Hi guys.Just a quick question as ive been reading alot recently that guys are baking there oil to 250 degrees for like 45 mins as it kills of all bacteria.This is not something i have done before as i keep temp close to the melting point as possible.When they say 250 degrees im sure they mean farenheit and cant be degrees or can it?Im sure 250 degrees c will burn the oil and also damage the hormone.What you lot think?What is the best way to do this; everyone has there own tried and tested methods but what would be the textbook way of doing this?
How much do you heat your brew?
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Yes it's 250F a lot of people do this as it will sterilize and kill any bacteria a guy from another forum is a vet and just cooks in the oven doesn't use any BA and BB and no filtering
I myself only take it to melting point and once all powder is gone and clear warm up your carry oil to the same temp mix again once clean then filter warm makes it faster i think if your new to it just do the set system and later if you want to play around with other stuff try it but like you say everyone has there own way so find what works best for you
I myself only take it to melting point and once all powder is gone and clear warm up your carry oil to the same temp mix again once clean then filter warm makes it faster i think if your new to it just do the set system and later if you want to play around with other stuff try it but like you say everyone has there own way so find what works best for you
that guy i would say is a moron
Powderguy
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So many people saying "I read it on the internet it must be true" There are some very knowledgeable individuals on here that will tell you that the information is bad advice..I will be the first one.
Now I'm not here to bust your balls but first lets go over what was said..Yes heat can kill bacteria, what happens after it cools and has no antimicrobial in it..well it immediately starts to build bacteria...so that theory is BS. If you heat, filter heat, add antimicrobial and seal it will have a shelf life of a few years..once exposed to oxygen again (needle in the vial) the deteriorateion process starts.
Heating oil...I don't care what kind of oil you have, when you heat oil it, it to starts to break down, just like a cars oil. So you should not be heating to high temps, and don't heat oil with the antimicrobial in it (BA and BB).. this will simply cause it to evaporate out of the solution and leaving you with a thick oil and lots of waste by products.
If you heat keep it about 112-121 degrees..that good enough heat.
I hope this helped
Now I'm not here to bust your balls but first lets go over what was said..Yes heat can kill bacteria, what happens after it cools and has no antimicrobial in it..well it immediately starts to build bacteria...so that theory is BS. If you heat, filter heat, add antimicrobial and seal it will have a shelf life of a few years..once exposed to oxygen again (needle in the vial) the deteriorateion process starts.
Heating oil...I don't care what kind of oil you have, when you heat oil it, it to starts to break down, just like a cars oil. So you should not be heating to high temps, and don't heat oil with the antimicrobial in it (BA and BB).. this will simply cause it to evaporate out of the solution and leaving you with a thick oil and lots of waste by products.
If you heat keep it about 112-121 degrees..that good enough heat.
I hope this helped
charliebigspuds
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I bake my oil for 30 mins let it cool then add to BB BA and hormones. I NEVER cook my gear ever.
charliebigspuds
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tren is a fine example of this..do not heat tren to much..just enough to filter and for the hormone to desolve..
is that 112-121 degrees C of F?
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You really don't need to heat it up that much, so I'm pretty sure he meant F. You know its gonna hold at 20-25 degrees C and be fully dissolved. The heating process is just making the powder dissolve faster.
You could actually just leave it like that in room temp and it should get dissolved after a while (with BB and BA in the mixture ofcourse).
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You really don't need to heat it up that much, so I'm pretty sure he meant F. You know its gonna hold at 20-25 degrees C and be fully dissolved. The heating process is just making the powder dissolve faster.
You could actually just leave it like that in room temp and it should get dissolved after a while (with BB and BA in the mixture ofcourse).
Powderguy
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Its Fahrenheit, I'm not working metric. If you go higher temps you will degrade. You can add everything together and use that temp as a basic, we are warming it to saturate the solution, not trying to cook it.
If you keep it low, heat it, let it cool some, make sure it holds at room temp then filter, you will be fine.
If you keep it low, heat it, let it cool some, make sure it holds at room temp then filter, you will be fine.
So at what point in your process are you heating up your Raws to there melting point?
I used to mix my BA, BB and Raws, mix until dissolved. Then Add my oil and heat the entire blend to my Raws melting point while my mixer is mixing.. Is this incorrect?
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I don't heat oils. If you mean while brewing I take my brew to the melting point of the hormone I'm working with and no higher. There is no reason. And there is no reason to bake filtered brew once finished if made correctly. As stated above it will break down any oil and the solvents will begin to evaporate so just follow the sticky and make it then filter into a sterile media bottle and use a sterile pipette or whatever tool you use to transfer to sterile vials. Air will always touch everything at some point but if you are working in a relatively clean area you will be just fine. I do disinfect the entire area I'm working in prior to and sometimes during just to keep it clean but I don't let anything sterile touch anything else to begin with
Dean Destructo
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You just want to heat your oil enough to pass through the filters easily, and do it indirectly.
Heat to 150F (66C) for 15 minutes or 180 F (82 C) for 5-7 minutes and you will kill any bacteria that can affect the human body. I prefer the first. For example Test Prop powder (without impurities) has a melting point of about 248F (120C). Any temperature well under the melting point (200F (90C or less) won't even come close to affecting your gear if it isn't exposed for more than 30 minutes. We discuss these specific temperatures, but if you are using an oven remember that and I can not stress this enough, YOUR OVEN IS ALMOST NEVER ACCURATE and I would suggest buying a couple oven thermometers at your local supermarket to see how far off your pre-set oven temperature is compared to the external thermostat you bought. My oven was off by 40 degrees on the high side. After you find out what your real temperature is, pre-heat it for 15 minutes at 150F (66C) and you have effectively sterilized it.
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Heat depends on the hormone. The solvents will put them into liquid before their melting point. I use an accurate thermometer and I heat each hormone slowly to its melting point to ensure it doesn't crash in depot. Short esters tend to need higher heat no esters require a lot of heat but I heat everything by Celcius. And I go off the melting points just slowly bringing it to the melting point with an automatic stirrer or stirring frequently with the thermometer attached to the side of my breaker. Then once I reach melting point I remove it from the heat but continue to stir it will generally help bring the temp down. You don't want to heat to high over it under but that's just how I've done mine for the past 10 years or so.
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