Dear tren gurus and lovers I seek some advice...

[guardianactual]

So, last time I used "tren" I was not using a lot. It was 50mg to 75mg EOD. The "tren" was unlabeled and almost every hormone was the same color. The source I think, gave us deca, but IDK. It killed my dick I used NPP before and it was similar to what I injected that time as tren. My buddy blew the fuck up from like 225 to 255 he looked like he was prego and retaining massive water... thus the reason we both think it wasnt tren.

This go, I'm at 450mg a week. Massive anxiety, which is making me lethargic I think. Strength is increasing, I at times feel like superman other times sad, saw a puppy the other day, laugh if you will, I love dogs, and he was in a cage and wanted out and it made me sad. I cant think about it.

Got cut off earlier, went off I fucking lost it and it made me insanely sick. I can't sleep I get like 2 hours I was getting 6 to 8.... now fuck sleep. I am hard as fuck muscle wise, dick well, only after cialis thank god for that shit, my dick was as bad as when I was on npp before I added masteron.

I am using masteron too, and still sex drive is dead... and before tren I was a fucking machine, now I need cialis...

Oh, this tren if it matters lmao is dark amber I am more than certain this is the real fucking deal. My cardio is complete shit too.

Ok, question part... should I just lower the dosage? Like I said, it's probably my first time with tren like not under dosed iffy tren, real potent shit. So, like, do I like lower it to 300 or something so I can function? Any suggestions? I am all ears people definitely can't take the sides so far... the indigestion alone is outragous. 300mg of rx zantac and still have heartburn. Zantac clears my acid in 30 mins, on this fuck you lmao deal with the burn... fuck.

 

[drtbear1967]

Are you running anything to address the side effects?

 

[guardianactual]

Are you running anything to address the side effects?

I always forget to list stuff like that. I am on 1mg a week of cababer. No AI tho since my test is below 300mg

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I always forget to list stuff like that. I am on 1mg a week of cababer. No AI tho since my test is below 300mg

I don't use so when test is under 300.
I run like I told u before
Daily
75 tren a
Test prop 50
Mast prop 150
MC Nolva 10 mg
MC anti p .5 a week
Proviron 50-100 a day
Anavar low last time Balken 30-40 mg
MC adex maybe .5 @2× week
CIALIS 10-15MG a day only for bp
And it helps Mr PeckerWood
Once I get below 10% bf I can go thru whole workout in supersets with only 45min to 1 min rest
3 to 4 movements bam bang bam bam!!!
Pause rest and back!!!
The anxiety is from estro Imo!
I don't get it with this combo
I love the night sweats that's fat lose brother.
I sleep most of time!!!

Relax, chill, tell yourself u doing this all for a purpose say it over and over.
Tell yourself that it's gonna be ok u don't need to have your way!
It's that right there that's the problem trust me!!
Live and let live!!!
Tell yourself u are gonna be training in AM while others sleep! That's right they
Can have there way becauseif the sh8t goes down u gonna be ready.
And your little secret is u have a pet little beast named tren!!!




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[Muscle mechanic]

So, last time I used "tren" I was not using a lot. It was 50mg to 75mg EOD. The "tren" was unlabeled and almost every hormone was the same color. The source I think, gave us deca, but IDK. It killed my dick I used NPP before and it was similar to what I injected that time as tren. My buddy blew the fuck up from like 225 to 255 he looked like he was prego and retaining massive water... thus the reason we both think it wasnt tren.

This go, I'm at 450mg a week. Massive anxiety, which is making me lethargic I think. Strength is increasing, I at times feel like superman other times sad, saw a puppy the other day, laugh if you will, I love dogs, and he was in a cage and wanted out and it made me sad. I cant think about it.

Got cut off earlier, went off I fucking lost it and it made me insanely sick. I can't sleep I get like 2 hours I was getting 6 to 8.... now fuck sleep. I am hard as fuck muscle wise, dick well, only after cialis thank god for that shit, my dick was as bad as when I was on npp before I added masteron.

I am using masteron too, and still sex drive is dead... and before tren I was a fucking machine, now I need cialis...

Oh, this tren if it matters lmao is dark amber I am more than certain this is the real fucking deal. My cardio is complete shit too.

