1st time tren user

[Boomer]

Hey guys it's been such a long while since I've posted...we had another kid and life has been hectic.

Now I have my shit together and have been training solid for a while.

All my previous cycles were all based around test.e generally around the 500 -750mg mark with dbol or m1t kickers. Last one I did I ran some decca and enjoyed it....ive had my sights on trying tren for a long while and I think that's the direction I'm heading soon. My question for you guys is should I keep my test dosage on the lower end and let the tren do most the work?

Was thinking of 75mg eod tren with 375 or 500mg test

Another question...should I stick with test e or move onto prop?

 

[trekrider215]

I would experiement with doses and see which works best for you. Constantly we hear that tren competes for receptors with test, and because it's stronger it always wins.. This implies that larger doses of testosterone are pointless or counterproductive. I think this is absolute nonsense.

I've experimented with both low and high test. I would say it more so just depends on your goals! That's number one. If you're really trying to cut 200-300 test with 300-500 tren works great. Bulking, gaining, or strength athletes can benefit greatly from higher test with low-moderate tren.

My personal favorite dosages are around 500-600 Test, 350-500 tren. I like keeping my normal trt dose of cyp in there and then adding test prop in. I like the use of prop because it's much more adjustable. That's definitey something to consider.

If you use prop you can adjust up or down much quicker and make assessments and not have to wake weeks for the slow response of the long ester test. I personally like a bit of aromatization with my tren. My golden combo is like 200 cyp, 350 prop.. 350-525 tren, 350-525 npp, 50mg/day Proviron. doses are adjusted depending on progress and how I feel.

I would use short esters. Keep a log, and make notes of how you feeling each week and slowly play with the dosages to see what works best for you.

 

[Presser]

Thank God you said ITS NONESENSE!!!

and I never heard anyone say tren competes with test for receptor, and then wins cause it's stronger is bullshit! Whoever came up with that NONESENSE is a moron

my apologies sincerely for not adding anything useful to this thread but I couldn't believe what I was reading

 

[Masher59]

I don't know anything about what competes with what for what or any of that but here is what works for ME! I love tren and run it probably waay too much but I'm in contest prep most of the time and for me it's a must. I like to run equal amounts of test p to tren A so 100/100 or 125/125 EOD. Now I also like to add in Tren E twice a week 400mg Monday and 400mg Thursday. I have used it in so many ways with test and for about 6 weeks one time I ran no test at all with the tren ace and tren e but I started getting a little soft while fucking so I added the test back in but I was hard as a motherfucker muscle wise. Good starting point Test P 75/Ace 75. If you aren't really trying to peel and tighten up then start with a test 400 blend Monday and Thursday and 75mg tren ace EOD. This one worked well for me but I held a little more water than I wanted but I looked full and really good and I will tone it down for you, Sus 250/Tren A 75mg EOD (You will feel amazing). If you like sus then go with the last one, If you like a long ester 250 then just add 75mg Ace EOD. Good Luck.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I would experiement with doses and see which works best for you. Constantly we hear that tren competes for receptors with test, and because it's stronger it always wins.. This implies that larger doses of testosterone are pointless or counterproductive. I think this is absolute nonsense.

I've experimented with both low and high test. I would say it more so just depends on your goals! That's number one. If you're really trying to cut 200-300 test with 300-500 tren works great. Bulking, gaining, or strength athletes can benefit greatly from higher test with low-moderate tren.

My personal favorite dosages are around 500-600 Test, 350-500 tren. I like keeping my normal trt dose of cyp in there and then adding test prop in. I like the use of prop because it's much more adjustable. That's definitey something to consider.

If you use prop you can adjust up or down much quicker and make assessments and not have to wake weeks for the slow response of the long ester test. I personally like a bit of aromatization with my tren. My golden combo is like 200 cyp, 350 prop.. 350-525 tren, 350-525 npp, 50mg/day Proviron. doses are adjusted depending on progress and how I feel.

I would use short esters. Keep a log, and make notes of how you feeling each week and slowly play with the dosages to see what works best for you.

I agree 100% with tren Lower being key!
Because I can use prop 50 a day and tren 75 a day and mast 100+ a day and fine!!!

I believed in test higher for years and couldn't figure out why tren was so unbearable.

Tren wins to receptors on androgenic side and leaves more test floating to cause estro sides. Estro with something 5x androgenic and 5x anabolic like tren wuth progestin nature will have u in your rag.

Don't know it until u tried it.
Some run 50 tren eod. Lol that's not even enough to bother lower your test
Also tren and low test with mast will have u Horny as can be!

If u cutting keep tren higher


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[Muscle mechanic]

Thank God you said ITS NONESENSE!!!

and I never heard anyone say tren competes with test for receptor, and then wins cause it's stronger is bullshit! Whoever came up with that NONESENSE is a moron

my apologies sincerely for not adding anything useful to this thread but I couldn't believe what I was reading

My apologies boss, but androgens certain ones bind tightly to cells than others.
Masterone and proviron are a good example of this they bind to Shbg and also to estro cells and not allow aromomase to bind.
It's a fact on how things work!
And tren is 500:500 A:A test is 100:100
Tren binds so strong to certain receptors and not others it has been known or called selective!

