Critiquing Bodybuilders - Who is allowed?

drtbear1967

Musclechemistry Board Certified Member
by Matt Weik


I received this question through DM on Instagram and the gentleman and I had a good conversation on our thoughts, even though he wanted me to write an article about it (which I am now). He wanted my opinion on whether non-bodybuilders should be able to critique bodybuilders. He brought up how other sports you can be a fan, have never played the sport, yet it seems normal to critique a team or player(s). How is this similar or different from the sport of bodybuilding? Here’s my take on the subject.

Do you even lift bro?

I’m a Philadelphia Eagles fan and have been all my life. I’ve never once played organized football in school or even college. In fact, I played tennis most of my athletic career and through college. That being said, I’ve always been a fan of bodybuilding. Do I look like a bodybuilder? Those in the industry would say no, as I’m sitting here around 200 pounds currently whereas many bodybuilders are much larger than I am. However, to the normal everyday person walking the street, they might consider me such.


Do I live a bodybuilder lifestyle? Sure, I enjoy it. Does that make me a bodybuilder? Not exactly. To an extent everyone who exercises is a “body builder” in the sense of they are working out to build their body—they simply just aren’t a competitor. I’ve been in the industry well over a decade, and have been writing about it just as long. I feel I have a good grasp of the industry and that many respect and look for my opinion on different bodybuilding subjects.
In today’s bodybuilding society, when someone critiques a physique, you commonly hear, “do you even lift bro?” Directed at the person who is critiquing the bodybuilder, trying to downplay their size as if they’ve never picked up a weight in their life. This raises the question of if you need to actually be a bodybuilder in order to critique one?


In my opinion, no, you don’t need to be a bodybuilder to critique one. There are many coaches who work with IFBB pros who are not bodybuilders, yet they work with top athletes across the globe. They critique their athletes weekly or even daily. So, why do so many bodybuilders get upset when someone says they looked flat on stage, or they looked like they were holding water, etc.? If their eye is that keen to pick up on how someone looks versus where they should be compared to others on stage, wouldn’t you assume they at least have somewhat of a baseline knowledge about the sport?
Bodybuilders only care about what the judges say

It’s interesting that bodybuilders for the most part (professionals at least) are training to work on what the judges tell them they need to see on stage. It has nothing about the individual athlete wanting to look how they envisioned in their head. Rather, they hang onto every critique the judges make about their physique so they have a better chance of placing better at their next competition. Are all the judges on the panel bodybuilders? Nope, but they are highly experienced in the sport and know exactly what they should be looking for according to the guidelines and parameters set by the IFBB.


Then why do bodybuilders care so much about what others think or say? It’s like they wear their emotions on their sleeve and are quick to retaliate when someone talks negatively about their physique. Again, it generally comes in the form of calling the individual critiquing a bodybuilder small, weak, uneducated, dumb, etc. Do you really think Michael Jordan gave a flying potato that spectators or fans thought he played a bad game? Heck no. Do you think when Joe Montana had a bad game he was worried about what his 49er fans thought (I’m not sure why I’m going old school with my athlete examples, but hear me out)? No, he kept his head on straight and went back to work knowing he didn’t play his best and was a professional about it. So, why can’t bodybuilders do the same?


Professional athletes today have thousands if not millions of fans. Look at Lebron’s departure from Cleveland when he was making his voyage to Miami. The city damn near burned everything to the ground that symbolized Lebron. No one batted an eye at what they were doing—they were deemed passionate fans who were ultimately heartbroken at his departure and as retaliation lashed out. Did it hurt Lebron? Sure. Do you think he was still counting his money the whole trip to Miami and then ultimately winning two NBA championships there? Yup. Were you or I qualified to be critiquing Lebron’s actions? Nope, but many of us still made our voices heard.


Just because someone isn’t a bodybuilder doesn’t mean they don’t know what they are talking about or aren’t passionate about something. It’s true that they might not know what goes into being a bodybuilder and have first-hand experience from the training and diet aspect, but they have a right to their opinion—just like the bodybuilder could have an opinion of the person critiquing them.