Ok, question part... should I just lower the dosage? Like I said, it's probably my first time with tren like not under dosed iffy tren, real potent shit. So, like, do I like lower it to 300 or something so I can function? Any suggestions? I am all ears people definitely can't take the sides so far... the indigestion alone is outragous. 300mg of rx zantac and still have heartburn. Zantac clears my acid in 30 mins, on this fuck you lmao deal with the burn... fuck.

I use zantac 150, tagament, pepcid ac,
Those all work first 2 better or faster!

I used some clear tren that was the strongest I ever had!!!
DTWTF, but it was an enathate, which I used years and years but I nearly thought I was gonna have heart attack when it kicked in.
But as I have gotten older I learned aromatase of test on tren increased CNS function more, estro causes anxiety high with tren or not, and CNS
Stimulation if tren from strong androgen make things hey wire, why???
Because dht is our natural inhibitor of estrogen but tren is 5x more androgenic than testosterone BUT it doesn't convert to actual dht like test does.
Presence of estro Lower conversion of test to dht.
And why alone stimulates CNS but in nature's way without estro because it fights estro.
So I lower test to stop estro conversion
And add dht compound Proviron and mast prop to do what shy does at receptors like it should, and beat estro and latch on to androgen receptors in a way that is more natural than what tren and it's progestin backbone does with androgenic of 500 rating!!!
Free test is what we get more of with mast and proviron and that is mind stability against high estro.
An so isn't the answer hear!!! Tren also lowers estro too!
We wanna bind to receptors in a natural dht way not crash lipids from an ai.
We wanna have an ai but use should be minimal.
Nolva 10 mg a day the way to go!
Proviron
Mast
Test low
Tren at 75 is enough in most cases
Higher gives more CNS and is useful in the immune and for more fat loss but not for everyone!!
This is my story and I am sticking to it!!!

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[Masher59]

Ok here's what I would do first and see what happens. I take it you are using the same amount of test prop as tren Ace so try this. Get a long ester test blend high mg 400 or 500 and start it Monday and Thursday 1ml. Keep everything else the same.

 

[guardianactual]

I don't use so when test is under 300.
I run like I told u before
Daily
75 tren a
Test prop 50
Mast prop 150
MC Nolva 10 mg
MC anti p .5 a week
Proviron 50-100 a day
Anavar low last time Balken 30-40 mg
MC adex maybe .5 @2× week
CIALIS 10-15MG a day only for bp
And it helps Mr PeckerWood
Once I get below 10% bf I can go thru whole workout in supersets with only 45min to 1 min rest
3 to 4 movements bam bang bam bam!!!
Pause rest and back!!!
The anxiety is from estro Imo!
I don't get it with this combo
I love the night sweats that's fat lose brother.
I sleep most of time!!!

Relax, chill, tell yourself u doing this all for a purpose say it over and over.
Tell yourself that it's gonna be ok u don't need to have your way!
It's that right there that's the problem trust me!!
Live and let live!!!
Tell yourself u are gonna be training in AM while others sleep! That's right they
Can have there way becauseif the sh8t goes down u gonna be ready.
And your little secret is u have a pet little beast named tren!!!




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I wasnt sure what to feel on tren, I didn't expect the fatigue. I'll keep it at the 450.. I hear run test low and others run test higher. I'm a 1/3 of test/tren. I will bump up test to 300mg EW and 450mg tren maybe I'll shoot ED instead of EOD? Idk, I am pretty tired of ED shots I was on tne and it got old quick lmao.

 

[guardianactual]

I use zantac 150, tagament, pepcid ac,
Those all work first 2 better or faster!

