Dosing Suggestions

NAIR

NAIR

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Goal: high quality muscle gain. Thinking about running EQ, Primo, Test for 16 weeks. Test: TRT (200mg/wk)EQ: 600-800Primo 800Mid 30s, fairly lean, with plenty of cycles under my built.Thoughts?

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There is a recent You-tube video by the guy who is the chief moderator on the Muscular Development.com forum site. He talks about how much anabolics you need for a 12 week cycle and what to expect in the way of muscle gain. He goes with the standard test 250 mg. a week and either nandrolone or Eq around 600 mg. a week. He says you should expect about a 10 to 12 lb. increase, but after you end the cycle it will fall back to a 7 or 8 lb. gain because some of the gain will be water retention. That is what steroids do they cause the muscle to retain water. According to the site Chemistry.com 79% of the weight of a muscle is water. In males, total water weight of the body is 65%. In females it is 55% because they carry more body fat.
 
beachbody said:
There is a recent You-tube video by the guy who is the chief moderator on the Muscular Development.com forum site. He talks about how much anabolics you need for a 12 week cycle and what to expect in the way of muscle gain. He goes with the standard test 250 mg. a week and either nandrolone or Eq around 600 mg. a week. He says you should expect about a 10 to 12 lb. increase, but after you end the cycle it will fall back to a 7 or 8 lb. gain because some of the gain will be water retention. That is what steroids do they cause the muscle to retain water. According to the site Chemistry.com 79% of the weight of a muscle is water. In males, total water weight of the body is 65%. In females it is 55% because they carry more body fat.
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So... you're thinking perhaps I'm going overboard on the anoblics? Maybe I ought to either lower the EQ or drop it altogether, leaving me with: (1) test @ 250/wk; (2) Primo @ 800.
(I'm keeping with high primo dosing based on previous feedback from folks here who swear by larger doses for this particular compound.)
 
I see nothing wrong at all with primo at 600 and EQ at 800. I like the low test too. I’m lowering my test on next cycle to see how it does me as well. Just less sides and water and not to mention dealing with estro conversion. If anything I’d throw in some Igf or hgh or at least some frag if your really wanting that lean, mean vascular look.


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Looks good bro. Raise the test a little bit, 250-300mg ew. Have you tried EQ before? I would do 400mg ew, maybe 600 at most. You will get awesome gains with 800mg ew the issue is the RBC and BP. I like the fact that you are doing a 16w cycle with the EQ, takes some time to see results from this compound.

I would also start off with winny or anavar the first 3 weeks.
 
Maj7900 said:
I see nothing wrong at all with primo at 600 and EQ at 800. I like the low test too. I’m lowering my test on next cycle to see how it does me as well. Just less sides and water and not to mention dealing with estro conversion. If anything I’d throw in some Igf or hgh or at least some frag if your really wanting that lean, mean vascular look.


Team MeccaGear!
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A friend of mine couldn't handle more than 250mg of test e5d. He used to stay on year round and blast with orals like winstrol from time to time. He got crazy results from this. He used to do crazy diets though, "starvation diets" with no problems or issues at all.

He got all the sides you can get from test if he took more than 250mg e5d. Winny didn't give him so much sides except that he lost all his hair. He stopped training for a long time but kept on taking the 250mg test e5d. He kept all his gains pretty much until he got tired of pinning and stopped taking gear.
 
thx said:
A friend of mine couldn't handle more than 250mg of test e5d. He used to stay on year round and blast with orals like winstrol from time to time. He got crazy results from this. He used to do crazy diets though, "starvation diets" with no problems or issues at all.

He got all the sides you can get from test if he took more than 250mg e5d. Winny didn't give him so much sides except that he lost all his hair. He stopped training for a long time but kept on taking the 250mg test e5d. He kept all his gains pretty much until he got tired of pinning and stopped taking gear.
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I’ve been looking into this a lot and I don’t believe there’s really a need for extra test. Just enough to maintain sexual function. I’m running 60mg at this time but I believe this is my last heavy test run. It’s dirty. To many sides and most of your complications come from it. 300 or 350 for blast and 150 cruise.

I don’t aromatize much at all either so it’s not that I have that much trouble with it.


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Aside from a debilitating sex drive, I'm not sure that test gives me that much trouble either. But I wonder about the quality of the muscle gain with test. I'm going to give low test, high anoblics a shot and see how I do.
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I like the thought of lowering the EQ dose to 400. I haven't run it about 7 years and at 16-20 weeks I should see positive results.
 
For your info, primobolin used to be manuf. by Schering. In 1990 Schering was bought out by Bayer and they now make it. They dropped the p and now call it rimobolin. About a year ago i saw it for sale on another site and the price was $19 for 1 ampule. I think it was a 100 mg. ampule. That is more than twice what an ampule of deca durabolin costs. The Chinese raw powders that are sold by board sponsors on this site and others are also very expensive. Some are 10 times more than what test-e powder costs. I am not sure why it is so expensive , possibly because it is one of the safest anabolic steroids with the fewest side effects. The UGL's primobolin should be expensive too as they get their powder from the Chinese suppliers. If it isn't expensive then it is probably underdosed or has other steroids in it. If you were using 800 mg. a week and bought Bayer's rimobolin that would cost you $152 a week. for a 12 week cycle that would be $1824 just for the rimobolin. That seems like a lot of money to spend on a 12 week cycle. It seems like nandrolone would be a better choice. Also the experts agree that Eq is inferior in building muscle compared to primobolin or nandrolone.
 
