Advise needed for off season bulk

justice14

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I'm planning to compete mid next year in my first pro show. I went on stage this year at 186. I feel I need to be at 195-200 stage weight next year. Keep in mind that I'm in physique so please make recommendations accordingly. What cycle do you think would put positive muscle mass on me that I can retain through competition season next year?


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Can you give us a little detail of past off season cycles and diet /caloric intake?


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All I have done in the past is taken 300 mg test cyp during off season. My off season caloric intake is around 5000 calories per day currently but those aren't clean calories. When I start this cycle, I plan to be at 4500 calories that are clean.


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Realistically, it will take roughly 12-18 months to put on and keep that as actual muscle with low; 5-7% BF (2-4% pre-contest). Are you in your 20's or 30's. This is an important consideration as well.

I gain about 15lbs of solid muscle per year. 31lbs in the last 21 months to be exact. I am 220 now but it has been as high as 232. The more pure muscle you have the harder it will become to gain a lot of fast weight. What happens is the quality and density improve, and the quality not quantity scenario comes into play. Patience is key at this point. Here's the math I did for my gains timeline. 15lbs per year x 5 years= 75lbs lean mass. I have been training very strictly for nearly 2 years and gained 31lbs of muscle that I never had before. 2 years x 15.5= 31lbs+189lbs starting weight = 220lbs. At the current rate of gains, I will peak out at the 7 Year mark at a weight of 295lbs at 3%-7% bf. At 5 years (2020) , I should weigh around 270lbs. My goals are very high reaching, but that is who I am. I strive to be a champion in all aspects of life. Still working on it though. LOL.

The purpose of these calculations for myself is primarily to remain realistic as to my goals being actually reached. Also it gives a measurable rate at which you can monitor progress and know with confidence, that you are on track. It can get discouraging to feel as if you are plateauing, but these sort of hard numbers will bring you confidence and restore drive. Once you see your long term progress and how much you have actually changed your physique it can be revival.

Post some info about your weak points and where you want to come up. Physique wise and discipline wise. The gym is worth only about 20% of your kept gains. Homework is where you put on and keep muscle. The gym is for stimulating a growth inducing environment and opening our anabolic window. Another thing that helps me grow faster and keeps the gains going up; is to eat clean until you just can't hold anymore food. Calorie counting is for cutting and prep; not bulking. Eat like an elephant and you will grow like there is no tomorrow. If you you are training intense and heavy, you will not get fat. In fact your body will be using more fat for cellular energy uptake. Because of this you will need MORE fat in your diet to build all the muscle. Fat and oils are anabolic and make up our hormones. Greasy and lardy foods are what you need to stay away from on a bulk. To many triglycerides will shut down your anabolic furnace temporarily and slow results. If your body runs out of carbs and fat on a bulk it will take it out of the muscle along with protein, for functioning. This is how most muscle is lost. Protein deficit sets in about every 2 hours for an athlete. This is why you must eat at least every 2-3 hours. No exceptions or gains will for sure be lost. We lose the most muscle when we sleep for 8 hours without protein. So load up before bed or set the alarm for a 3 am power shake.

Post more detail about goals and training. Where do you need the muscle at most to win. That's where you need to train until it comes up. That is also why so much time is needed. Every group of muscle needs individual attention and focus in order to progress and mature. In bodybuilding we are attempting to complete the genetic development process and gene expression to it's absolute full potential. To actually change your residual self image in to what you visualize it to be. This is the maturation process and also taking the lead in your development and overall health, and to lead by example. And become superhuman of course. LOL
 
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I'm planning to compete mid next year in my first pro show. I went on stage this year at 186. I feel I need to be at 195-200 stage weight next year. Keep in mind that I'm in physique so please make recommendations accordingly. What cycle do you think would put positive muscle mass on me that I can retain through competition season next year?



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To walk on stage at 200 you will need to bulk up to 225-230 min. Before your cut. So this a thing to consider while bulking.
 
This is why you must eat at least every 2-3 hours. No exceptions or gains will for sure be lost. We lose the most muscle when we sleep for 8 hours without protein. So load up before bed or set the alarm for a 3 am power shake.
this sounds like a big bro science lol
 
Realistically, it will take roughly 12-18 months to put on and keep that as actual muscle with low; 5-7% BF (2-4% pre-contest). Are you in your 20's or 30's. This is an important consideration as well.

I gain about 15lbs of solid muscle per year. 31lbs in the last 21 months to be exact. I am 220 now but it has been as high as 232. The more pure muscle you have the harder it will become to gain a lot of fast weight. What happens is the quality and density improve, and the quality not quantity scenario comes into play. Patience is key at this point. Here's the math I did for my gains timeline. 15lbs per year x 5 years= 75lbs lean mass. I have been training very strictly for nearly 2 years and gained 31lbs of muscle that I never had before. 2 years x 15.5= 31lbs+189lbs starting weight = 220lbs. At the current rate of gains, I will peak out at the 7 Year mark at a weight of 295lbs at 3%-7% bf. At 5 years (2020) , I should weigh around 270lbs. My goals are very high reaching, but that is who I am. I strive to be a champion in all aspects of life. Still working on it though. LOL.