I used some clear tren that was the strongest I ever had!!!
DTWTF, but it was an enathate, which I used years and years but I nearly thought I was gonna have heart attack when it kicked in.
But as I have gotten older I learned aromatase of test on tren increased CNS function more, estro causes anxiety high with tren or not, and CNS
Stimulation if tren from strong androgen make things hey wire, why???
Because dht is our natural inhibitor of estrogen but tren is 5x more androgenic than testosterone BUT it doesn't convert to actual dht like test does.
Presence of estro Lower conversion of test to dht.
And why alone stimulates CNS but in nature's way without estro because it fights estro.
So I lower test to stop estro conversion
And add dht compound Proviron and mast prop to do what shy does at receptors like it should, and beat estro and latch on to androgen receptors in a way that is more natural than what tren and it's progestin backbone does with androgenic of 500 rating!!!
Free test is what we get more of with mast and proviron and that is mind stability against high estro.
An so isn't the answer hear!!! Tren also lowers estro too!
We wanna bind to receptors in a natural dht way not crash lipids from an ai.
We wanna have an ai but use should be minimal.
Nolva 10 mg a day the way to go!
Proviron
Mast
Test low
Tren at 75 is enough in most cases
Higher gives more CNS and is useful in the immune and for more fat loss but not for everyone!!
This is my story and I am sticking to it!!!

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I was going to say, from what you said as I read it, perhaps nolva... and you did mention it. I have adex, asin and nolva clomid too. I do have some proviron, but not a ton. I have a substantial amount of masteron p and am using it, so I didn't see a need for an AI... plus my test is 150mg a week.

 

[guardianactual]

Ok here's what I would do first and see what happens. I take it you are using the same amount of test prop as tren Ace so try this. Get a long ester test blend high mg 400 or 500 and start it Monday and Thursday 1ml. Keep everything else the same.

Ok, so you think Test E at 400mg or so EW with TA kept at the 450mg ew? My issue you think is the test? I'm ok with night sweats as long as I stay super hydrated. I agree sweating means fat loss haha. But I do have this question about the 400mg long test.... it will obviously take a few weeks to kick in, should I continue the test p or what? Lmao

 

[guardianactual]

I don't use so when test is under 300.
I run like I told u before
Daily
75 tren a
Test prop 50
Mast prop 150
MC Nolva 10 mg
MC anti p .5 a week
Proviron 50-100 a day
Anavar low last time Balken 30-40 mg
MC adex maybe .5 @2× week
CIALIS 10-15MG a day only for bp
And it helps Mr PeckerWood
Once I get below 10% bf I can go thru whole workout in supersets with only 45min to 1 min rest
3 to 4 movements bam bang bam bam!!!
Pause rest and back!!!
The anxiety is from estro Imo!
I don't get it with this combo
I love the night sweats that's fat lose brother.
I sleep most of time!!!

Relax, chill, tell yourself u doing this all for a purpose say it over and over.
Tell yourself that it's gonna be ok u don't need to have your way!
It's that right there that's the problem trust me!!
Live and let live!!!
Tell yourself u are gonna be training in AM while others sleep! That's right they
Can have there way becauseif the sh8t goes down u gonna be ready.
And your little secret is u have a pet little beast named tren!!!




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45 mins in between sets??? Holy shit! Lmao I am kidding, but 45 seconds is a bit harder right now. I am definitely sweating hard while I lift. I mean, I sweat off cycle, but this is next level with tren, seriously. I need more water per day than normal, but that makes sense to me seem to need more everything on cycle..

I get gased from tren for sure.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I was going to say, from what you said as I read it, perhaps nolva... and you did mention it. I have adex, asin and nolva clomid too. I do have some proviron, but not a ton. I have a substantial amount of masteron p and am using it, so I didn't see a need for an AI... plus my test is 150mg a week.

I would keep test around 300 a week.
Maybe your estro is low!
But mast p and proviron for some reason help me and slot of others with tren.
I used to use it no problem, but I had no issue last run with my doses like I said but we all different.
I am used to high test but it's with tren it helped me to lower.
It to 300 which is nothing for me, but it all depends on what our body does with hormone response

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[Masher59]

Ok, so you think Test E at 400mg or so EW with TA kept at the 450mg ew? My issue you think is the test? I'm ok with night sweats as long as I stay super hydrated. I agree sweating means fat loss haha. But I do have this question about the 400mg long test.... it will obviously take a few weeks to kick in, should I continue the test p or what? Lmao

I went that route because it's cheaper than upping the test P. If you want to just up the P then double your current dose of test P and see if your libido comes back and you feel better. I pin 6cc per day but I'm not sure how much you are used to pinning a day.

