Seeking upcoming, "fat-body" Cycle Advice friends!

[batemantx]

G'Afternoon my fellow MC-brethren'

Before I provide my breakdown & posed question, I would like to preface it by saying, that I just recently joined, after being a 10+ year Vet. on the anabolicminds forums, and with my recent "switch" here, you guys have been pretty outstanding with the help & warm welcome; much appreciated all!

Now enough with the Kumbaya moment, there will be absolutely ZERO swapping-spit in the showers guys, sorry to disappoint, hahahaa.

Alright, here we go.

As I stated in one of my other threads/posts, I am currently 35 years old, with 12+ years of AAS & related compounds experience. I've been training hard since I was literally about 13 or 14 years of age, and have always been involved in one contact/military/combat sport in some capacity. After getting engaged to my Lady, looking after her three youngsters, taking online classes at the local University, and performing Oil & Gas land/lease research, the domesticated life has most assuredly taken over; completely! I am now "living it up" as a full-time fat & lazy civilian, and no excuses, have simply put my health & body to the rear of the aircraft.

Eating dog shit, sedentary life and no exercise has taken its respective toll, also been about six years since my last cycle, and it's about fucking time to get back on the horse and get serious. I am well over 50 pounds than where I should be, with body fat sitting at "shit-level" as well (LOL). Obviously FIRST on the agenda, BEFORE anything else, is getting my diet/meal-program and training back on point, which I started a few months back. That said, I want to now introduce some "parties" back into my system, but never being in this spot before, even with Veteran experience, I am a tad muddled as to which cycle to throw together given my current stats/situation, etc.

Back in the day, let's say when I was 25 or so, I would have tossed in the kitchen sink mentality, with a notable dose of Test & Tren at the forefront; not any longer lmfao... My goal is to simply drop some much needed poundage & body fat (diet being the completely critical element here), but also placing a rather large emphasis on getting my "functional strength" back. I imagine the days of repping 125 dumbbells on overhead seated shoulder press or 150's on incline dumbbell press just "might" be out of the realm of possibilities, at least at this current juncture.

Bottom line: I need to drop weight and get my strength back; life change at this point.

Ergo, I'm looking to you all, my peers here, as to suggestions on a "basic" cycle to potentially run here in the next few months. I'm considering just a solid dose of Test Cyp. or Enth. (possibly a multi-Test blend?) solo AAS-wise & some Growth, for several months, until my weight & fat reach a level where using other compounds would actually then be able to perform better, and subsequently yield better results, etc. However, I know Primo. in particular, is known for being a total physique-changer, which could indeed, actually serve me very well at this point. Other compounds I have considered are: Mast. and Var. (however, they wouldn't really benefit me at current weight/fat % aside from strength gains, etc.), EQ, and maybe & I mean a VERY STRONG maybe, some Tren. (honestly don't know how I/my body would handle it these days).

I defer to your judgement for input on my given quandary Good Sir's!

Thanks in advance all, I look forward to your suggestions & respective feedback.
Cheers,
-b.

 

[max7528]

G'Afternoon my fellow MC-brethren'

Before I provide my breakdown & posed question, I would like to preface it by saying, that I just recently joined, after being a 10+ year Vet. on the anabolicminds forums, and with my recent "switch" here, you guys have been pretty outstanding with the help & warm welcome; much appreciated all!

Now enough with the Kumbaya moment, there will be absolutely ZERO swapping-spit in the showers guys, sorry to disappoint, hahahaa.

Alright, here we go.

As I stated in one of my other threads/posts, I am currently 35 years old, with 12+ years of AAS & related compounds experience. I've been training hard since I was literally about 13 or 14 years of age, and have always been involved in one contact/military/combat sport in some capacity. After getting engaged to my Lady, looking after her three youngsters, taking online classes at the local University, and performing Oil & Gas land/lease research, the domesticated life has most assuredly taken over; completely! I am now "living it up" as a full-time fat & lazy civilian, and no excuses, have simply put my health & body to the rear of the aircraft.

