HCG help needed!

[TonyMG]

Hi guys,

I run the below cycle (at the time being on 3rd week).
I read a lot regarding HCG but i do not know what would be more suitable for this kind of cycle. Should i use HCG on W3-6 (500iu/w)? or on PCT?

I am 44 years old, 81kg, 177cm.

Any contribution welcome!!

Thanks in advance
TonyMG

W1:
ED, Anadrol 50 along with Legalon 140 for the liver
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml (Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate 50mg, Accetate 50mg, Enanthate 50mg)
1 per week, Omnadren Test (30mg Propionate, 60mg Phenylpropionate, 60mg Isocaproate, 100mg Caproate)


W2-4:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W5-6:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test (double dose)
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W7:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W7:
ED, Anadrol 50 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


PCT
Pregnyl (HCG), 5000IU on Monday and Friday
Proviron 2 ED
Nolvadex 10mg

 

[Presser]

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[Presser]

Hi guys,

I run the below cycle (at the time being on 3rd week).
I read a lot regarding HCG but i do not know what would be more suitable for this kind of cycle. Should i use HCG on W3-6 (500iu/w)? or on PCT?

I am 44 years old, 81kg, 177cm.

Any contribution welcome!!

Thanks in advance
TonyMG

W1:
ED, Anadrol 50 along with Legalon 140 for the liver
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml (Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate 50mg, Accetate 50mg, Enanthate 50mg)
1 per week, Omnadren Test (30mg Propionate, 60mg Phenylpropionate, 60mg Isocaproate, 100mg Caproate)


W2-4:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W5-6:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test (double dose)
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W7:
ED, Anadrol 100 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


W7:
ED, Anadrol 50 (+Legalon)
2 times per week, Trebolone Combo 150mg/ml
1 per week, Omnadren Test
EOD, 0.5mg Anastrazole


PCT
Pregnyl (HCG), 5000IU on Monday and Friday
Proviron 2 ED
Nolvadex 10mg

So your running this cycle for 7 weeks? And only using 1 Omnadren per week? Its an awful cycle man! Sorry, I am not trying to be a dick, or crude, im just trying to help you brutha, and 1 Omnadren per week for 7 weeks is 100% a waist of time, money and will leave you prone to a ton of side effects due to your Omnadren leaving you with spikes up and down in your hormone (testosterone) levels, which can lead to mood swings, ACNE, gyno issues.

Sustanon and Omnadren need to be run every day or every other day for optimal performance at least until the Long testosterone esters in your omnadren or sustanon kick in.

But if this is what you want to do and your doing it already, then I say, Take the HCG now and throughout the rest of your cycle

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Agree with presser. I have to do sust- omna at a minimum of 3 times per week are I aromatase.
Alot of guys will do 125 everyday or eod.
I can get away with 250mg mwf
I rather do test e or c with prop.

To be honest aromatasing with different esters not stable will open the door for tren sides and Anadrol I think works thru progesterone pathway as well.
Progesterone progestins with bloat u till amen with unstable test esters not do often enough

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[Muscle mechanic]

Hcg can cause some uncomfortable estro sides too. Something to think about!
My opinion on hcg is to NOT run it at least two weeks before pct.
Negative feedback will stop testes from getting signal even if u sending with Nolva and clomid they won't do this like hcg.
Imo hcg should only be used to keep testes from being hibernated.
But I myself never been a fan of hcg

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[TonyMG]

So your running this cycle for 7 weeks? And only using 1 Omnadren per week? Its an awful cycle man! Sorry, I am not trying to be a dick, or crude, im just trying to help you brutha, and 1 Omnadren per week for 7 weeks is 100% a waist of time, money and will leave you prone to a ton of side effects due to your Omnadren leaving you with spikes up and down in your hormone (testosterone) levels, which can lead to mood swings, ACNE, gyno issues.

Sustanon and Omnadren need to be run every day or every other day for optimal performance at least until the Long testosterone esters in your omnadren or sustanon kick in.

