare system is fucked.
I don't know much about the law at all but maybe it wouldn't hurt to try and consult with an attorney and see what they think? I mean if your levels are out of range, there could be side effects involved that effect the quality of life and you shouldn't have to deal with the fact that he doesn't want to give it to you just because your "too muscular". what a scumbag.
I don't see the problem, it seems cut and dry, dude has low levels so fucking fix it. Why is this so difficult. How is that unethical?
Everyone made good points though, I know i'm probably living in la la land but for real the healthcare system is fucked.
Muscle mechanic
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Dr's only prescribe hgh in adults who are deteriorating from not having sufficient levels.
They don't know the sides effects of use and longterm.
There is concern about its effects on other diseases and cell change(cancers, tumors, etc,)
So unless u already sick with deterioration of health and body mass and have low levels there is no way to sue anyone. It's not standard practice and there is not enough evidence to prove it won't make your worse in other ways.
In other words again if u obviously look healthy and are not malnourished looking and don't already have a condition u are dying of no dr will give it for your condition.
U at most will only find a Dr who let u sign a waver who will give it for antiaging but endo's and Dr of medicine the follow fda guidelines with not do because of malpractice from being sued for giving a growth hormone replacement that possibility makes something else grow.
They needs to be clear evidence in growth hormone replacement benifiting deterioration, and if u have a body mass index over the average it will not happen by any ethical Dr so there is no point in doing anything except understanding this this Dr will not help u have all the things it takes to feel young and grow. They expect us to get old and look like old people.
I am only talking from a rational point of view if dr did this we would all take hgh suppress over pituitary time it right and go get tested with low levels. Not saying u did that but I would
They don't know the sides effects of use and longterm.
There is concern about its effects on other diseases and cell change(cancers, tumors, etc,)
So unless u already sick with deterioration of health and body mass and have low levels there is no way to sue anyone. It's not standard practice and there is not enough evidence to prove it won't make your worse in other ways.
In other words again if u obviously look healthy and are not malnourished looking and don't already have a condition u are dying of no dr will give it for your condition.
U at most will only find a Dr who let u sign a waver who will give it for antiaging but endo's and Dr of medicine the follow fda guidelines with not do because of malpractice from being sued for giving a growth hormone replacement that possibility makes something else grow.
They needs to be clear evidence in growth hormone replacement benifiting deterioration, and if u have a body mass index over the average it will not happen by any ethical Dr so there is no point in doing anything except understanding this this Dr will not help u have all the things it takes to feel young and grow. They expect us to get old and look like old people.
I am only talking from a rational point of view if dr did this we would all take hgh suppress over pituitary time it right and go get tested with low levels. Not saying u did that but I would
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