SubQ Test Injections - Study

[drtbear1967]

Most people inject test via IM, but there is new evidence suggesting that injecting subcutaneously(subQ) works just as well, if not better.

This paper is just one of many that show you can reach the same therapeutic levels of testosterone injecting subQ vs IM once a week. A similar study showed males injecting 50-60mg once a week subQ had average total testosterone levels of 608ng/dL(normal is 200-1000ng/DL). Free test was also normal with an average of 5.99ng/dL with a peak of 8.52ng/dL. Interestingly, aromatase is more abundant in fat cells vs muscle cells so I thought injecting subQ might raise estrogen levels higher, however that was not the case in any of the studies. In all studies, subQ is the preferred method. Upon speaking with Dante, I switched my HRT protocol to 60mg subQ 3x a week and have been loving it. I will get my blood work checked shortly, but overall I feel just as good as IM and love the small subQ shots. The main issue is you can't shoot 3mL at a time like IM, you can only do small amounts. But, if you're just cruising or on HRT, this is a nice break from pinning IM. As more data comes I'll keep you

 

[yellow snow]

I like it that way better; however I stop doing it this way in the summer due to how lean I get and the occasional knot that last for a week or two. On the rare occasion I get bruising this way as well.

 

[pgb]

so, where are you boys pinning to find enough subq tissue. i have ab fat still on me, and that would work fine. i'm just wondering about when you all lean out a lot, like yellow snow is talking about, i think.

 

[Iron Game]

Most people inject test via IM, but there is new evidence suggesting that injecting subcutaneously(subQ) works just as well, if not better.

This paper is just one of many that show you can reach the same therapeutic levels of testosterone injecting subQ vs IM once a week. A similar study showed males injecting 50-60mg once a week subQ had average total testosterone levels of 608ng/dL(normal is 200-1000ng/DL). Free test was also normal with an average of 5.99ng/dL with a peak of 8.52ng/dL. Interestingly, aromatase is more abundant in fat cells vs muscle cells so I thought injecting subQ might raise estrogen levels higher, however that was not the case in any of the studies. In all studies, subQ is the preferred method. Upon speaking with Dante, I switched my HRT protocol to 60mg subQ 3x a week and have been loving it. I will get my blood work checked shortly, but overall I feel just as good as IM and love the small subQ shots. The main issue is you can't shoot 3mL at a time like IM, you can only do small amounts. But, if you're just cruising or on HRT, this is a nice break from pinning IM. As more data comes I'll keep you

Yeah let us know!

 

[Iron Game]

so, where are you boys pinning to find enough subq tissue. i have ab fat still on me, and that would work fine. i'm just wondering about when you all lean out a lot, like yellow snow is talking about, i think.

I was wondering the same thing

 

[drtbear1967]

I have heard of people pinning in their elbows. Tri and Bi's but you do have to watch out for knots. The key is going slow.

 

[IronHound]

I actually inject my HCG and Test in 1 shot, draw the test first flip the vial for the HCG upside down. Test is in oil so it's heavier than the HCG and will stay on top. Inject both sub-q or IM. I have had blood tests after trying both with minimal differences.

 

[Miguels]

I did sub q a few times and prefer IM over sub q.. sub q burns a bit more and leaves a knot that last about a week.

 

[pgb]

don't think i would like pinning any joint. have pinned hgh in delt joint area, but there is plenty of tissue covering the joint. the only thing i will pin subq now is hgh or igf or other peptide. everything else gets a one inch pin, at least, including bis and tris. my biceps have no subq fat, but i still won't pin them with a half inch.

 

[LeatherHead]

So, pinning subq could eliminate pip in the muscle group, correct? I like that idea. There are just some things that I pin that leave me hurting to the point where I don't want to use the muscle. I'd pin subq every day if I had to, to keep from pip in my main muscle groups.

 

[drtbear1967]

I heard from a Doc that said if your are in the muscle, you are in the muscle. It doesn't make a big difference if it is a half inch or a inch and a half.

 

[LeatherHead]

I heard from a Doc that said if your are in the muscle, you are in the muscle. It doesn't make a big difference if it is a half inch or a inch and a half.

My doc said the same thing. He said only go longer pins after you have some scar tissue building up, so you can get past it.

 

[pgb]

docs/scientists will also say there is no difference in vitamins, such as chelation or sterate forms. i imagine they would also say about the same for types of test long esters. c or e would be the same for them, because they are only looking at it as test and not type. problem is the body knows the difference, as well as i did when i used a half inch pin. lol.
not trying to be a dick about it, but that has been my experience when talking with docs or scientist.

 

[pgb]

i've also used an inch pin on my glute and it was different than using an inch and a half.

 

[drtbear1967]

But isn't it nice that we can have a discussion and no one goes off flaming each other? You guys Rock!! I am proud to be a part of this community.

 

[pgb]

But isn't it nice that we can have a discussion and no one goes off flaming each other? You guys Rock!! I am proud to be a part of this community.

me too drtbear. i appreciate being able to have a logical rational discussion as well. it's fantastic to have a wealth of information with not only science, but real life experience being expressed here.

 

[Presser]

Still can’t bring myself to try subcutaneous hormone / testosterone injections. And sure as shit aint gonna be doing elbows like mentioned above lmao wtf!

 

[drtbear1967]

To clarify, not in the elbow joint, but in the skin/subq around the elbow.