Female Cyle | Lean Mass

[Mara]

Hey guys,

I have already read some threads about female cycles, but I still have a few questions. I decided to run my first cycle with Anavar only, I want to gain some "lean mass".
I'm a foreigner, so I hope I have made no language mistakes :drooling:.

I have been lifting for 2 years straight now and made some gains. I started with 112.4 lbs and I'm now at 136.7 lbs.
But in the last half year the devolpment was not as good as before, it stopped at 136.7 lbs. So I decided to get some "help".

Here are the few questions I have left:

(1) Liver damage
I read about 4-6 Weeks duration for one cycle.
How long do I have to be off to run a new one?
Should I do a liver test before the cyle and after the cycle?
After running a few cycles, does the liver damage, that may occur stay?

(2) Gains
Can I gain around 15 - 20lbs muscle mass with 3-5 cycles?

(2) Will I loose the gains again?
Lets say I run 3-5 cycles but keep training after the cycles, can I keep most of the gains? Because I dont want to be on Var my whole life.

(3) body fat
I eat 2600kcal currently (natty) and my body fat is a bit under 20%. Can I diet and still make gains with Anavar? Or should I eat what I regularly eat for building muscle mass?

(4) dosage
I want to cycle 6 weeks with 10mg a day: 5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening. I will start and end the cycle with 3ayds lower dosage.

(5) side effects
Lets assume I get strong side effects, f.e. because my var has been been laced with Winstrol or D-Bol. Can I stop the var immediately to reverse the side effects?

I'm happy about every suggestion you guys have :sport:

 

[drtbear1967]

Here is some information for you. You have a lot of variables mentioned, if you don't get the answers you think you need, feel free to DM me.

I found this the other day while looking up steroids and women, this is the best information i have found from a couple who experimented with many different compounds and what they came up with. i love it, and am going to be using it as my guide through all m cycles in the future. take a read.

by: REALGAINS AND WIFE

Fact of the matter is many many ladies still come to men for advice on how to use steroids. Unfortunately most men don't have a clue and choose NOT to give advice but some others do give advice and it's not always good advice. There are, however, a few men that know what they are talking about when it comes to
steroid use for women.

I think I have a good grasp on how a woman should use steroids.
I got this "know how" through personal research with my wife and through trial and error with my wife. I have also trained national level female bodybuilders, so I know what big doses are and also what they can do in regard to muscle gain and androgenic sides.

Guys...if you want to advise your woman on how to take gear then you better listen up or you could cause a lot of androgenic sides and she won't be pleased with that at all.

REALGAINS AND WIFE steroid advice for women.
I'll try to keep it brief and simple.

Women need to be fully aware of their goals BEFORE using gear. If they have the genetics to compete at the national level and WANT TO then they need to know that fairly heavy steroid use is REQUIRED if they are going to stand a chance in Hell of winning anything. Steroid choice for these women should still be primarily limited to the milder androgens but the doses with be highish and stacking common place.

MOST ladies are recreational lifters or minor competitors and do not have the genetics nor the interest in "going all the way" The advice below is geared towards these women and those that want to compete at local and perhas state events and at a high level in "fitness" competitions"

GEAR CHOICE

My wife has tried many steroids so I will relate good gear choices, cycles, results, and advice through her experience. She did all the following cycles for about 12 weeks.

Primo 100mg/week started at about 75mg/weekand increased to 100 by about week 6
EQ at 75mg/week
Winstrol 10mg/day in two doses
Winstrol 20mg/day orally in two doses/day
Winstrol 25mg IM every 3rd day
TESTOTERONE! 60mg/weekof prop, 15mg every other day for 6 weeks only. Stopped due to increased facial hair, large clit and a cracking voice. Hair has been lasered off thank God!
Nandrolone phenylprop 100mg/week. Started at about 75mg/week and increased to 100 after about week 6. Tken at 25mg every other day due to short half life.

Nandrolone phenylprop 75mg/week and anavar 20mg/day in three doses/day.
Anavar 10mg/day in two doses
Anavar 15mg/day in three doses
Anavar 20mg/day in three doses
Anavar 25mg/day in three doses


RESULTS

All the above cycles gave good results in lean muscle gain and strength gain.
She experienced water retention on all cycles.
The nadrolone gave slightly more water retention than the others, except test, but she shoulders never hurt her while lifting heavy.


