my new peristaltic pump question. is the white peice really needed?

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could i just connect the smaller tube to a bigger tube and have that attached to my polycap?
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do i need this crap ^ came with my pump.


also for my polycap there is a little white cap on it as well, it says to inject solutions to or releif for air... not sure if i need this? do i leave it on or off..

Whatman Polycap AS 36mm Capsule Filter, 0.22um. there is a white cap that u can twist on or off. do i leave this on or off.
 
could i just connect the smaller tube to a bigger tube and have that attached to my polycap?
i64.tinypic.com/1zqcvu8.jpg

do i need this crap ^ came with my pump.


also for my polycap there is a little white cap on it as well, it says to inject solutions to or releif for air... not sure if i need this? do i leave it on or off..

Whatman Polycap AS 36mm Capsule Filter, 0.22um. there is a white cap that u can twist on or off. do i leave this on or off.
Didn't click your link but sounds like it's to prime it.
Either fill with oil to get going or relieve air lock.
If sir pressure builds between without and vent it will and can get air locked.

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Didn't click your link but sounds like it's to prime it.
Either fill with oil to get going or relieve air lock.
If sir pressure builds between without and vent it will and can get air locked.

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thank you. so 10 ml of oil squirted in that and hten i put the cap back on and pu the tube in hte other part and start my pump? and if the pump slows down. i would just open that cap again to relief the air pressure? and then put the cap back on and continue?
 
thank you. so 10 ml of oil squirted in that and hten i put the cap back on and pu the tube in hte other part and start my pump? and if the pump slows down. i would just open that cap again to relief the air pressure? and then put the cap back on and continue?
I will look at it before afternoon is up. I am a mechanic and understand about pressures, priming and air locking.
Sounds like it makes sense to me I have seen capsule filters that u pump or suck threw I think but I never paid mind because I only used syringe or vacuum bottle top. Someone else may answer before I can double check. If not give me a bit to give u correct answer

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Also depending on filter type for liquids alot of times they need to be pre-wet like with ba.

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Also depending on filter type for liquids alot of times they need to be pre-wet like with ba.

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thanks for your help, this is the filter that i have

medical-and-lab-supplies.com/filtration/whatman-polycap-filter-w-filling-bell-36-as-0-22um-pore-size-qty-1.html

as you can see it has the white little cap. the blue caps are where it disepsnes at the bottom and the top blue cap is where i connect my tube to. but that white cap. i am unsure. do i remove it and insert some oil into it. and then close it again. or just leave it open? unsure if i leave it open the filter will overfill and oil will go through that. not sure how it works.
 
thanks for your help, this is the filter that i have

medical-and-lab-supplies.com/filtration/whatman-polycap-filter-w-filling-bell-36-as-0-22um-pore-size-qty-1.html

as you can see it has the white little cap. the blue caps are where it disepsnes at the bottom and the top blue cap is where i connect my tube to. but that white cap. i am unsure. do i remove it and insert some oil into it. and then close it again. or just leave it open? unsure if i leave it open the filter will overfill and oil will go through that. not sure how it works.
Let me ask u this?
Your liquid to be filtered does pump suck it out beaker and pump it thru filter.
Then from filter it goes into what?
Another breaker or media bottle?

If you do not have other end finished filtered end with it sealed u won't have to vent as often. But once u get pressure and air out I will wanna leave capsule filter pointed down toward flow and if u don't vent every so often if pressure gets too high u can bust filter or something.

Also if u have a small amount to filter u can get pump connected and add threw hole with syringe with filter straight down then screw cap tight start pump air pressure will push threw filter.

Keep in mind that pressure cannot exceed filter max pressure.

I will look at it your link was gone for me to look up. Hope some of my post helps I will look at filter.

What I need u to do is explain me your set up. Contents to be filtered, hose to suck, then pump hose, filter with vent inlet side, then outlet side with hose going to media or beaker. Am I correct?
And be sure your final bottle or beaker isn't sealed to let pressure escape

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Looked at it. What I put above is correct.
Hook up the way I described with filter flow pointed down. Use vent to let trapped air escape so u have whole capsule as full as solution to be filtered as possible. More area being filtered less air stuck.
Use it to let air out until solution is filling capsule. Close it open a little at a time to let air stuck out if necessary. Or if u have a smaller sample to run add it in capsule threw vent hole then kick pump on.
Be sure u have capsule always pointed down towards flow with vent at highest point when full.
Ok got it!!! Lol!! Now send me some of what u filtering and I will tell u if it is right and works like it should and has been filtered correct!
Lol!!! Just kidding let me know how it works though.
Also be sure your hoses are sealed good on inlet of pump outlet of pump and same for filter inlet and outlet. Pressure can make a leak or suck air depending on place. All pressure will be on pre-filter side and up to outlet of pump. Suction will be before pump and then is where u can suck air through a leak.
Good luck!!!

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thank you. the hose goes in the beaker. and then sucks it up and goes into my filter into a media bottle(not sealed)

i will take a picture of the setup for you in a few minutes so you can see yourself.
 
