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I wasn't referring to gains, I was speaking from the aspect of post-cycle recovery. If I was in your position, I wouldn't be worrying about recovering from 3 weeks of tren usage as much as recovering from supraphysiological androgen supplementation for 23 weeks straight.

If you want to keep this one short (~6 weeks), you'll have to use the faster stuff (prop & winny). If you don't care (~8-10 weeks), prop would still be a great way to go with some EQ. The only thing about the EQ is if you plan on running ECA too, your blood pressure might get a bit high. If...

The suspension is out because you'll bloat a lot from it (because of the timing - no ester), as is the enanthate. But you don't have enough prop either. And the winny will absolutely destroy your lipid profile, something you should consider. It certainly works, but there is a price. Not sure...

If you just want to drop a few pct's, why wouldn't you save all of your gear and just use clen & eca for awhile and jump on when you're ready to go? How old are you anyway?

I don't think the 3 weeks of fina is going to do anything more to you than 23 weeks straight of using exogenous androgens has already done.

Please don't say this is your first cycle...

You could use any short-acting med while the longer stuff is tapering....stuff like dbol, t prop, t suspension, a50, winstrol, primobolan S tabs, tren acetate, etc. It's beneficial because after your last injection of the longer stuff, total androgen levels will start dropping off. You can use...

Who's really qualified to say? If you really want to know, have blood tests done 1-2 weeks before cycle, mid-cycle, end of cycle, and 8-10 weeks post-cycle. Then compare all of the results and you'll have your answer. Other than that, all you can do is read the studies and draw your own...

Bro, it doesn't matter what you do now, your recovery is probably going to be very difficult. Periodic hcg usage is MANDATORY for long cycles like this. If you would have been using hcg weekly, you would have at least prevented significant testicular atrophy. That's one barrier to recovery...

What do you want to know about it?

You've got your terms a little mixed up. You're not "bridging" with the dbol because you're actually coming off when you start clomid. You're "tapering" with the dbol...big difference. Bridging means you're never really coming off AAS, meaning your endocrine system never restores itself.

Bro, if you're disappointed pumping in 1300+ mg/wk of gear, then you're doing something wrong. God, that's more than double what I take. You can always do another "first cycle".... just take a year off and start up again. Your body will be just as freaked out as it was the first time around.

I change everytime I step into the gym, whether it be weight, reps, intensity (e.g., drop-sets, super-sets), exercises, etc. My body has no idea what it's in for when training time rolls around.

hmmmm, that sure sounds familiar...:rolleyes:

It's Liv52 and yes, it's the best product. Do an Internet search and read the abstracts for yourself.

I have also experienced this! Yeah, you missed my point that there's no need to choose one over the other. Run 'em both and I guarantee you'll love it.

prop and dbol are not mutually exclusive meds nor do they do the same thing. So for people to pick one over the other still doesn't make a lot of sense to me. But I don't own the patents to dbol so I don't care whether anyone uses it or not. And that's my rant, lol.

Excellent growth, moron LOL! Seriously, good work, bro.

I know a bit about this subject since I've built my own commercial facility. Let me say that once you use commercial equipment, all of that pro-sumer stuff feels like garbage.... loose joints, cheap padding, lightweight, lowgrade steel. You can do more with a few utility benches and a couple...

If the whey's and caseinates are giving you trouble, try a good egg albumin powder mixed with water. It will probably taste terrible, but egg's amino acid profile is probably the best available.