I ran a similiar cycle about 18weeks on eq and had very good results some years ago. I was also using a very high dose of test with it and noticed that at the heaviest point of my cycle about 12-13weeks in I got very lethargic and had to use ephedrine and energy drinks to really get in the zone which was not usual for me.
 
beachbody said:
For your info, primobolin used to be manuf. by Schering. In 1990 Schering was bought out by Bayer and they now make it. They dropped the p and now call it rimobolin. About a year ago i saw it for sale on another site and the price was $19 for 1 ampule. I think it was a 100 mg. ampule. That is more than twice what an ampule of deca durabolin costs. The Chinese raw powders that are sold by board sponsors on this site and others are also very expensive. Some are 10 times more than what test-e powder costs. I am not sure why it is so expensive , possibly because it is one of the safest anabolic steroids with the fewest side effects. The UGL's primobolin should be expensive too as they get their powder from the Chinese suppliers. If it isn't expensive then it is probably underdosed or has other steroids in it. If you were using 800 mg. a week and bought Bayer's rimobolin that would cost you $152 a week. for a 12 week cycle that would be $1824 just for the rimobolin. That seems like a lot of money to spend on a 12 week cycle. It seems like nandrolone would be a better choice. Also the experts agree that Eq is inferior in building muscle compared to primobolin or nandrolone.
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Agreed that cost is high with this stuff and your figures are close - Rimo is roughly $10 an amp these days and UG is about half that. The cost sucks, no doubt.
 
You look GTG..........high primo 600-800mg is the sweet spot for most.

You are running a long cycle so it looks great...........if it were me I would do what thx said and run a good oral to kick start it, but that is just me!
 
I don't think I would run EQ ad primo together I mean you can and if you do I would like you have laid out. I would do primo and add oral at the beginning and end if need up the primo to 800 the last 4 or 5 weeks
 
Maj7900 said:
I’ve been looking into this a lot and I don’t believe there’s really a need for extra test. Just enough to maintain sexual function. I’m running 60mg at this time but I believe this is my last heavy test run. It’s dirty. To many sides and most of your complications come from it. 300 or 350 for blast and 150 cruise.

I don’t aromatize much at all either so it’s not that I have that much trouble with it.


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Only thing that comes with high dosages is aromatization and other sides. Everyone is different though, so best thing is to start off low and upper dosages each cycle.
I've noticed that young, hard training people can handle higher doses of test, tren, well pretty much any compound.
It's all about having a good foundation to begin with. Good training regimen and discipline, low bf, good amount of muscle etc.

250mg e5d is more than enough if you're not trying to build a lot of mass at once. In the long run it's better to stay on 250mg and blast other compounds, than doing high dosages.

I know you know your shit maj7900 :) This is just something for others to read.

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NAIR said:
Aside from a debilitating sex drive, I'm not sure that test gives me that much trouble either. But I wonder about the quality of the muscle gain with test. I'm going to give low test, high anoblics a shot and see how I do.





I like the thought of lowering the EQ dose to 400. I haven't run it about 7 years and at 16-20 weeks I should see positive results.
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400mg eq will give you some good results. I wouldn't do longer cycle than 16 weeks. If you are on trt then you can easily do 20weeks.
 
beachbody said:
For your info, primobolin used to be manuf. by Schering. In 1990 Schering was bought out by Bayer and they now make it. They dropped the p and now call it rimobolin. About a year ago i saw it for sale on another site and the price was $19 for 1 ampule. I think it was a 100 mg. ampule. That is more than twice what an ampule of deca durabolin costs. The Chinese raw powders that are sold by board sponsors on this site and others are also very expensive. Some are 10 times more than what test-e powder costs. I am not sure why it is so expensive , possibly because it is one of the safest anabolic steroids with the fewest side effects. The UGL's primobolin should be expensive too as they get their powder from the Chinese suppliers. If it isn't expensive then it is probably underdosed or has other steroids in it. If you were using 800 mg. a week and bought Bayer's rimobolin that would cost you $152 a week. for a 12 week cycle that would be $1824 just for the rimobolin. That seems like a lot of money to spend on a 12 week cycle. It seems like nandrolone would be a better choice. Also the experts agree that Eq is inferior in building muscle compared to primobolin or nandrolone.
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Costs more to produce it.

And I totally agree. It's better to choose another cheaper compound. If you guys are worried about sides, just get a cheaper and stronger steroid and go with lower dose :)

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thegymrat102271 said:
I ran a similiar cycle about 18weeks on eq and had very good results some years ago. I was also using a very high dose of test with it and noticed that at the heaviest point of my cycle about 12-13weeks in I got very lethargic and had to use ephedrine and energy drinks to really get in the zone which was not usual for me.
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Did you check your RBC and BP?
Did you take arimidex or letro?
 
NAIR said:
Goal: high quality muscle gain. Thinking about running EQ, Primo, Test for 16 weeks. Test: TRT (200mg/wk)EQ: 600-800Primo 800Mid 30s, fairly lean, with plenty of cycles under my built.Thoughts?

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WTF is with the formatting? I formatted this post and it completely disregarded my inputs. Do we have to input HTML? And I can't edit my post either?
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Formatting? you typed out two sentences lmao, how many ways can it be formatted genius boy wonder lmao
 
Presser said:
Formatting? you typed out two sentences lmao, how many ways can it be formatted genius boy wonder lmao
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Correct. I want them on different lines, however. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. So I just started using html ("<br>")
 
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