Help with second cycle. Suggestions?

[Pbnolan86]

Little bit about myself. I'm 30 yo 6'2" 229lbs 14.5% bf.
Just got done with my first ever cycle of
Tren-E 100
test-c 300 at a rate of .8cc of each once a week.
I put on about 20 lbs of muscle in a 10 week cycle With a pretty clean diet and about 210 grams of protein a day and around 3000 calories. I'm happy with it but I feel like there could have been more muscle and a little more lean. So now I'm looking for my next cycle that I will start in March and would like to at least put another 20 lbs of muscle on and get down to about 10% bf. Suggestions on what to throw in with tren and test and a better dosage plan( how much and how often) any legit help is welcome.

 

[thudgens96]

I'm a little blown away that your first cycle had tren in it whatever happened to the good old basics a little test deca and dbol. No one appreciates their kidneys anymore. Lol are you doing any pct or just jumping back on. Their are more that a few compounds I would use before tren especially in the beginning. I personally like eq you have to be willing to run a pretty lengthy cycle. I'm fortunate enough to start enjoying it's effects alot quicker than most. If it was me I would do test 600mg a week deca 400 mg a week. And 40mg of dbol a day test and deca on Monday and Thursday 300mg test and 200 deca each day the dbol I would run for 4 weeks then take 4 weeks off and then back on for 4 weeks. If your diet is a minimum of 275g of protein 300-350g a day relatively clean. You should be able to get the gains you want when gains slow up the protein and carbs by 25 g a day until your rolling again. You have to remember this marathon not a sprint the faster you gain it the faster goes away. That's how it works for me anyway. Their are guys here a whole lot smarter than me so do you research follow what some of these guys are saying and don't forget your AI's.

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[Pbnolan86]

Thanks for the advice and I really liked the tren lol and I am on chlomid right now.

 

[thudgens96]

Thanks for the advice and I really liked the tren lol and I am on chlomid right now.

Oh I know you like it who doesn't like being a freak but that doesn't make it the right thing. Add some tamoxifen I would have started out with 100mg clomid a day for 2 weeks and 40 mg of tamoxifen for 2 weeks and then cut in half I feel that we are all different so the length of time in my opinion is different for me 3 weeks on top of the higher dose is usually efficient.

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[GotTren]

Little bit about myself. I'm 30 yo 6'2" 229lbs 14.5% bf.
Just got done with my first ever cycle of
Tren-E 100
test-c 300 at a rate of .8cc of each once a week.
I put on about 20 lbs of muscle in a 10 week cycle With a pretty clean diet and about 210 grams of protein a day and around 3000 calories. I'm happy with it but I feel like there could have been more muscle and a little more lean. So now I'm looking for my next cycle that I will start in March and would like to at least put another 20 lbs of muscle on and get down to about 10% bf. Suggestions on what to throw in with tren and test and a better dosage plan( how much and how often) any legit help is welcome.

Hey brother, and welcome. Tren is surely not a drug to start. The 20lbs is going to mostly be fluid. But I'm sure with proper PCT you can keep a moderate portion. Also you being 229lbs 3000 calories is an inactive maintenance intake. So you absolutely need to add close to 600 calories more. So when did you start PCT? Are you only using clomid?


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[Pbnolan86]

I am only taking chlomid and have been for 2 weeks. I like everyone's concern but go big or go home right lol. My next cycle will contain tren-E again and I may use sust 270 or just a single test. Wanting to add a 3rd device to this run and maybe help with my doses. I think the one mistake from the first cycle was not using test twice a week.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Well cycle #1, tren e 80 mg a week
Test c approximately 270 mg week

I will say this test wasn't high enough to aromatase and cause sides
Tren e at 80 mg a week was just enough to get feet wet. I wouldn't consider it a real tren run to say u evaluated sides. Plus sides of tren come more with testosterone aromatasing but the growth does for me during this time. Lol! In my opinion tren has to be felt with acetate version first always because if it's too unbearable at 350 total a week enathate too high can put u in a bind literally. And build up can take long so it can be a hell of a surprise.
I suggest u to just run testosterone at higher dose only. My rule of thumb is 500 to 600 per week and experience it before anything else. I always suggest running at least a moderate dose of test a few times and upping it them trying deca or eq. Tren should be saved until experienced and respond in muscle growth slows down after years of use.

 

[GotTren]

I am only taking chlomid and have been for 2 weeks. I like everyone's concern but go big or go home right lol. My next cycle will contain tren-E again and I may use sust 270 or just a single test. Wanting to add a 3rd device to this run and maybe help with my doses. I think the one mistake from the first cycle was not using test twice a week.

Yea for sure my man, gotta do the research . You used a long ester which once a week is fine but you will have much steadier blood levels with twice a week. More effectiveness plus Less oil in the injection site. Honestly I wouldn't add another compound if your getting such good results already on justbthe two, wait for your body to adapt. I would definitely recommend throwing in an ai like aromasin, this will keep your est at bay and also help with you holding all that water. Another thing grab some Nolva and throw in to your PCT if you can. Nolva and clomid have synergistic effects on restarting your hpta and also reducing cortisol and est.


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[Pbnolan86]

How do you guys feel about sust vs regular test c or e

 

[GotTren]

How do you guys feel about sust vs regular test c or e

Testosterone is king, we all know that. Personally sust is my favorite because it's a blend of short and long esters. Just depends on how often you want to pin.


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[Pbnolan86]

How often and what would your max dose of sust be?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

On sust max dose is 1500-2500 I would say. I never go over 1000. At 1000 I add something or drop it lower and add.
I use any testosterone including sust at 600-1000 mg per week. 750 is my lucky number.
On sust I say u go with 3 times a week because of short esters and I myself aromatase if I don't. I prefer either just long esters or short ones only.
I recommended I do test only at 500-600. If u want a boost use dbol at 30-40mg first 4 weeks.


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[Muscle mechanic]

That u do test only at 600
Sust or e or c.

A tren run I suggest u do that later after u go higher on testosterone and have experienced deca and eq
And once u do with tren use test prop with tren a

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[thudgens96]

The mechanics is right with the sust I like doing it eod the faster esters definitely require more pinz. Eod maybe a little more than necessary but that's me

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[Muscle mechanic]

Wanna stress that 600 per week I suggested should be split in two (Monday and Thursday) with cyp or enathate. And on sust Monday wed Friday. And it would be fine to keep that way for every week. I do it that way so M-F short esters are experienced during M-F workouts that's workout days for me.
So divide total mg(600 ex) by 3 for sust and 2 for e or c.

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[Pbnolan86]

So sust 270 at .7 3 times a week would be about right? Also how long would you do that dose before you came off and how long would you stay off?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

For u, I suggest 10 12 weeks. Being it's 2nd cycle.
Take appropriate ai during cycle
Taper ai as ester half life wears before pct.
When pct starts stop ai following pct 100 clomid 2 weeks 40 Nolva
Them 50 clomid 20 Nolva 2 more weeks.
After pct time off counts. Stay off as long as u were on.
This is best way to give recovery to your hpta. At work will post more later but someone else will cover it.

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[GotTren]

Pbnolan86, I gotta stress to you to make sure that you are doing your research brother. And also get blood tests done mid and after cycle. You are getting some experience and knowledge dropped on you here. Good group of guys.


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