pain with steroids

[pgb]

i have a query. do any of you get painful joints when you take certain steroids. i have heard of one guy who said anavar did. so do other ones cause this problem as well. i would think the ones most likely to would be cutting ones, such as mast, tren, maybe proviron.
so anyone with experience on the matter, let me know. thanks brothers.

 

[Presser]

i have a query. do any of you get painful joints when you take certain steroids. i have heard of one guy who said anavar did. so do other ones cause this problem as well. i would think the ones most likely to would be cutting ones, such as mast, tren, maybe proviron.
so anyone with experience on the matter, let me know. thanks brothers.

Yes, all of them do to some extent, personally winstrol kills my joints, and long term testosterone use. Equipoise also made my joints feel like glass, kind of hard to explain what that feels like but yeah they cause pain in joints for sure.

Are you experiencing this? and with what if so

 

[drtbear1967]

My joints are bad as well and Winnie always makes them feel worse. I understand the glass feeling all to well. I add in some deca to help with the joints.

 

[Presser]

My joints are bad as well and Winnie always makes them feel worse. I understand the glass feeling all to well. I add in some deca to help with the joints.

yes, deca alleviated the joint pain when I used it a long ass time ago, and it was such a long ass time ago due to the other effects it had on me aside from helping alleviate my joint pain. This side effect however was not so beneficial lol. and why I dont run Deca NOES FUCKING MO!

 

[pgb]

i have chronic joint pain as it is, and have gotten considerable relief using deca, even though it does give me other undesirable sides. at least not too bad. anyways, i recently ended a vial of eq which is also during the period i experienced extreme pain in the joints. especially knees and shoulders. if what i experienced is anything like the glass effect you're talking about, then yes. been off eq i think about a little more than two weeks. i was also using mast p to help with sides from deca and npp, which i've been using. finished off a vial of test e and been using a little prop til i have my va appointment.
i appreciate the answer. that explains a considerable bit with the pain i've been experiencing lately.
i was trying to figure out exactly what may be making it worse, since i tried cialias and thought it might be the severe reaction that's stated about it, which is when it got considerably worse as well.
so i'd too many dog gone things that cause more pain at once isn't helping, lol.
such a problem working things out and getting the right combination that is more benefit than problem. i had a vial of eq to try, and had already decided i didn't want to use it again due to other sides, worse than deca, lol.
thanks presser

 

[pgb]

Yes, all of them do to some extent, personally winstrol kills my joints, and long term testosterone use. Equipoise also made my joints feel like glass, kind of hard to explain what that feels like but yeah they cause pain in joints for sure.

Are you experiencing this? and with what if so

that raises another question as well. does testosterone cause joint degradation or is it just pain. is this true even for trt levels, since it is suppose to be bio-identical to our own test. trt is long term use, tentatively. i know, what old guy doesn't have damaged, aching joints, right, lmao.

 

[thx]

that raises another question as well. does testosterone cause joint degradation or is it just pain. is this true even for trt levels, since it is suppose to be bio-identical to our own test. trt is long term use, tentatively. i know, what old guy doesn't have damaged, aching joints, right, lmao.

Yes and no. To keep it short and simple.
Testosterone stimulates protein synthesis which builds muscle but it does not stimulate collagen synthesis so it does not help build or recover tendons.
Muscles get bigger and stronger and sometimes stronger than the tendons can handle.


Crazy thing is that winstrol is that has the highest collagen synthesis. Problem is that it makes the tendons wide and brittle, there is also something in the body blocking this mechanism.
I read all this long time ago.

 

[EMW14]

that raises another question as well. does testosterone cause joint degradation or is it just pain. is this true even for trt levels, since it is suppose to be bio-identical to our own test. trt is long term use, tentatively. i know, what old guy doesn't have damaged, aching joints, right, lmao.

Somewhere along the way in my reading and research, I read that up to 200mg per week test is not detrime tal to tendons but that over that amount is, or can be.

That said, I question the 200mg/week limit for a couple of reasons. The main reason being that I know my total test level on a given amount of test cyp is not necessarily the same as the next guy's. I've compared bloodwork results vs doses with another member here who's on TRT as well as another friend of mine. What I think is that probably up to a certain total test level or possibly total free test level is not detrimemtal but above that is or can be. This is probably variable from person to person as well.

 

[thx]

What EMW14 said is true.

Had guys on only 500mg of test ew. Some got the sides you get from it times 10. Lowered to 250mg ew with blasting some orals sometimes and they got great results.

What I'm trying to say is that 200-250mg ew is enough to get pretty good results. People often over complicate stuff and those that do that are the ones that train to take PEDs and not take PEDs to train and get better results.

Keep it simple bros!

 

[EMW14]

What EMW14 said is true.

Had guys on only 500mg of test ew. Some got the sides you get from it times 10. Lowered to 250mg ew with blasting some orals sometimes and they got great results.

What I'm trying to say is that 200-250mg ew is enough to get pretty good results. People often over complicate stuff and those that do that are the ones that train to take PEDs and not take PEDs to train and get better results.

Keep it simple bros!

I like the Keep It Simple approach!

Also, and this is something I learned from drag racing amd tuning, but it applies to this extremely well: Change ONE thing at a time and observe the results. Change NOTHING else until you know what that ONE change did. This is easily accomplished during a "test and tune" night at the drag strip; generally a couple of passes and you have your answer. With steroids and the various esters and half lives, it can take a few months of consistent dises and observations if using long esters to assess results.

In addition to that, I've found that over time my body's response changes. So what works extremely well for me at the beginning of a given period does not produce the same results after a couple months. For example: I'm pretty much a TRT guy. I don't respond well to even moderate dises of test. But I need to cycle and add some things as time goes by. After enough time off to clear my system, I start off pretty low with test cyp, a couple weeks at 120 mg/week; then advance to 180 mg/week split into 2 doses (Fri 100mg, Tues 80mg) with nothing else. My body likes this for a while. After a while, I have to increase the dose, and what seems to work well is add a "boost" of test prop of 30mg with my Fri & Tues shots. Then after a while I add Masteron E with a "boost" of Mast P in to keep things working. This works well, and as time goes by I need to increase the Mast.

This is where i am right now. All in, I'm at 260mg/week total test (cyp and prop combined) and 700mg Mast (Enth and Prop combined) and everything is good. Sooner or later I'm going to have to cycle off and start over.

 

[chihuahua]

I never had problems with winny. EQ on the other hand did a number on my tendons. Pain came on about 8 weeks into my cycle. It took a good month or so to recover.

 

[pgb]

i'm trying to clear my system of gear that may be problematic.
right now i'm laying off everything except test (any form) and nandrolone. as for test, i really like sus better than the rest, but it has a really long half-life. pretty much just staying at therapeutic levels right now.