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here are pictures . no this is not my complete setup. pictures are demonstrated to show you how my setup is. The pump will be mounted on my wall, the beaker will be secure in a holder. the hose will be clipped against the wall . This is just to show you what i mean when i say how my pump will operate and dispense the liquid! so please no critiques.

just noticed the white cap is not shown in the picture but it is there... what do you think? just have ot unscrew the white cap right? and leave it opened? if i see oil coming out of it i can just put the cap back on...
 
thank you. the hose goes in the beaker. and then sucks it up and goes into my filter into a media bottle(not sealed)

i will take a picture of the setup for you in a few minutes so you can see yourself.
The way I mentioned is how u want it. Put hose suction into beaker that needs filtering.
Run hose suction to pump. Inlet
Run hose outlet to inlet of filter. With vent pointed up.
Either create something to hold in position or put hose on outlet straight into finished breaker or media.
U prolly can just tape with short hose with vent up.


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The way I mentioned is how u want it. Put hose suction into beaker that needs filtering.
Run hose suction to pump. Inlet
Run hose outlet to inlet of filter. With vent pointed up.
Either create something to hold in position or put hose on outlet straight into finished breaker or media.
U prolly can just tape with short hose with vent up.


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yea i posted pictures check above bro. let me know what you think. just have to leave the vent hose open right. and then of course secure my beaker and media bottle so it doesnt spill over or anything like that. i will use clips and tapes and have it lined up against my wall securely but just wanted ot show you quickly what my setup was looking like! :)
 
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here are pictures . no this is not my complete setup. pictures are demonstrated to show you how my setup is. The pump will be mounted on my wall, the beaker will be secure in a holder. the hose will be clipped against the wall . This is just to show you what i mean when i say how my pump will operate and dispense the liquid! so please no critiques.

just noticed the white cap is not shown in the picture but it is there... what do you think? just have ot unscrew the white cap right? and leave it opened? if i see oil coming out of it i can just put the cap back on...
Don't wait to lose oil. Only use to vent air between, trapped, or from consuming space. Air with always go to top. So leave vent at top. Just like how u get air out syringe.
It's just to get flowing without air trapped taking uo space.
Or its to drop in a smaller, say 10ml sample then start pump. Air pressure will push small sample thru filter in this position fluid can't back up against pressure.
Then smaller sample is a way to not have to go thru pump and still use filter and pump for pressure or on other end thru a cap on medieval with a hole for vacuum

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Don't wait to lose oil. Only use to vent air between, trapped, or from consuming space. Air with always go to top. So leave vent at top. Just like how u get air out syringe.
It's just to get flowing without air trapped taking uo space.
Or its to drop in a smaller, say 10ml sample then start pump. Air pressure will push small sample thru filter in this position fluid can't back up against pressure.
Then smaller sample is a way to not have to go thru pump and still use filter and pump for pressure or on other end thru a cap on medieval with a hole for vacuum

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thanks. the manua does not say anything about putting oil through first before starting so i assume that the vent is just ot relieve pressure. how do i know if air is being trapped. any signs to look for?
 
This is what my manual says, maybe you can translate this for me into real people language lol. Because from my understanding, I plan to just start right away at low pressure. (tren ace i am filtering) and then slowly increase the pressure with the vent open at first and then i plan to close it.

this is what the manual says.


INTEGRITY TESTINGl BUBBLE POINT TEST. = Flush the filter device with an appropriate aqueous solution. After the membrane is completely wetted, apply air under controlled pressure util air breaks out the membrane and bubbles from the outlet connector. the pressure at which air passes through the wetted membrane is the bubble point. Refer to the table for pore size and BP values. The test is conducted with outlet connector pointed downward.


FILTERATION INSTALLATIONS- Small volumes may be filtered using a syringe; larger volumes may be filtered by connecting a hose to the outlet of a pressure vessel or in line. using gravity or a peristaltic pump for the pressure required to filter. AIR LOCKS seriously hamper flow rates. To eliminate air locks during initialtion of flow, use low pressure. bleed off air with vent. then increase pressure and flow. the air system and filter device must be flushed prior to the filter being wettted. (use the manual vent to exhaust trapped air)



so i cant just jump into filtering my tren ace? i have to use BA to flush the system with my pump first? im confused. do i use that manual vent to inject ba into it? can you help me out. because i am having hard time understanding
 
thanks. the manua does not say anything about putting oil through first before starting so i assume that the vent is just ot relieve pressure. how do i know if air is being trapped. any signs to look for?
Pump it till it gets to filter and bleed air out. If u get more air u have a leak on suction end.
A good way to solve this is install a valve close it and shut off pump. And open to bleed. Then open and start pump.
This is so you don't waste any. U should be able to see fluid line thru capsule. If u can't shine flash light or put light against back side. When u bleed air pressure trapped air it will bubble out vent until nothing but fluids are there.
If u want let lines fill from pump to capsule then shut off pump and fill with syringe through vent hole till fill to top then presto.
If it wants to back up install valve on suction side of pump or pull out tube and hold finger over like a straw. Finnish filling with syringe then screw cap back on. Put tube back in solution kick pump on.
I hope u got it. It's common sense not complicated. Air always rises and will pressure up. Unless u release it can just block and prevent full area of liquids to fill capsule. No bid deal. It is just like how a injector pump on a diesel engine gets air locked when u run it out of fuel.
Air needs to be let out for diesel to pass to get to injectors so u can fire up again.
Same here constant liquid pressure has to be against filter.
Air pressure can push liquid but air pressure stuck between will go to highest points and create a lock.
U can't have stuck air pressure between it has to be released period it will never go down hill ever. Only up or at highest point and create "air lock"