The purpose of these calculations for myself is primarily to remain realistic as to my goals being actually reached. Also it gives a measurable rate at which you can monitor progress and know with confidence, that you are on track. It can get discouraging to feel as if you are plateauing, but these sort of hard numbers will bring you confidence and restore drive. Once you see your long term progress and how much you have actually changed your physique it can be revival.

Post some info about your weak points and where you want to come up. Physique wise and discipline wise. The gym is worth only about 20% of your kept gains. Homework is where you put on and keep muscle. The gym is for stimulating a growth inducing environment and opening our anabolic window. Another thing that helps me grow faster and keeps the gains going up; is to eat clean until you just can't hold anymore food. Calorie counting is for cutting and prep; not bulking. Eat like an elephant and you will grow like there is no tomorrow. If you you are training intense and heavy, you will not get fat. In fact your body will be using more fat for cellular energy uptake. Because of this you will need MORE fat in your diet to build all the muscle. Fat and oils are anabolic and make up our hormones. Greasy and lardy foods are what you need to stay away from on a bulk. To many triglycerides will shut down your anabolic furnace temporarily and slow results. If your body runs out of carbs and fat on a bulk it will take it out of the muscle along with protein, for functioning. This is how most muscle is lost. Protein deficit sets in about every 2 hours for an athlete. This is why you must eat at least every 2-3 hours. No exceptions or gains will for sure be lost. We lose the most muscle when we sleep for 8 hours without protein. So load up before bed or set the alarm for a 3 am power shake.

Post more detail about goals and training. Where do you need the muscle at most to win. That's where you need to train until it comes up. That is also why so much time is needed. Every group of muscle needs individual attention and focus in order to progress and mature. In bodybuilding we are attempting to complete the genetic development process and gene expression to it's absolute full potential. To actually change your residual self image in to what you visualize it to be. This is the maturation process and also taking the lead in your development and overall health, and to lead by example. And become superhuman of course. LOL
A lot of good stuff there.
 
All I have done in the past is taken 300 mg test cyp during off season. My off season caloric intake is around 5000 calories per day currently but those aren't clean calories. When I start this cycle, I plan to be at 4500 calories that are clean.


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By being smart with your first cycle and only using a 300mg of test open you up to lots of possibilities. How long was your cycle and how much did you gain?
 
By being smart with your first cycle and only using a 300mg of test open you up to lots of possibilities. How long was your cycle and how much did you gain?

I was on it 12 weeks and gained 20 lbs. I retained 6 of them by comp time.


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this sounds like a big bro science lol

Actual science, Bro. Every pro powerlifter, at the elite level must eat every 2 hours, by contract. If they don't they can be fined and or lose sponsors. This is a very well known fact in the industry, ask any elite lifter. It is even mentioned by pro's in there youtube vids. Some eat an excess of 18,000 calories per day to maintain there strength and weight. This easily applies to bodybuilding as well. Just sayin' though Bro. LOL
 
I was on it 12 weeks and gained 20 lbs. I retained 6 of them by comp time.


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12wks (divided by) 20lb gains = 1.6 lbs per week(.23lbs per day)

6lbs is 30% of 20lbs - so you retained 30% of your gains after cut.

You will want to aim for a 3-5 lb weekly gain to come up quickly. 36 lbs This will give you 10-12 keepable pounds of solid mass That is if, you still retain as much water and/or fat as last cycle. The more strict and big you go the better the results and the more of those pounds will become solid muscle mass. The size needs to come on with density to prevent the losses. I opt to lift heavy and intense. I sweat so much when I train that it is my cardio. The key is to take as few rest periods as possible, going directly from set to set. This will light up the furnace every workout and keep you much dryer looking and lean the whole time you bulk. Look up HIT style training not (HIIT). These where training principals of Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates aka The Shadow. Mike Mentzer achieved multiple perfect 300 scores. Dorian Yates changed the game entirely.

What is the cycle you had in mind? Then we can see where to go from there.

I would look up / research some classic mass cycles to start with. They are tried and true with time tested compounds. Post what you find and lets take it from there.
 
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12wks (divided by) 20lb gains = 1.6 lbs per week(.23lbs per day)

6lbs is 30% of 20lbs - so you retained 30% of your gains after cut.

You will want to aim for a 3-5 lb weekly gain to come up quickly. 36 lbs This will give you 10-12 keepable pounds of solid mass That is if, you still retain as much water and/or fat as last cycle. The more strict and big you go the better the results and the more of those pounds will become solid muscle mass. The size needs to come on with density to prevent the losses. I opt to lift heavy and intense. I sweat so much when I train that it is my cardio. The key is to take as few rest periods as possible, going directly from set to set. This will light up the furnace every workout and keep you much dryer looking and lean the whole time you bulk. Look up HIT style training not (HIIT). These where training principals of Mike Mentzer and Dorian Yates aka The Shadow. Mike Mentzer achieved multiple perfect 300 scores. Dorian Yates changed the game entirely.