A simple hormone test on tren and test uncapped and testing total testosterone and free. One with say 50mg test prop a day to 75 mg tren ace a day
Then take test with 100 prop 50 tren ace a day.
Oh yeah don't forget to include estro in test.
The result with be higher total t and higher free test at ratio of the more tren to test.

Also estro conversion and tren don't mix well. Tren is a progesterone 5x more androgenic than test. The androgenic nature of tren lowers estro all androgenic binding steroids do.
Tren doesn't convert to estro, but test does!!!
And I hope we all know that progest, prolactin need estro to be worth the worry it's a scientific fact!!!
So why leave test to aromatase and open that pathway, this is ignorant fellas!!!
Wanna know another example
Anadrol doesn't aromatase but will give progesterone bloat in on aromatasing steroid uncontrolled!!! Once again this pathway need estro to happen!!!
A stack that puts on lean bulk if done right
Is tren, anadrol, low test!!!
Reason sone guys can use adrol with no bloat and be big and cut! They know what they doing!!!

Regardless of any of it masterone and proviron ease tren sides because of their binding capabilities!!! They bind to receptors that we don't want tren to and us same with mast or Proviron with test and anything else!!! It binding abilities bind tight where it does!!!

Tren doesn't beat test to all receptors and and wins but it does to alot of them.
In the case of tren test is only necessary for free testosterone the crosses blood brain barrier and gives us our mood and we'll being of testosterone. This tren will not do or mast but they will sure bind to things that stop it.
Tren binds to cells stronger than testosterone period and that is reason it gets its rating of 500:500.
The part about the extra test....
It's not necessary unless u like estro and anxiety on tren


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[drtbear1967]

Great knowledge from the Master!!!! MM is the man.

 

[guardianactual]

Sooo I'm confused. Given how I feel week to week on tren has me wondering. My test is higher than tren, by double. I feel anxiety like crazy. To the point where my body feels almost numb. I do have other anabolics in my body. Deca, eq and masteron along with Proviron (why both proviron and masteron? I just added masteron if I aint mistaken jt takes 3 or so weeks to kick in)

Sooo any tips MM? Or is tren just gonna plague me with anxiety regardless? Estrogen should be controlles by aromasin and nolva should be blocking the receptor. So it cant be estrogen can it? Also using Anti P at 1mg a week.

 

[Masher59]

I would leave the masteron and stop the deca. Drop you test down to level with the tren and see how you feel. It's bro science to me but I don't mix tren and deca.

 

[guardianactual]

I would leave the masteron and stop the deca. Drop you test down to level with the tren and see how you feel. It's bro science to me but I don't mix tren and deca.

Yeah I know, not the best combo. Deca was just added for join support. But i guess if I don't use winny I won't need it as much. So even tren/test and see how that fits me?

 

[Masher59]

Yeah I know, not the best combo. Deca was just added for join support. But i guess if I don't use winny I won't need it as much. So even tren/test and see how that fits me?

Solid tren and test all the way.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Sooo I'm confused. Given how I feel week to week on tren has me wondering. My test is higher than tren, by double. I feel anxiety like crazy. To the point where my body feels almost numb. I do have other anabolics in my body. Deca, eq and masteron along with Proviron (why both proviron and masteron? I just added masteron if I aint mistaken jt takes 3 or so weeks to kick in)

Sooo any tips MM? Or is tren just gonna plague me with anxiety regardless? Estrogen should be controlles by aromasin and nolva should be blocking the receptor. So it cant be estrogen can it? Also using Anti P at 1mg a week.

These are my tips.
If u can ran tren and test with test higher and u have no issues happy for u guys!!!

But if u are like me and get anxiety blow off the handle and chase a road rager talking shit down 20 miles out your way and in edge like this on tren low test high,
Then this is what many do and I now do:

Run test Lower than tren, I run tren a at 75mg everyday
Test prop 50 mg everyday
Mast at 1gram a week
Proviron at 75 mg a day
Last round MC Nolva at 10mg a day
And MC anti-P at .5 @2× a wk
An ai??? Why???
Not necessary in this case at all.

Estro too high problems estro too low problems if Tren is rough on anyone why play with controlling estro!!!
If u take too much ai one other hormone out of wack for tren to Fack with
Not enough AI holy sh8t!!!

Tren will make women want me everywhere. I can see same women all the time and no attention from them but on tren even with low test they want something they pay extra attention.
This us reason my wife fights with me on tren she knows how it makes her about me!
I am not stuck on myself chicks are chicks never know my attractions may not meet par to y'all. But....

Anyway I like tren and with test lower I am good as can be with test higher i am too snappy to get a piece of ass!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Yeah I know, not the best combo. Deca was just added for join support. But i guess if I don't use winny I won't need it as much. So even tren/test and see how that fits me?