HER ADVICE ON ADROGENICITY.

Avoid the strong androgens at all costs(d-bol, test, IM tren etc).
Mild androgens can be very androgenic if dose is too large.
Test was by far the most androgenic hormone used followed by EQ. She ranks all others used as "about the same" doses although she experienced a few androgenic sides with the higher doses of Winstrol IM.
* Was aware of greater bioavailablity of IM hormones so she lowered weekly IM dose accordingly.

ANDROGENIC SIDES

Sides very minor but still there on as little as 10-15 mg of Anavar (var) and Winstrol (minor acne on shoulders and some water retention.)

Acne on the shoulders on all cycles(mild) Worst on EQ and Test
Slight voice "hoarseness" in the voice at times that went away after stopping. Worst on EQ
Major cracking of voice on test.

As said, a fair amount of hair growth on upper lip while on test. A little(very minor) while on the steroids except low dose Anavar (var) and low dose oral Winstrol (winny). All lasered off.

Clit got really big on test..about 5mm long and much thicker too. has gone down a bit but still large. She thinks this has been good for her sexually.

Water retention on all cycles and worse as dose increased.



FAVORITE STEROID

She liked the Primo and Anavar (var) about the same, although she no longer uses Primo as she is afraid to get a fake.
So Anavar (var) is now her #1 choice for herself and women in general and Denkall is her favorite brand as it has been tested as 100% pure and well dosed too. Second choice is Loeffler.

AND>>>>>>> her liver panel and lipid panel remained UNCHANGED after 8 weeks on 25mg of VAR/day! (piss me off )

ADVICE ON ESTERS

Avoid deca as nandrolone phenylprop is safer as one can "bail out" of a cycle if sides get bad. If you must use test use prop, for the same reason.
Be aware that Primo is almost always faked(deca) and that even if it is real it is in a long acting etser(enathate). Primo acetate is no longer available as far as we know.
EQ is also in a long acting ester.
If bad sides come on you MAY be able to bail out of a cycle with short acting/clearing injectables.



THE BIGGEST MISTAKE WOMEN MAKE according to my wife.

#1."They take up to 50mg of IM winstrol every other day, and that is way too much. They then say that winstrol is a "snake bite roid" or "not for most women" when the real culprit is the IM route and excessive dose. Many women do not understand that IM steroids are much more bioavailable than oral steroids and as such doses should be lowered"

#2. "Stacking" is not needed for all but the advanced competitor and can lead to excessive doses and androgenic sides" Always try each of the steroids that you want to use separately before trying to stack.

#3. "Too much too soon PEROID!"

MY WIFES SECRET TECHNIQUE.

My wife has always had a low test level. Many ladies(even young ladies) do not produce enough test in the adrenals and ovaries. Any women that has a test level of 30 or less doesn't have enough test for optimal sex drive and athletic function.
SO...she takes test gel from a compounding pharmacy every day at 2.5mg transderamally. This has rasied her T level to the mid normal range at about 55. When she wants to retain more of her mass post cycle she ups the dose to 5mg /day. This jacks her T level up to high normal for a woman(about 90)

So if ladies want to retain more mass post cycle maybe they should get there T level tested (after a couple mounths off gear of course) Few ladies have a T level in the high normal range and many have a low test level. Maybe your T level is low.

This is how you achieve a very low T level, if your T level is adequate, so your doc will prescribe T gel... take a steroid for a month and then go to your doctor complaining about a non existant sex drive. Ask for your T level to be tested. It will come back very low due to the steroid use. Then ask for a script of test gel from a "compounding Pharmacy"


WHERE TO START

My wife and I recommend 10mg of Anavar a day in two-three divided doses for 12 weeks as a beginning cycle. Denkall is our first choice.
If you can't find Anavar (var) then try winstrol at about the same dose orally.

We DO NOT recommend that anyone go above the doses my wife has used as she feels she has pushed the dose to a realistic max.

Some ladies will react worse to androgens than others so START SMALL. Some can get away with quite a lot of gear and some can only use small amounts without bothersome sides.