But if this is what you want to do and your doing it already, then I say, Take the HCG now and throughout the rest of your cycle

Thanks Presser for your response. Sorry i misspelled the last paragraph, it is 8 weeks (not 7). On the w5 and w6 Omnadrens are 2 per week not 1. Does this change something? What you recommend me to do? I am now in the w3. Should i change to 3 omn per week till the last week from now on?

 

[TonyMG]

Hcg can cause some uncomfortable estro sides too. Something to think about!
My opinion on hcg is to NOT run it at least two weeks before pct.
Negative feedback will stop testes from getting signal even if u sending with Nolva and clomid they won't do this like hcg.
Imo hcg should only be used to keep testes from being hibernated.
But I myself never been a fan of hcg

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Thanks Muscle mechanic. My cycle is 8w. Should i do 500iu/week on w3-6? On PCT should i use again hcg? or only nolva, clomid?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Thanks Muscle mechanic. My cycle is 8w. Should i do 500iu/week on w3-6? On PCT should i use again hcg? or only nolva, clomid?

Use 250 iu two times per week 3-6.
All literature I have read good thread on this site, hcg has no place in pct just during cycle or trt.
On your sust or omna u either can do 125 eod or more. U gotta use that often to keep different esters stable. Are else your estro will be constantly adjusting to surges peaks and Valley's of testosterone.
Hcg can cause some estro that even an ai cannot control so u wanna be sure your administered testosterone that u can control when and how much u put is stable

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[Muscle mechanic]

Thanks Muscle mechanic. My cycle is 8w. Should i do 500iu/week on w3-6? On PCT should i use again hcg? or only nolva, clomid?

And yes use Nolva and clomid in pct NOT hcg and be sure your estro is in control before pct

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[TonyMG]

And yes use Nolva and clomid in pct NOT hcg and be sure your estro is in control before pct

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For estro, you mean to do a blood work when finishing the cycle? (before the pct)

 

[Muscle mechanic]

For estro, you mean to do a blood work when finishing the cycle? (before the pct)

No I mean with an ai. If u on cycle for 8 weeks by week 10 going into pct u should have a feel of high estro other low.
It's better to not go into pct with too much estro because your testosterone will be crashed until pct lifts it up.
Gyno is caused by high estro to testosterone ratio in most causes.
Plus water retention can be a problem.
Adrol doesn't aromatase but it can cause alot of water retention on top of estro being high
That's what I meant

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[TonyMG]

No I mean with an ai. If u on cycle for 8 weeks by week 10 going into pct u should have a feel of high estro other low.
It's better to not go into pct with too much estro because your testosterone will be crashed until pct lifts it up.
Gyno is caused by high estro to testosterone ratio in most causes.
Plus water retention can be a problem.
Adrol doesn't aromatase but it can cause alot of water retention on top of estro being high
That's what I meant

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ok i see. Yes i started (w3) arimidex 0.5mg EOD

 

[Muscle mechanic]

No I mean with an ai. If u on cycle for 8 weeks by week 10 going into pct u should have a feel of high estro other low.
It's better to not go into pct with too much estro because your testosterone will be crashed until pct lifts it up.
Gyno is caused by high estro to testosterone ratio in most causes.
Plus water retention can be a problem.
Adrol doesn't aromatase but it can cause alot of water retention on top of estro being high
That's what I meant

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I would get an ai if u don't have one.
MC store will have u covered on that.
Adex or letro should be suitable yes Nolva can help fight estro sides but it will not lower estro.
Proviron can help but not an ai.
My advice is u need an Ai for during cycle I would use proviron on cycle as well at least last four week till day of pct.
Hcg imo doesn't have a place in pct at all period there is enough info on this.
Hcg is a false signal to keep testes working somewhat but it will cause suppression on its own so keep boys awake during cycle and during pct they will come back with Nolva and clomid.
Nolva will not help tren sides if progestins build up. But progestins usually or not heard of in breast tissues unless they have aromatasing estro to open pathway. Then u dead on water, no with tits and muscles!!!
Got it!!!
If not I can lay out what u should do but it all in these post. Let me know if u got it.
An anti prolactin can help too but I admit I never used one but I use an ai!