In the end, everyone has a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with them or not. Debating about things is what makes us see things differently—from another perspective. While bodybuilders might not care what people think, and only want to hear from the judges, they are going to get fans’ two-cents whether they want it or not. It’s part of being a professional athlete, you’re in the spotlight and open for criticism. That doesn’t mean what people are saying is true, but it could be. Accept the fact that anyone, of any color, of any creed, of any race, of any religion, of any walk of life will be a critic of everything you do. Accept it. There’s no getting around it. And trying to shut people up is only going to have them pay even closer attention to you and speak up. Embrace that not everyone is going to have something good to say about you all the time. If you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
 
Good article, thanks.
I just wanted to add that if I decided to make a leaving by critiquing or talking about bodybuilding or any other sport, just as I have the right to do it, I also should be able to take criticism. If I start complaining and crying because other people don’t agree with me or critique me, then as you said....get out of the kitchen (YouTube)


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I think most people will complain when judging is subjective. It really isn't like Jordan or Montana, you make the points or you don't. BB is more like figure skating...........Ha ha:satan:
 
My biggest grip has to do with the judging. If a person places high in one class and then also competes in another class, they shouldn't be in the top in both classes.
 
by Matt Weik


I received this question through DM on Instagram and the gentleman and I had a good conversation on our thoughts, even though he wanted me to write an article about it (which I am now). He wanted my opinion on whether non-bodybuilders should be able to critique bodybuilders. He brought up how other sports you can be a fan, have never played the sport, yet it seems normal to critique a team or player(s). How is this similar or different from the sport of bodybuilding? Here’s my take on the subject.

Do you even lift bro?

I’m a Philadelphia Eagles fan and have been all my life. I’ve never once played organized football in school or even college. In fact, I played tennis most of my athletic career and through college. That being said, I’ve always been a fan of bodybuilding. Do I look like a bodybuilder? Those in the industry would say no, as I’m sitting here around 200 pounds currently whereas many bodybuilders are much larger than I am. However, to the normal everyday person walking the street, they might consider me such.


Do I live a bodybuilder lifestyle? Sure, I enjoy it. Does that make me a bodybuilder? Not exactly. To an extent everyone who exercises is a “body builder” in the sense of they are working out to build their body—they simply just aren’t a competitor. I’ve been in the industry well over a decade, and have been writing about it just as long. I feel I have a good grasp of the industry and that many respect and look for my opinion on different bodybuilding subjects.
In today’s bodybuilding society, when someone critiques a physique, you commonly hear, “do you even lift bro?” Directed at the person who is critiquing the bodybuilder, trying to downplay their size as if they’ve never picked up a weight in their life. This raises the question of if you need to actually be a bodybuilder in order to critique one?


In my opinion, no, you don’t need to be a bodybuilder to critique one. There are many coaches who work with IFBB pros who are not bodybuilders, yet they work with top athletes across the globe. They critique their athletes weekly or even daily. So, why do so many bodybuilders get upset when someone says they looked flat on stage, or they looked like they were holding water, etc.? If their eye is that keen to pick up on how someone looks versus where they should be compared to others on stage, wouldn’t you assume they at least have somewhat of a baseline knowledge about the sport?
Bodybuilders only care about what the judges say

It’s interesting that bodybuilders for the most part (professionals at least) are training to work on what the judges tell them they need to see on stage. It has nothing about the individual athlete wanting to look how they envisioned in their head. Rather, they hang onto every critique the judges make about their physique so they have a better chance of placing better at their next competition. Are all the judges on the panel bodybuilders? Nope, but they are highly experienced in the sport and know exactly what they should be looking for according to the guidelines and parameters set by the IFBB.


Then why do bodybuilders care so much about what others think or say? It’s like they wear their emotions on their sleeve and are quick to retaliate when someone talks negatively about their physique. Again, it generally comes in the form of calling the individual critiquing a bodybuilder small, weak, uneducated, dumb, etc. Do you really think Michael Jordan gave a flying potato that spectators or fans thought he played a bad game? Heck no. Do you think when Joe Montana had a bad game he was worried about what his 49er fans thought (I’m not sure why I’m going old school with my athlete examples, but hear me out)? No, he kept his head on straight and went back to work knowing he didn’t play his best and was a professional about it. So, why can’t bodybuilders do the same?


Professional athletes today have thousands if not millions of fans. Look at Lebron’s departure from Cleveland when he was making his voyage to Miami. The city damn near burned everything to the ground that symbolized Lebron. No one batted an eye at what they were doing—they were deemed passionate fans who were ultimately heartbroken at his departure and as retaliation lashed out. Did it hurt Lebron? Sure. Do you think he was still counting his money the whole trip to Miami and then ultimately winning two NBA championships there? Yup. Were you or I qualified to be critiquing Lebron’s actions? Nope, but many of us still made our voices heard.


Just because someone isn’t a bodybuilder doesn’t mean they don’t know what they are talking about or aren’t passionate about something. It’s true that they might not know what goes into being a bodybuilder and have first-hand experience from the training and diet aspect, but they have a right to their opinion—just like the bodybuilder could have an opinion of the person critiquing them.