 

[Iron Game]

I am old school I use 2/1 test/tren. I have never had any problems with lethargy while on tren. As far as the mood swings I am like that all the time. No matter what I am on or not on. The rage, sadness etc. just is what it is.
IMO upping the test levels would help with the lethargy and sexual desire. On the mood disturbances I like what MM had to say. Its all for a purpose. On the color of the tren a. The best tren a I have used was clear. Color has little to do with the potency. Most of the time it has more to do with how long it was cooked and the oil used.

I didn't get a chance to comment on the question you asked about the cardarine. The worst side I notice from tren a is my inability to catch my breath after sets. This tren run I am not having a problem. I focus on my breathing more than when I am not on tren to help control it but besides that the 20mg of Cardarine I got from www.thesupplementoutlet.com and my breathing has been good. Also I am using the Cardarine to help with cholesterol and so far so good. Knock on wood it will continue to be that way. I have also been using Aqua-Alis 10mg ed to help with BP and BPH symptoms.

I hope that helps...

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I went that route because it's cheaper than upping the test P. If you want to just up the P then double your current dose of test P and see if your libido comes back and you feel better. I pin 6cc per day but I'm not sure how much you are used to pinning a day.

Agreed

 

[Iron Game]

I do like the idea of adding Proviron. I started Proviron 25 mg / day I take it blast or cruse. It has helped with test/estro.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I was going to say, from what you said as I read it, perhaps nolva... and you did mention it. I have adex, asin and nolva clomid too. I do have some proviron, but not a ton. I have a substantial amount of masteron p and am using it, so I didn't see a need for an AI... plus my test is 150mg a week.

I had some auto spell typo's and still on meds from surgery's excuse me. Lol!
But I thought your test was at 300 right now. Lol! Sorry!
Didn't realize it was 150 wk!
I used to be old school like iron game but get a different reaction now.
Someone I trust told me look, I will give u a plan follow it and u will be ok.
So I did and it was last cut before u got rupture butt!!! Lol!
I difference helped and the mast and proviron did wonders.
I am still taking proviron I will keep taking it.
I have Bayer now using at 50 a day and let my day EP(europharmacies) brand and plat-bio-tech or just as good as Bayer!!! Just saying.
I have all three of those and they all good! It is they are as expensive as Anavar which makes me strong as hell x2 with tren.

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[Muscle mechanic]

I am old school I use 2/1 test/tren. I have never had any problems with lethargy while on tren. As far as the mood swings I am like that all the time. No matter what I am on or not on. The rage, sadness etc. just is what it is.
IMO upping the test levels would help with the lethargy and sexual desire. On the mood disturbances I like what MM had to say. Its all for a purpose. On the color of the tren a. The best tren a I have used was clear. Color has little to do with the potency. Most of the time it has more to do with how long it was cooked and the oil used.

I didn't get a chance to comment on the question you asked about the cardarine. The worst side I notice from tren a is my inability to catch my breath after sets. This tren run I am not having a problem. I focus on my breathing more than when I am not on tren to help control it but besides that the 20mg of Cardarine I got from www.thesupplementoutlet.com and my breathing has been good. Also I am using the Cardarine to help with cholesterol and so far so good. Knock on wood it will continue to be that way. I have also been using Aqua-Alis 10mg ed to help with BP and BPH symptoms.

I hope that helps...

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Agreed

Hey IG, I am that way too all the time.
On edge get angry then depressed and sad after. I am really hard on myself and feel guilt easy about hurting others feeling or running them wrong way, people I though I care about and friends too. Off subject but not really I recently started clonazepam lowest dose 2x a day but one at night helps me even through next day.
Told Dr I would take them but only that dose not to go up!
Of coarse I take my adhd, OCD, and other med too!!
I am wired like that too and if u don't stay to myself people tend to bring that bad out in me they use it against me to make ass out of myself.

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[Iron Game]

Hey IG, I am that way too all the time.
On edge get angry then depressed and sad after. I am really hard on myself and feel guilt easy about hurting others feeling or running them wrong way, people I though I care about and friends too. Off subject but not really I recently started clonazepam lowest dose 2x a day but one at night helps me even through next day.
Told Dr I would take them but only that dose not to go up!
Of coarse I take my adhd, OCD, and other med too!!
I am wired like that too and if u don't stay to myself people tend to bring that bad out in me they use it against me to make ass out of myself.