A cut stack that works is tren mast test Proviron avar
Deca for bulking and bloating unless I start it lean. Deca feeds my fat just enough to keep there
What master said brother.
I ran tren for years and gotta have a meeting with wife about stress and say look tren will start no drama!!!
I never had problems with tren until life got tough. Problems with kids all ages and stress of life. I was one of those guys that never had a side effect from anything.
Now tren comes with a meeting at the least and a different approach in using!

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[Muscle mechanic]

A cut stack that works is tren mast test Proviron avar
Deca for bulking and bloating unless I start it lean. Deca feeds my fat just enough to keep there
What master said brother.
I ran tren for years and gotta have a meeting with wife about stress and say look tren will start no drama!!!
I never had problems with tren until life got tough. Problems with kids all ages and stress of life. I was one of those guys that never had a side effect from anything.
Now tren comes with a meeting at the least and a different approach in using!

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What Masher said brother! Dam spell sh8t!
Keep it simple straight androgenic stuff will help but avoid any aromatase at all cost especially another progest.
Dude u got the gate wide open for problems. Higher test with tren and Deca!
No way! Lol! Take your time commit to a good plan and stay with it.
And follow all rules of thumb.


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[nuknuk]

I will say this, most people over use tren. 50 mg EOD is fine. No way in hell I would run tren everyday. That's a waste.

 

[guardianactual]

What Masher said brother! Dam spell sh8t!
Keep it simple straight androgenic stuff will help but avoid any aromatase at all cost especially another progest.
Dude u got the gate wide open for problems. Higher test with tren and Deca!
No way! Lol! Take your time commit to a good plan and stay with it.
And follow all rules of thumb.


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I can say this deca with test as high as I have it is bloating tf out of me. I also have EQ in there at 500mg. I'll see how 250mg Test does with 450mg tren. I droppes tren to 300 and added deca but the bloat is real lmao. I did like i said add Masteron I am starting at 800 and trailing up to 1gram. My cycle is over in sept. It'll have been 5 months on. I skipped Sept and said Oct before and it didn't sound right lmao.

Then I realized it wasn't right. Sept will be month 5 and the start of my pct. I am running test E not enough test p left but i should be ok with longer ester, so far it hasn't been bad but I think messing with some shit a bit too.much was my issue.

I have some gear I bought a while back and well it expires next year so I wanted to add it may have been a bad idea lmao. But I hate to waste shit ya know?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I will say this, most people over use tren. 50 mg EOD is fine. No way in hell I would run tren everyday. That's a waste.

I run it everyday because tren a, test p, and mast don't fit in pin any other way.
For me 50 eod is only a taste of what tren will and can do.
If u running with low test, 150mg to 200mg wk of tren at 50 eod isn't gonna do much!
At least for me it won't!!!

Average dose is 75 -150 eod or split everyday!

They say if u haven't used tren at 350 or more per wk, u haven't yet truly experienced it and what it can do.

I like to pin everyday more motivation for workout. Lol
No offence brother but 50 eod only works on a few.


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[Muscle mechanic]

I can say this deca with test as high as I have it is bloating tf out of me. I also have EQ in there at 500mg. I'll see how 250mg Test does with 450mg tren. I droppes tren to 300 and added deca but the bloat is real lmao. I did like i said add Masteron I am starting at 800 and trailing up to 1gram. My cycle is over in sept. It'll have been 5 months on. I skipped Sept and said Oct before and it didn't sound right lmao.

Then I realized it wasn't right. Sept will be month 5 and the start of my pct. I am running test E not enough test p left but i should be ok with longer ester, so far it hasn't been bad but I think messing with some shit a bit too.much was my issue.

I have some gear I bought a while back and well it expires next year so I wanted to add it may have been a bad idea lmao. But I hate to waste shit ya know?

I use gear that expired, I also pass a box around for family to put all expired stuff and send it to me. Meds, anti-biotics,
Motrin what ever it's all good.

I once took some pain pills from 1982, at was 2004. Best buzz I ever had!!!

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[Boomer]

I'm really enjoying everyone's input here. I think I have decided to go the low test higher tren option. In terms of dosage I will probably play around with them to see how o feel...id like to set a dosage say tren 75 eod test p 50 eod but most the gear around here is under doses so I really don't k ow how much unwell be getting so I think that will be my starting point....

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I'm really enjoying everyone's input here. I think I have decided to go the low test higher tren option. In terms of dosage I will probably play around with them to see how o feel...id like to set a dosage say tren 75 eod test p 50 eod but most the gear around here is under doses so I really don't k ow how much unwell be getting so I think that will be my starting point....

I can tell u this. I have Pharma amps at 100mg and ugl vials at 150 mg. When I switched to ugl I noticed the extra 50 to the point I lowered.
I am much more comfortable with everyday pins. Sides less for me.
Mast helps alot with tren difference is amazing for me. Much smoother and increases dht type well being.
Tren is androgenic but not by dht!

U got right idea start slow.
Go up every few days until u at 300mg-350 so of tren a. Or until sides bother u.!
Back off if necessary

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