* Some women react differently to each of the milder androgens, although my wife didn't notice much difference, so some experimentation and selective tinkering may be in order.

REALGAINS and his top trainees.

Well ladies and gents I am currently training a national level competitor and she is on 200 of deca a week, 25 of Var/day, 25 of winstrol/day , 4 of GH and slin too. She looks great and is very big but she is very pretty and with a sexy "build". Unfortunately she sounds like a guy, especially over the phone. Thats the price most women have to pay to reach the top.

BTW the pros use more!

ALSO....don't take this advice as "gospel". This is just some general good advice for most women we think. It has been "our experience"and our .02

~~~RG and wife~~~

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Hey guys,

I have already read some threads about female cycles, but I still have a few questions. I decided to run my first cycle with Anavar only, I want to gain some "lean mass".
I'm a foreigner, so I hope I have made no language mistakes :drooling:.

I have been lifting for 2 years straight now and made some gains. I started with 112.4 lbs and I'm now at 136.7 lbs.
But in the last half year the devolpment was not as good as before, it stopped at 136.7 lbs. So I decided to get some "help".

Here are the few questions I have left:

(1) Liver damage
I read about 4-6 Weeks duration for one cycle.
How long do I have to be off to run a new one?
Should I do a liver test before the cyle and after the cycle?
After running a few cycles, does the liver damage, that may occur stay?

(2) Gains
Can I gain around 15 - 20lbs muscle mass with 3-5 cycles?

(2) Will I loose the gains again?
Lets say I run 3-5 cycles but keep training after the cycles, can I keep most of the gains? Because I dont want to be on Var my whole life.

(3) body fat
I eat 2600kcal currently (natty) and my body fat is a bit under 20%. Can I diet and still make gains with Anavar? Or should I eat what I regularly eat for building muscle mass?

(4) dosage
I want to cycle 6 weeks with 10mg a day: 5mg in the morning and 5mg in the evening. I will start and end the cycle with 3ayds lower dosage.

(5) side effects
Lets assume I get strong side effects, f.e. because my var has been been laced with Winstrol or D-Bol. Can I stop the var immediately to reverse the side effects?

I'm happy about every suggestion you guys have :sport:

I only use orals for 4 weeks but a man's doses much higher than woman.

U should dose anavar at 5 mg a day then up to 5 mg @2×. Max female dose should be 20 mg a day in my opinion!

Another option would be Primobolan
the injectable version.
This should be around 100 mg per week for woman.

I don't think your liver with be in danger from 10-20 mg of anavar at 4-6 weeks
But it still will undergo some stress.
Raised enzymes and lipids will be for the worst.

Primo would be better for this reason
Or primo and avar every other time one then other.

U gotta give double time off than on for orals to recover liver and lipids 3x is better

Primo time on and again still time off.
Example 4 weeks to pct then equal to more time off.

For primo or anavar I would do this.
Find supplier.
Tell them u are active online and you will test your products by labmax before use that u can't take chances.

Get your labmax kits follow directions and test for legitimacy before use.

This is safe way and u always have option of posting result with name of supplier.

Do your research before ordering and do research good their are only a few places to get legit anavar and primo.
And these products will not be cheap if they legit!!! And still test them before using.

I cannot give u a place so please understand!!!

Also ostarine the sarm is great for men or women!!!
Dose for ladies is 12.5 mg per day!

Good luck keep us posted!

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[Mara]

drtbear1967: Thank you very much for the informative post

My wife has always had a low test level. Many ladies(even young ladies) do not produce enough test in the adrenals and ovaries. Any women that has a test level of 30 or less doesn't have enough test for optimal sex drive and athletic function.
SO...she takes test gel from a compounding pharmacy every day at 2.5mg transderamally. This has rasied her T level to the mid normal range at about 55. When she wants to retain more of her mass post cycle she ups the dose to 5mg /day. This jacks her T level up to high normal for a woman(about 90)

I have naturally a higher female testo level (I guess) and I dont take "the pill" so no test gel for me

Well ladies and gents I am currently training a national level competitor and she is on 200 of deca a week, 25 of Var/day, 25 of winstrol/day , 4 of GH and slin too. She looks great and is very big but she is very pretty and with a sexy "build". Unfortunately she sounds like a guy, especially over the phone. Thats the price most women have to pay to reach the top.