Eating dog shit, sedentary life and no exercise has taken its respective toll, also been about six years since my last cycle, and it's about fucking time to get back on the horse and get serious. I am well over 50 pounds than where I should be, with body fat sitting at "shit-level" as well (LOL). Obviously FIRST on the agenda, BEFORE anything else, is getting my diet/meal-program and training back on point, which I started a few months back. That said, I want to now introduce some "parties" back into my system, but never being in this spot before, even with Veteran experience, I am a tad muddled as to which cycle to throw together given my current stats/situation, etc.

Back in the day, let's say when I was 25 or so, I would have tossed in the kitchen sink mentality, with a notable dose of Test & Tren at the forefront; not any longer lmfao... My goal is to simply drop some much needed poundage & body fat (diet being the completely critical element here), but also placing a rather large emphasis on getting my "functional strength" back. I imagine the days of repping 125 dumbbells on overhead seated shoulder press or 150's on incline dumbbell press just "might" be out of the realm of possibilities, at least at this current juncture.

Bottom line: I need to drop weight and get my strength back; life change at this point.

Ergo, I'm looking to you all, my peers here, as to suggestions on a "basic" cycle to potentially run here in the next few months. I'm considering just a solid dose of Test Cyp. or Enth. (possibly a multi-Test blend?) solo AAS-wise & some Growth, for several months, until my weight & fat reach a level where using other compounds would actually then be able to perform better, and subsequently yield better results, etc. However, I know Primo. in particular, is known for being a total physique-changer, which could indeed, actually serve me very well at this point. Other compounds I have considered are: Mast. and Var. (however, they wouldn't really benefit me at current weight/fat % aside from strength gains, etc.), EQ, and maybe & I mean a VERY STRONG maybe, some Tren. (honestly don't know how I/my body would handle it these days).

I defer to your judgement for input on my given quandary Good Sir's!

Thanks in advance all, I look forward to your suggestions & respective feedback.
Cheers,
-b.

Before I could offer any cycle advice, I would need to know your diet, training and cardio plan. Asking what's the best tires for your car and not l knowing the type of car, Where your going and type of terrain is a similar question. I coach and compete myself and always look at training as a mutli facet plan. Current height, weight,age and body fat. What's the goal (Add mass,lean down or show prep). Nutrition plan, training protocol and then, when you answer all that do i identify what PED'S. I can get you down to 5% body fat or add 30lbs of muscle IF you are willing to do it right.

Sorry if I seem over the top, but it's how I approach goals. I like to win.

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[batemantx]

Before I could offer any cycle advice, I would need to know your diet, training and cardio plan. Asking what's the best tires for your car and not l knowing the type of car, Where your going and type of terrain is a similar question. I coach and compete myself and always look at training as a mutli facet plan. Current height, weight,age and body fat. What's the goal (Add mass,lean down or show prep). Nutrition plan, training protocol and then, when you answer all that do i identify what PED'S. I can get you down to 5% body fat or add 30lbs of muscle IF you are willing to do it right.

Sorry if I seem over the top, but it's how I approach goals. I like to win.

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Absolutely man, you're right on the money.

I'm a P.T. (double certs. through The Cooper Institute) myself, but we ALL need to help one another, and share our collective knowledge & experiences in the fit. game. Ergo, I want all feedback, and what I would potentially be doing right AND wrong!

I touched on a few of those stats. in my thread, but allow me to elaborate:

-35
-5'5"/5'6"
-220+ (I know, I know, crazy shit man; but being honest here, otherwise I can't get the feedback & input I need to properly arm me for this endeavor).
-Don't have exact BF%, but it is completely atrocious & untenable at this point, LOL...
-Fairly good health all around (I do suffer from Sinus-Tachycardia, but take solid medication for it; ie: under control)
-25 years in hard-disciplined sports
-12+ years AAS & related experience all over the spectrum
-Keto-based meal program: increased fat intake, low to zero carbohydrates, mid-ranged protein intake
-Cardio = 7 days/week, walking 60min. @ incline
-Weights = no isolation training, simple compound movements 3-4 days/week
-Goal = drop significant pounds & BF, regaining my core, functional strength

Thanks again man, and I welcome all feedback, be it critical or the like.

