bulk/maintain/cut - steroid regiment

[Styel]

Hey guys I am about to jump on my 3rd cycle and it will include a bulk phase, a maintain phase, and a cut phase. I was curious if anyone would like to go over and shout over their experiences and give some advice on it. This will be my 3rd cycle and have been on TRT for about a year.

BULK (September 1[SUP]st[/SUP]- December 31[SUP]st[/SUP])
Week 1-16 Test E 600 weekly
Week 1-16 Deca 600 weekly
Week 1-6 Dbol 50mg ED
Week 12-16 Anadroll 100mg ED
Week 1-16 HCG 500iu weekly
Week 1-16 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD increase as needed
Maintain (January 1[SUP]st[/SUP]- February 28[SUP]th[/SUP])
Week 1-2 Test E 600 weekly
Week 3-8 Test E 300 weekly
Week 1-8 HCG 500iu weekly
Week 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD increase as needed
CUT (March 1[SUP]st[/SUP]- May 31[SUP]st[/SUP])
Week 1-12 Test E 600 Weekly
Week 1-12 Tren E 400 Weekly
Week 1-12 Clen cycling bi weekly on and off
Week 1-12 T3 50mcg ED
Week 1-12 HCG 500iu weekly
Week 1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD increase as needed
Return to TRT 2 weeks after last pin
Test E 300
Week 1-4 nolva tapered with blood work

 

[amaru]

12 weeks of 400 tren? Have you ran it that high before. Surly BP will be an issue coupled with Clen.

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[Styel]

I have ran it before but for 8 weeks, and was running 400 the whole time through. Think I should cut the Tren to 200 for that long? and it is tren E not tren A, so its a bi weekly injection instead of an EOD with tren A. Think thats the only thing i should change on the cycle though?

 

[amaru]

Tren E sides tend to be worse than acetate. It's up to you, I would just suggest caution.

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[amaru]

I find Clen more.of a pain than Tren. But I'm weird. I feel great on Tren...hahaha

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[OnTheRise]

That is a pretty long amount of time to suppress natural testosterone. I knownI would not do it that long but I am only 20 as well.

 

[Presser]

That is a pretty long amount of time to suppress natural testosterone. I knownI would not do it that long but I am only 20 as well.

you have a pm daddio

 

[drtbear1967]

That is a long time to run tren a or e. IMO

 

[Styel]

That is a long time to run tren a or e. IMO

So what the advice i have been receiving over the past few days on different forums is cut the clen/T3 and lower the tren to 200, the only controversially thing i have been hearing is the HCG, do you mind shooting some insight about that? ive heard not to run it the whole cycle and to blast it during my maintain faze and when i finish but a few have also said that the way i have it looks solid.

 

[Iron Game]

I don't see the need for HCG if your on HRT. I know some people advocate using it to keep your nuts from shriveling up. I don't see the point.

 

[Styel]

I don't see the need for HCG if your on HRT. I know some people advocate using it to keep your nuts from shriveling up. I don't see the point.

so besides the HCG the cycle looks solid?

 

[gandhisays]

Shouldnt it be Bulk, Cut then Maintain. otherwise its really Bulk, Bulk Cut

 

[Styel]

Shouldnt it be Bulk, Cut then Maintain. otherwise its really Bulk, Bulk Cut

well the reason for maintain is to get my body used to lower test, so when i go back up my receptors respond to it better, but i am seriously debating about getting of test completely and trying to restart my free test with spiking HCG and coming of and doing a complete recovery for 3 months before I do my cut, but i am not sure how well that will go since i have been on test E for such a long time, I am actually getting blood work done Monday to figure out my free test as of now.

 

[Iron Game]

This sounds like a good idea to me. If you are able to get your natural test rolling again then by all means you need to come off for at a minimum the same amount of time you were on. I doubt you need to be on that much gear for that long either way. If you need HRT then go back to your HRT dose like 200mg of test a week until your cut cycle. If you are able to get your natural test back to good values then come off completely get your natty test back and maintain what you can without gear before you start your cut. Look at adding other things that are not suppressive like MC IGF-1. I would actually add it either way.

You mentioned you had done 2 prior cycles detail what they were and what your gains were like?

well the reason for maintain is to get my body used to lower test, so when i go back up my receptors respond to it better, but i am seriously debating about getting of test completely and trying to restart my free test with spiking HCG and coming of and doing a complete recovery for 3 months before I do my cut, but i am not sure how well that will go since i have been on test E for such a long time, I am actually getting blood work done Monday to figure out my free test as of now.

 

[Styel]

This sounds like a good idea to me. If you are able to get your natural test rolling again then by all means you need to come off for at a minimum the same amount of time you were on. I doubt you need to be on that much gear for that long either way. If you need HRT then go back to your HRT dose like 200mg of test a week until your cut cycle. If you are able to get your natural test back to good values then come off completely get your natty test back and maintain what you can without gear before you start your cut. Look at adding other things that are not suppressive like MC IGF-1. I would actually add it either way.

You mentioned you had done 2 prior cycles detail what they were and what your gains were like?

First cycle was test only at 600mg for about 12 weeks and put on about 15lbs of lean mass and absolutely loved it. But my 2nd cycle i was going through a faze back when I was keto and did test/tren/dbol of 12 weeks only the first 4 had dbol, and I didn't pit nearly as much on and that was 100% on me for how I was eating. I wasted that cycle completely by coming out of keto because my proteins where too high and I didn't eat nearly as much carbs or food in general, I probably could of ate about an additional 1500-2k cals and carbs and saw way better results than I did. I jacked up a good cycle because of it but but still saw about 8lbs of lean mass an dropped close to 2% bf