BTW the pros use more!

:dizzy:

I was thinking about competing, but since my upper body is very bad + this info about the pros, I will think about it again

U should dose anavar at 5 mg a day then up to 5 mg @2×. Max female dose should be 20 mg a day in my opinion!

Yes, same opinion :thumbsup:

Another option would be Primobolan
the injectable version.
This should be around 100 mg per week for woman.

Primo would be better for this reason
Or primo and avar every other time one then other.

Primo time on and again still time off.
Example 4 weeks to pct then equal to more time off.

I would try Primo but there is only Primo Depo out to buy I guess, I will stick to Var for the first cycle. Too dangerous to get that shit out if I get side effects :drooling:

I don't think your liver with be in danger from 10-20 mg of anavar at 4-6 weeks
But it still will undergo some stress.
Raised enzymes and lipids will be for the worst.
U gotta give double time off than on for orals to recover liver and lipids 3x is better

So if I take Var 6 Weeks with 10mg/day, I will have to rest 12 weeks with any cycle, right?

Find supplier.
Tell them u are active online and you will test your products by labmax before use that u can't take chances.

Get your labmax kits follow directions and test for legitimacy before use.

This is safe way and u always have option of posting result with name of supplier.

Do your research before ordering and do research good their are only a few places to get legit anavar and primo.
And these products will not be cheap if they legit!!! And still test them before using.

I cannot give u a place so please understand!!!

Good tips, thank you very much. I hope I dont get in trouble when a package gets opened by customs officials, I have to import my stuff :disgust:

Good luck keep us posted!

Ofc :sport:
I will start my cycle March or June this year. I'm very excited for my first cycle yeaa

Anyone else experience with ladies and gear?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

drtbear1967: Thank you very much for the informative post


I have naturally a higher female testo level (I guess) and I dont take "the pill" so no test gel for me




:dizzy:

I was thinking about competing, but since my upper body is very bad + this info about the pros, I will think about it again


Yes, same opinion [emoji106]



I would try Primo but there is only Primo Depo out to buy I guess, I will stick to Var for the first cycle. Too dangerous to get that shit out if I get side effects :drooling:


So if I take Var 6 Weeks with 10mg/day, I will have to rest 12 weeks with any cycle, right?



Good tips, thank you very much. I hope I dont get in trouble when a package gets opened by customs officials, I have to import my stuff :disgust:




Ofc :sport:
I will start my cycle March or June this year.

This is how I look now after two years of lifting natty: The lower body is growing but my upper body is very weak. Hopefully I will get much better.

I'm very excited for my first cycle yeaa

Anyone else experience with ladies and gear?

There is primo acetate injectable available at almost any place that has legit primo. Most have the enathate and the acetate.
The anavar is good BUT PRIMO is so much safer.
The best way to do it if enathate would be only option would be to start with less first run. 50-75 mg week check for sides.
And with anavar top.
But most importantly u gotta test lab max first and let supplier know.

But u always can get Pharma Grade

PCT Shop has good pct products and some Pharma Pct products
PCT is very important!!!



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[Muscle mechanic]

U also would be happy with what ostarine at 12.5 a day does for woman.
This wouldn't have liver or androgenic sides.
Just get from a good place.
Because it's a SARM it is available here at MC Store but I don't know laws in your country or shipping policies.
But it's definitely worth u checking on.
Woman can safely use osta at that dose for 8 weeks on 8 off.
There is a woman on here that I have seen with success from several things

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[Mara]

There is primo acetate injectable available at almost any place that has legit primo. Most have the enathate and the acetate.
The anavar is good BUT PRIMO is so much safer.
The best way to do it if enathate would be only option would be to start with less first run. 50-75 mg week check for sides.
And with anavar top.

Yes, I decided the run the cycle with Primo + Var :chinese:

But most importantly u gotta test lab max first and let supplier know.

But u always can get Pharma Grade

PCT Shop has good pct products and some Pharma Pct products
PCT is very important!!!

Thx I will do that :chinese:

U also would be happy with what ostarine at 12.5 a day does for woman.
This wouldn't have liver or androgenic sides.
Just get from a good place.
Because it's a SARM it is available here at MC Store but I don't know laws in your country or shipping policies.