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100% brutha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stay to myself most of the time. You guys are my friends. You and my kids and wife are my friends and family. I feel guilty a lot, about blowing up. Thats why I usually think "roid rage" is b.s. I have taken more meds than most families take altogether. It never makes a dent. I don't notice anything. When I leave my house I feel like a machine set to "on guard" status. Sad but fucking true. I have been this way all my life. I watch everyone like they are the enemy and if something happens, I react by pouncing on them. Truthfully I don't even have a chance to count to 10. It dosent matter where I am, whos with me, or whos with them. Its terrible!
I feel like its a war zone and shit is going to happen. Not if its going to happen but when its going to happen. And I have to be ready for it, LOL!

I have been able to hide from myself in the bottle or drugs before but you and I know how that ends.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I wasnt sure what to feel on tren, I didn't expect the fatigue. I'll keep it at the 450.. I hear run test low and others run test higher. I'm a 1/3 of test/tren. I will bump up test to 300mg EW and 450mg tren maybe I'll shoot ED instead of EOD? Idk, I am pretty tired of ED shots I was on tne and it got old quick lmao.

It's not same. Have your easy access together I sleep much better if I use everyday in morning on tren.
Do i have ones using together in box easy to get easy to put away.
I rotate glutes right, left, then outer thighs I always pin highest point because depot or knot I get from short esters falls with gravity and next time in that spot I can use same highest spot because I can feel where depot feel!


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[guardianactual]

I am old school I use 2/1 test/tren. I have never had any problems with lethargy while on tren. As far as the mood swings I am like that all the time. No matter what I am on or not on. The rage, sadness etc. just is what it is.
IMO upping the test levels would help with the lethargy and sexual desire. On the mood disturbances I like what MM had to say. Its all for a purpose. On the color of the tren a. The best tren a I have used was clear. Color has little to do with the potency. Most of the time it has more to do with how long it was cooked and the oil used.

I didn't get a chance to comment on the question you asked about the cardarine. The worst side I notice from tren a is my inability to catch my breath after sets. This tren run I am not having a problem. I focus on my breathing more than when I am not on tren to help control it but besides that the 20mg of Cardarine I got from www.thesupplementoutlet.com and my breathing has been good. Also I am using the Cardarine to help with cholesterol and so far so good. Knock on wood it will continue to be that way. I have also been using Aqua-Alis 10mg ed to help with BP and BPH symptoms.

I hope that helps...

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Agreed

Given tren's chemical makeup is like Decas, I too wanted to do the same 2/1 as you would with deca. But frienxs4and even those on forums said other way... not going great I might add..

Now, I got 3ml syringes, I have never shot more than 3ml per shot. So, dosage for me isn't an issue. I have a bunch of test p and some longer ones and a few sus250. Now, at 450mg of tren, I'd be one 900mg if test p... that is a lot of juice and a decent amount of pins.

Personally I prefer to not shoot ED especially since I plan at least 8 weeks on tren. So, do I get 5ml syringes? Shoot higher dosed test like test e or sus or what? Lmao also I do have proviron, not much, around 1000.g total I was saving for my pct or shortly after...

Oh and I am also using hcg 250mg EOD.

 

[guardianactual]

After reading a little more about tren, I have this conclusion... Like with everything, diet training, supplement whatever, it seems to come down to personal preference.

Some, like you guys, say higher test than tren others, are opposite. Guess I need to experiment... also with color, I did notice one guy I buy off of, had a very deep colored tren he was just starting and was telling me about baking it. When I looked it up it said tren shouldnt be baked long or at a higher temp I think it was like 225f and he was at 300f and it was DARK. So I agree on that bake process.

Ok, back to dosage... here is one thing I read.... and the reason I choose my route... Mind you, jmit doesn't seem to be working out for me... BUT maybe Tren isn't for me? Time will tell...

"1) Always keep prolactin in check when using Trenbolone or Nandrolone
2) Never use more than 200mg of Testosterone per week when using Trenbolone
3) Don’t knock something till you try it. It may change your entire mindset of this game!
4) Bump up Tren nice and slow...and get big and lean as FUCK!"