Cheers,
-b.

 

[DefMetalLifter]

It looks like your just asking about some PEDS?. Well assuming you have diet, cardio and training all tuned in I would personally just jump on a clen or ECA stack. Then has your body gets use to lifting throw in some test. Then as you get to a body fat 15 ish or below add some hardeners. Winny, tren, test , mast and Clen is one cycle that won't disappoint if done right.

 

[drtbear1967]

Sounds like you have gotten some solid information.

 

[batemantx]

It looks like your just asking about some PEDS?. Well assuming you have diet, cardio and training all tuned in I would personally just jump on a clen or ECA stack. Then has your body gets use to lifting throw in some test. Then as you get to a body fat 15 ish or below add some hardeners. Winny, tren, test , mast and Clen is one cycle that won't disappoint if done right.

For sure, Test/Tren/Win = awesomsauce.

But, that said, as I stated above, I have Sinus-Tachycardia (resting HR above 100 beats per min.), and although it is under control with the aid of medication, I still tend to try and steer clear of hard core stimulants such as Ephedrine, etc. I most likely would be just fine, but I try not to fuck with 'em, ya' know?

My diet, cardio and lifts are all on point & have been in effect now for the past 6-8 weeks, but I think tossing in some Test. as you said would be most beneficial for sure.

Still wonder how Primo. would work if I threw it in with a relatively high dose for a prolonged period of time, etc. Thoughts?

Thanks yo,
-b.

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Sounds like you have gotten some solid information.

Aye, just getting some last bit of input on any other gear to toss in with my current regimen, etc.

Cheers,
-b.

 

[DefMetalLifter]

For sure, Test/Tren/Win = awesomsauce.

But, that said, as I stated above, I have Sinus-Tachycardia (resting HR above 100 beats per min.), and although it is under control with the aid of medication, I still tend to try and steer clear of hard core stimulants such as Ephedrine, etc. I most likely would be just fine, but I try not to fuck with 'em, ya' know?

My diet, cardio and lifts are all on point & have been in effect now for the past 6-8 weeks, but I think tossing in some Test. as you said would be most beneficial for sure.

Still wonder how Primo. would work if I threw it in with a relatively high dose for a prolonged period of time, etc. Thoughts?

Thanks yo,
-b.

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Aye, just getting some last bit of input on any other gear to toss in with my current regimen, etc.

Cheers,
-b.

Roger that on the heartbeat. Yeah ephedrine would be a bad idea. Haha. I have not yet used primo. I have heard nothing but good things except the price. I'm wanting to try it soon myself. I've been in love with my nandrolone friends tren and deca, so been switching off between those.

 

[Miguels]

I over 25% body fat and was on test e test prop anavar and tren.. only thing I saw was a lot of estrogen conversion but had it under control. Even with high estrogen I didn't get gyno or even had prolactin symptoms even on 7 weeks of tren use at 300 mg a week..

 

[batemantx]

Roger that on the heartbeat. Yeah ephedrine would be a bad idea. Haha. I have not yet used primo. I have heard nothing but good things except the price. I'm wanting to try it soon myself. I've been in love with my nandrolone friends tren and deca, so been switching off between those.

NPP?

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I over 25% body fat and was on test e test prop anavar and tren.. only thing I saw was a lot of estrogen conversion but had it under control. Even with high estrogen I didn't get gyno or even had prolactin symptoms even on 7 weeks of tren use at 300 mg a week..

Somewhat confused; you saw gains, or no?

Cheers,
-b.

 

[DefMetalLifter]

NPP?

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Somewhat confused; you saw gains, or no?

Cheers,
-b.

I like long ester deca. I've done npp once. It was a weak cycle. It may have been under dosed though.

 

[Miguels]

NPP?

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Somewhat confused; you saw gains, or no?

Cheers,
-b.