In the end, everyone has a right to voice their opinion whether you agree with them or not. Debating about things is what makes us see things differently—from another perspective. While bodybuilders might not care what people think, and only want to hear from the judges, they are going to get fans’ two-cents whether they want it or not. It’s part of being a professional athlete, you’re in the spotlight and open for criticism. That doesn’t mean what people are saying is true, but it could be. Accept the fact that anyone, of any color, of any creed, of any race, of any religion, of any walk of life will be a critic of everything you do. Accept it. There’s no getting around it. And trying to shut people up is only going to have them pay even closer attention to you and speak up. Embrace that not everyone is going to have something good to say about you all the time. If you can’t stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
I was involved in this same situation last week and Seth and I went back and forth on his page. His post was him doing 1 rep of front barbell overhead press followed by a military press. My comment wasn't directed at him but I said if you want to do presses overhead in your 50's (which I am) eliminate heavy military presses. His response was that it works for him and I agreed but it's not for everyone. So he becomes a prick about it asking if I was a professional bodybuilder. Nope. But I informed him that 225 lb military presses to the rear was common for me before he was born. I find it ludicrous he thinks he invented lifting weights. He became a snarky **** and then blocked me. Fuck him. If you're doing something fundamentally wrong, don't be surprised if someone suggests something different... Or don't post shit.

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if you live on planet earth, then you will probably have an opinion of what looks good and what doesn't. if you're like most people you have a wide variety of what appeals to you. history shows also that what is found to be appealing in one era is not in another. this is just a fact and how the human psyche works. exposure can play a big role in how we perceive a persons appearance as well.
these people who critique bb or anyone do it at first glance, unlike professional judges who have a guide line of what is a top bb. so don't let your panties get in a bunch over some street person with an opinion. they're going to have it rather you like it or not.
i'm always in the kitchen and it's always hot, lol.
 
I was involved in this same situation last week and Seth and I went back and forth on his page. His post was him doing 1 rep of front barbell overhead press followed by a military press. My comment wasn't directed at him but I said if you want to do presses overhead in your 50's (which I am) eliminate heavy military presses. His response was that it works for him and I agreed but it's not for everyone. So he becomes a prick about it asking if I was a professional bodybuilder. Nope. But I informed him that 225 lb military presses to the rear was common for me before he was born. I find it ludicrous he thinks he invented lifting weights. He became a snarky **** and then blocked me. Fuck him. If you're doing something fundamentally wrong, don't be surprised if someone suggests something different... Or don't post shit.

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who the fuck are you to say shit..........Im just playing! lmao Good for you brutha! Were all a little sensitive about things we think we excel in, but theres a million ways to skin a cat, although sometimes you come across one of those ways that kills the cat and have to stand up and say something!

Its not the non bodybuilders critiquing my or other bodybuilders physiques that ever got under my skin, but rather the absolute disrespect some fat pieces of shit show when they use to think it was ok to crack a joke about steroids in a crowded public restaurant, or in line at the movie theater where you can’t know for sure who said shit, and yes both of those have happened to me, and many more but these two situations were done by fat people, wtf!!! Imagine an adult out at the movies or restaurant and yells a fat joke, about being a moose or elephant all the while the overweight person is there with their wife and child. Thats how bad it was back in 2003 through I guess maybe 2007.

But yeah critique away! Hell a lot of the shows I either did, or judged had judges with whom were just your average person. So yes the average non bodybuilder can judge you, not sure they should be actual show judges lol, but saying something online, and such they have every right
 
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if you live on planet earth, then you will probably have an opinion of what looks good and what doesn't. if you're like most people you have a wide variety of what appeals to you. history shows also that what is found to be appealing in one era is not in another. this is just a fact and how the human psyche works. exposure can play a big role in how we perceive a persons appearance as well.
these people who critique bb or anyone do it at first glance, unlike professional judges who have a guide line of what is a top bb. so don't let your panties get in a bunch over some street person with an opinion. they're going to have it rather you like it or not.
i'm always in the kitchen and it's always hot, lol.


Your right brutha! And I think you hit the nail on the head with “exposure” playing a big role. Harking back to my last post about fat asses ridiculing bodybuilders in crowded public places where your not sure who screamed the bullshit “juice head” , it happened alot more back when bodybuilding was under fire due to steroids being on every fucking news channel and players getting tested more and failing , and the all out witch hunt that went on back then around the start of the Iraq war.

So exposure in that sense, I think u nailed it!
 
If someone has never prepped for a show, then they need to watch what they say. People don't know what they don't know.
 
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