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[TonyMG]

I would get an ai if u don't have one.
MC store will have u covered on that.
Adex or letro should be suitable yes Nolva can help fight estro sides but it will not lower estro.
Proviron can help but not an ai.
My advice is u need an Ai for during cycle I would use proviron on cycle as well at least last four week till day of pct.
Hcg imo doesn't have a place in pct at all period there is enough info on this.
Hcg is a false signal to keep testes working somewhat but it will cause suppression on its own so keep boys awake during cycle and during pct they will come back with Nolva and clomid.
Nolva will not help tren sides if progestins build up. But progestins usually or not heard of in breast tissues unless they have aromatasing estro to open pathway. Then u dead on water, no with tits and muscles!!!
Got it!!!
If not I can lay out what u should do but it all in these post. Let me know if u got it.
An anti prolactin can help too but I admit I never used one but I use an ai!

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I think i got it. I started arimidex .5mg EOD. Arimidex is and AI, right?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

ok i see. Yes i started (w3) arimidex 0.5mg EOD

Brother it's ultimately your choice and it's was your choice to cycle.
I do it cause I like to!
But if we can help because u asked we will give u our advice and knowledge freely with hopes u are safe and use it to your advantage! Good luck my friend!

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[TonyMG]

Brother it's ultimately your choice and it's was your choice to cycle.
I do it cause I like to!
But if we can help because u asked we will give u our advice and knowledge freely with hopes u are safe and use it to your advantage! Good luck my friend!

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Thanks man! I really appreciate your valuable feedback!!

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I think i got it. I started arimidex .5mg EOD. Arimidex is and AI, right?

Yes! It is an ai!
U may not need that much though.
2 mg a week should be plenty but we all different. Adjust ai slowly. Keep journal note feeling, all doses taken daily of everything notice weight changes, lines on skin leaning against a wall that don't bounce out, when. U remove socks notice these this they are signs of estro high low or good.
Libido high low, woods good, Ed, woods at night in morning inflammation of acne or dry bumpy itchy skin. Moodiness, tired, no energy all these things or high or low estro.
It's better to stay on high side than too low though!
Sore joints good joints Pay attention in your journal these things are your clues to adjusting your ai!

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[TonyMG]

Agree with presser. I have to do sust- omna at a minimum of 3 times per week are I aromatase.
Alot of guys will do 125 everyday or eod.
I can get away with 250mg mwf
I rather do test e or c with prop.

To be honest aromatasing with different esters not stable will open the door for tren sides and Anadrol I think works thru progesterone pathway as well.
Progesterone progestins with bloat u till amen with unstable test esters not do often enough

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I was thinking to change from 1 omna to 3 per week. What do you think?
The schedule will be:

Monday: omna
Tuesday: tren
Wednesday: omna
Thursday: -
Friday: tren
Saturday: omna
Sunday: -
In total 750mg omna and 300mg tren/week. Should i do it like this till the last week (8) of the cycle?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I was thinking to change from 1 omna to 3 per week. What do you think?
The schedule will be:

Monday: omna
Tuesday: tren
Wednesday: omna
Thursday: -
Friday: tren
Saturday: omna
Sunday: -
In total 750mg omna and 300mg tren/week. Should i do it like this till the last week (8) of the cycle?

That's what I always do. But sometimes I may use test at around 500 with tren.
I will be honest bro, I am 40 and tren is hard on me. Used to not be but is now.
It messes with my bp and makes me irritable.
So I usually run tren ace at end of longer cycle for around 6 weeks.
By that time before tren I have some mass and I use tren a and test prop to recomp and lose water weight before it's over.
That's me though.
If u handling tren pretty good up test but 750 is a big difference compared to 250
Though so that's your choice

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