I gained 20 lbs and kept all my strength. Tren made my cycle a lot better

 

[batemantx]

Before I could offer any cycle advice, I would need to know your diet, training and cardio plan. Asking what's the best tires for your car and not l knowing the type of car, Where your going and type of terrain is a similar question. I coach and compete myself and always look at training as a mutli facet plan. Current height, weight,age and body fat. What's the goal (Add mass,lean down or show prep). Nutrition plan, training protocol and then, when you answer all that do i identify what PED'S. I can get you down to 5% body fat or add 30lbs of muscle IF you are willing to do it right.

Sorry if I seem over the top, but it's how I approach goals. I like to win.

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At the risk of sounding insulting, are you going to get back to me, er...?

I checked all "eight" of your posts on this board, and in seven of those eight, you tout yourself being a "coach," and how much you destroy the competition at your shows, and all the "knowledge" you have, from a former Milos Sarcev trainer, yet on every single post you respond to members of this community with: "I would first need your stats.," and when they reply to you with their respective info. as did I, you literally never come back & assist them.

Ergo, once again, at the risk of sounding like I'm "challenging" you, simply trying to ascertain why you don't share this "knowledge, etc." with those asking for the help in the first place; 'am I missing something here? If so, please clarify, and apologies in advance.

Cheers,
-b.

 

[yellow snow]

I would stick to your original plan of Test. If you run it at 500mg/week you will be in the super human range. Keep your estrogen in line and diet your ass off! With that much T you will keep all your muscle and add some while losing straight fat.

No kitchen sink until you are back under control; I think you would just be wasting your recptors and money. All you need is something that keeps you anabolic so you can work your ass off and not loose muscle.

I highly recommend a keto based diet, max weight lose and you can't cheat!!

 

[batemantx]

I would stick to your original plan of Test. If you run it at 500mg/week you will be in the super human range. Keep your estrogen in line and diet your ass off! With that much T you will keep all your muscle and add some while losing straight fat.

No kitchen sink until you are back under control; I think you would just be wasting your recptors and money. All you need is something that keeps you anabolic so you can work your ass off and not loose muscle.

I highly recommend a keto based diet, max weight lose and you can't cheat!!

Hahaha, fuck yes, I think you're right on point with that input!

Recipe for success:

-solid Test dose
-heavy cardio & compound movement training regimen
-ultra-strict keto "type" meal program/diet
-once down enough in BF% & LBS, toss in some solid compounds, and truly reap the benefits, etc.

Thanks again chief,
-b.

P.S. May just toss in some Growth if able; that plus the T., could work really well me thinks?

 

[drtbear1967]

Listen to your body and see what has and hasn't worked in the past. But that does mean trying different things to see how you respond, which can be a pain in the ass.

 

[batemantx]

Listen to your body and see what has and hasn't worked in the past. But that does mean trying different things to see how you respond, which can be a pain in the ass.

Indeed Good Sir, indeed.

What are your respective thoughts on me potentially tossing in some Growth with my preliminary game-plan?

Cheers,
-b.

 

[batemantx]

Still *crickets* from max7528; weird lol, I'm genuinely confused.

 

[batemantx]

Before I could offer any cycle advice, I would need to know your diet, training and cardio plan and then, when you answer all that do i identify what PED'S. I can get you down to 5% body fat or add 30lbs of muscle IF you are willing to do it right.

Kay bro, I'm still here; what's good?

lol..?

 

[DefMetalLifter]

Kay bro, I'm still here; what's good?

lol..?

You left a long detailed response and no answer.

 

[batemantx]

You left a long detailed response and no answer.

Yeah, I'm just busting his balls a bit, but in all fairness, I did indeed as you said, leave a very detailed description of the aforementioned situation, with absolutely zero feedback, etc. I'll be fine without his input, but what I find amusing is that he is online, and I looked at his post history, and every single post he has made, he says the EXACT same thing, in saying he needs "stats," etc. first before he can comment, and each time, the OP/thread started has responded as asked, with their current, respective details, and he literally NEVER comes back to help; I just find that weird as shit, but who knows maybe I'm just an asshat LOL?!

-b.