What is the cycle you had in mind? Then we can see where to go from there.

I would look up / research some classic mass cycles to start with. They are tried and true with time tested compounds. Post what you find and lets take it from there.

Actually, my post is asking for that info from the members of this board. I'm looking for opinions of what you feel is a good bulking cycle for a Masters Men's Physique competitor. I don't need to put on the kind of size a body builder would have. I need 10 more quality lbs by June next year. I'm naturally lean and am always around 3.5% bf at comp time.


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Justice, I put on 11 pounds this offseason and I did it somewhat like this and I will bring the mg down for you. Now I bulked into the 290 pound range lol.

Test 400mg Monday and Thursday
Deca 400mg Monday and Thursday
HGH 6iu split twice per day 5 days a week so 3iu and 3iu
Kickstart with Dbol, Tbol, Anadrol, Superdrol (pick your poison here) daily for the first 4 weeks or you could frontload the cycle which is what I did. But I also took an oral for good measure.


It's basic and not too many pins per week but it's effective. I would run the deca for at least 16 weeks, I ran it for 20 weeks.

When you are ready to peel just switch over to your normal stack.

Test P
Tren Ace
Blah
Blah
Blah
 
Justice, I put on 11 pounds this offseason and I did it somewhat like this and I will bring the mg down for you. Now I bulked into the 290 pound range lol.

Test 400mg Monday and Thursday
Deca 400mg Monday and Thursday
HGH 6iu split twice per day 5 days a week so 3iu and 3iu
Kickstart with Dbol, Tbol, Anadrol, Superdrol (pick your poison here) daily for the first 4 weeks or you could frontload the cycle which is what I did. But I also took an oral for good measure.


It's basic and not too many pins per week but it's effective. I would run the deca for at least 16 weeks, I ran it for 20 weeks.

When you are ready to peel just switch over to your normal stack.

Test P
Tren Ace
Blah
Blah
Blah

Nice. This is almost identical to what I was going to do this time around, but I went with tbol, test c & eq instead. Maybe next time
 
Yeah I like what Masher has here. I like to stick to the basics K.I.S.S., you know. 2nd cycle Test C, Deca and some HGH will put on good quality mass. Switching to some short esters as your contest draws near. Test P, NPP (I hate to say Tren A. with so few cycles under your belt). If you want you could sub IGF-1 for HGH.

Brutha throw down a log it would be great to follow your progress and help as needed. It will also help many others.
 
Nice. This is almost identical to what I was going to do this time around, but I went with tbol, test c & eq instead. Maybe next time

Stack the EQ in with it unless you just don't like Deca. I use EQ in my cutstack and pinning is a bitch. 6ml per day 5 days a week gets kind of old. I always use EQ in the 2 grams per week area.

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Yeah I like what Masher has here. I like to stick to the basics K.I.S.S., you know. 2nd cycle Test C, Deca and some HGH will put on good quality mass. Switching to some short esters as your contest draws near. Test P, NPP (I hate to say Tren A. with so few cycles under your belt). If you want you could sub IGF-1 for HGH.

Brutha throw down a log it would be great to follow your progress and help as needed. It will also help many others.

He's a pro now he better figure out how to use Ace because most of his competition will be. Yes use IGF also with your growth I didn't add it in up there but I use IGF also.
 
Justice, I put on 11 pounds this offseason and I did it somewhat like this and I will bring the mg down for you. Now I bulked into the 290 pound range lol.

Test 400mg Monday and Thursday
Deca 400mg Monday and Thursday
HGH 6iu split twice per day 5 days a week so 3iu and 3iu
Kickstart with Dbol, Tbol, Anadrol, Superdrol (pick your poison here) daily for the first 4 weeks or you could frontload the cycle which is what I did. But I also took an oral for good measure.


It's basic and not too many pins per week but it's effective. I would run the deca for at least 16 weeks, I ran it for 20 weeks.

When you are ready to peel just switch over to your normal stack.

Test P
Tren Ace
Blah
Blah
Blah

Thanks Masher, this is just the type of input I am looking for!


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Yeah I like what Masher has here. I like to stick to the basics K.I.S.S., you know. 2nd cycle Test C, Deca and some HGH will put on good quality mass. Switching to some short esters as your contest draws near. Test P, NPP (I hate to say Tren A. with so few cycles under your belt). If you want you could sub IGF-1 for HGH.

Brutha throw down a log it would be great to follow your progress and help as needed. It will also help many others.

Thanks for the input iron-game. This is my second bulking cycle but I took a cutting cycle leading to My last show. I took Tren A, Test prop, and Anavar. Didn't like the side effects of Tren but it did help.


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Thanks for the input iron-game. This is my second bulking cycle but I took a cutting cycle leading to My last show. I took Tren A, Test prop, and Anavar. Didn't like the side effects of Tren but it did help.


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If you don't mind pinning daily it helps me with the ace sides keeping blood levels consistent. You don't need a lot either for what you are doing maybe 25mg per day or 50mg max.
 
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