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This is what my manual says, maybe you can translate this for me into real people language lol. Because from my understanding, I plan to just start right away at low pressure. (tren ace i am filtering) and then slowly increase the pressure with the vent open at first and then i plan to close it.

this is what the manual says.


INTEGRITY TESTINGl BUBBLE POINT TEST. = Flush the filter device with an appropriate aqueous solution. After the membrane is completely wetted, apply air under controlled pressure util air breaks out the membrane and bubbles from the outlet connector. the pressure at which air passes through the wetted membrane is the bubble point. Refer to the table for pore size and BP values. The test is conducted with outlet connector pointed downward.


FILTERATION INSTALLATIONS- Small volumes may be filtered using a syringe; larger volumes may be filtered by connecting a hose to the outlet of a pressure vessel or in line. using gravity or a peristaltic pump for the pressure required to filter. AIR LOCKS seriously hamper flow rates. To eliminate air locks during initialtion of flow, use low pressure. bleed off air with vent. then increase pressure and flow. the air system and filter device must be flushed prior to the filter being wettted. (use the manual vent to exhaust trapped air)



so i cant just jump into filtering my tren ace? i have to use BA to flush the system with my pump first? im confused. do i use that manual vent to inject ba into it? can you help me out. because i am having hard time understanding
Just do what I said.
U are only filtering gear. U don't need to do nothing because u know your pore size will do. Any integrity test this is only to reference a possibility break in filter or time to change any pre-filter. In my understanding.
Do what I said in post above.
Make a valve or use finger on suction end wetting first should always be done with ptfe filter when filtering liquid that is why I use nylon or pdfv on my bottle tops or syringe filter but just running a little thru should help but if you have a large volume to filter I have heard ba works best for wetting. Just put a little on membrane through vent hole and move it back and forth.
Then pump some air thru so it penetrates.
Ptfe handles chemicals like ba with no problem unlike other membranes.
After u wet start pump allow lines to fill watch through vent until full of fluids.
If they don't get air pushed out shut off pump and hold finger over suction hose. Pull it out solution to put finger over.
Now fluids are stuck. Finish filling with syringe from your beaker. Till only fluids are inside all air will have risen to top of coarse its law of physics.
After its full put back into solution carefully only after vent is back tight so other end has same affect of finger on it. Do this to keep AIR OUT. AIR WILL BLOCK FLOW AND LOCK.
U can start pump and presto. Once air is out and u have secured connects tight no air will get better again unless u have a leak but shouldn't get one.
Once this is done and u almost complete u may have to get bottom on beaker put by syringe and filled capsule or suction hose held above allowing gravity flow and air to always rise. This is to not waste bottom. Or u can do rest of bottom with a syringe filter your choice. Or fill thru vent and turn pump on then once air lock or full fill again with syringe till complete.
Hope u got it.


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sorry man but i am confused. you say i have leak on my suction end? but it is a brand new pump. i should not have any leaks. i dont understand.
 
sorry man but i am confused. you say i have leak on my suction end? but it is a brand new pump. i should not have any leaks. i dont understand.
Never said that. I said that it is always possible to get leak on hose connection at fitting. This can happen with anything new or old. Barbed fitting with correct size fitting to hose size or a clamp down secures. How would I say u had a leak in never saw your system operating.
Sorry bud, but read what I posted, I never used a such pump but it's laws of physics and any mechanical pumping system for fluids with pressure and fittings. Anything will suck where least resistance is, like an air leak at fitting from not being secured, instead of the solution in beaker pushing it threw a .2 filter.
I gave u my 2cents.
If u didn't catch on get a bottle top or syringe filter.
This set up may be to mechanically confusing to u.
If u read what I put u should understand.
If not look at diagrams thru Google for your filter type and setups.
I hate to give up on someone but I feel like it's all there. Good luck

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i just did ran the pump and i did not wet it before hand and it went through fine. i left the cap on i didnt even take it off. and the pump didnt freeze up or anything. so no offense but i didnt listen to anything you said and it worked. i didnt need to pre wet it... i didnt need to do nothing . lol.

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the pump stopped for 10 seconds... i did nothing then it continued to run on its own without me letting air out or anything.. i think you are confused with a peristaltic pump and a vacume pump. like i said.

i turned the swich on. it sucked up the oils... and filtered right through. and then it even sucked up air because their was little oil left at the bottom of beaker and nothing happened at all. so i dont think you understand this setup my friend. not me. but i do appreciate your help... i didnt even let the air cap off... i didnt pre wet it. and i filtered 1000 ml in 5 minutes lol.
 
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