But it's definitely worth u checking on.
Woman can safely use osta at that dose for 8 weeks on 8 off.
There is a woman on here that I have seen with success from several things

Ah thx, may I ask who she is?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Yes, I decided the run the cycle with Primo + Var :chinese:


Thx I will do that :chinese:


Ah thx, may I ask who she is?

@Silk is one I have noticed does well and is familiar with things

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[Mara]

@Silk is one I have noticed does well and is familiar with things

Thank you very much :thumbsup:

 

[drtbear1967]

Haven't see Silk or The Dude for months.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Haven't see Silk or The Dude for months.

Yeah I know. But she does have knowledge about what works safe for women.
I think the dude was trying to finish school get his degree and they are just busy

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[Mara]

I wrote SilkQuads a PM, she has not answered yet. But I hope she will. Her last login was 11-22-2016 02:14

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I wrote SilkQuads a PM, she has not answered yet. But I hope she will. Her last login was 11-22-2016 02:14

They didn't go anywhere they just been busy with life and focusing on husband getting degree if I understood right

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[Muscle mechanic]

I wrote SilkQuads a PM, she has not answered yet. But I hope she will. Her last login was 11-22-2016 02:14

I know she used some sarms and igf.

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[drtbear1967]

She swears by IGF, I remember reading all of her post. I have my wife of IGF right now due to some ligament issues.

 

[Mara]

I have my wife of IGF right now due to some ligament issues.

I know IGF or any growth hormone will come without the possible virilization but is it worth to use it because I read about organ enlargement etc from long term usage

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I know IGF or any growth hormone will come without the possible virilization but is it worth to use it because I read about organ enlargement etc from long term usage

I have been using MC igf at 60-80mcg a day for 8 weeks and I don't intend to stop.
I know people on this forum that have used it for 7-10 years.
Igf doesn't really do that or gh except in sick doses.
U inject 40mcg for a woman
So 20 mcg on each side directly into muscles worked.
That is a myth about igf. It doesn't even travel thru body much at all like they once thought.
U use it into muscles trained right before workout or immediately after
the half life doesn't mean much cause once bound it's used up and bound it won't travel to intestinal area if it doesn't have to.
It's going to go into damaged muscle cells receptors peroid.

Exercise increases heart and organs.
And it's recommend by the dr

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[drtbear1967]

If would have to be massive dosages and for an extended period of time. Igf would be awesome for you, IMO.

 

[Mara]

I have been using MC igf at 60-80mcg a day for 8 weeks and I don't intend to stop.
I know people on this forum that have used it for 7-10 years.
Igf doesn't really do that or gh except in sick doses.
U inject 40mcg for a woman
So 20 mcg on each side directly into muscles worked.
That is a myth about igf. It doesn't even travel thru body much at all like they once thought.
U use it into muscles trained right before workout or immediately after
the half life doesn't mean much cause once bound it's used up and bound it won't travel to intestinal area if it doesn't have to.
It's going to go into damaged muscle cells receptors peroid.

Exercise increases heart and organs.
And it's recommend by the dr

Okay. But it would also support the growth of tumors and stuff like that, doesnt it?
Im still a bit scrad of growth stuff. But if you guys say so.
How about keeping gains with IFG? And how expensive is it?

If would have to be massive dosages and for an extended period of time. Igf would be awesome for you, IMO.

Before Var and Primo?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Okay. But it would also support the growth of tumors and stuff like that, doesnt it?
Im still a bit scrad of growth stuff. But if you guys say so.
How about keeping gains with IFG? And how expensive is it?


Before Var and Primo?

I am just telling u that igf us safe to cycle. Use it a couple months on a couple off. There is no evidence that says igf or gh makes tumors grow.
There is only inconclusive findings.
As far as I know it's e2 that is the enemy and free radicals in these things.
I only would use igf 1lr3 from MC Store
Muscle Chemistry Advanced Supplements
There is nothing wrong with var or primo.
I am only telling u there are other options to rotate with. Including SARMS


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