Almost 21 years old, And AAS....

[LeisureMuscle]

Hi there, I'm S here. I'm 20 years old, I turn 21 on the 29th.
I have used one Testosterone Cyp cycle for 10 weeks at 400mg a week when I was 18 1/2 years old, Followed by a 4wk nolva PCT.

I have not used than since. And do not plan to until I naturally bulk up with 2 20-25 week bulk cycles of dieting.
(Hitting about 188-200lbs is possible for me to do naturally in a year, Yes sounds crazy and rubbish, But I plan to blog my very details and show my potential and catch up to where I should be.) Solid muscle, Some fat. I don't rely on my genetics, But rely on the actions that need to be done in order to accomplish what I have set in mind.
(My so called half assed pig out dieting over the last year of off/on lifting was a shame and still made plenty of lean gains)

WEIGHT: 158-162 (weighed myself) 6pack abs, dense overall body
BODYFAT: 8-9%
HEIGHT: 5'6-5'7
I will not explain my diet only because my father who also was a Builder told me: Figure it out on your own, So I do my own thing as far as dieting comes along, And if you know some of the science behind glycogen,aminos/protein, fats etc overall nutrition, Some experimenting doesn't take long to have a solid DIET.

Haven't lifted in a good 4 months. Kept a lot of muscle from the time away from the gym, And I am starting back up next month but staying consistent 24/7 until the day of the show I decide. Very strong overall physique, I first would like to put on what I can naturally, Then taper my bulk into pre contest dieting about 16 weeks out. It being my first show, I am not too concerned taking gear that's directed to fat burning and am set on more towards mass-building/preserving.
If you eat like shit, You look like shit, So dieting, then cardio, then drugs will come...


I might be thinking too far ahead, But I am wondering if this looks good for my 2nd cycle. (I just want to get an order of my gear in that way I can have everything prepared when the time comes for my next show 16 wks out)

Monday-AM // Thursday PM I pin.
500mg Test E 12 or 16 weeks
Possibly Deca or EQ @ 400mg weekly.

I have done off and on research over the years, And am not sure about what I should be taking on the side as far as research chems, And the help would be appreciated on schooling me a bit.

I understand hardwork and dedication day in and day out for days, weeks, and years of consistency, And I am ready for all of that. My physique POPS, And I am looking forward to getting back into the bodybuilding community without my head in my ass.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the future responses so much.

 

[big in vegas]

As far as peptides go I swear by IGF. It's really helped me bring up lagging muscles and to remain full and pumped much longer. And for your cycle if you are seriously considering EQ I'd recommend a dose of 600mg a week to really get the most out of it. You are absolutely correct about diets, that is what has got to be in check in order to grow. Training is a lot more beneficial with a proper diet.

 

[big in vegas]

AAnAndAnd welcome to the board, you'll learn a lot here and it'll keep you gaining if you follow the advice of the experienced guys around here

 

[Buffalo]

I'll get it out of the way; man that is young for some gear. Have you had blood work done to see where your test levels are at off of it?

I would choose EQ and run it as long as your test cycle at what Big said, about 600mg.

As far is research chemicals are you wondering about peptides or SERMS and Anti E's to run for on cycle and post cycle?

You mentioned bulking naturally then taking gear for your prep. Are you wanting to run that cycle laid out for your prep?

 

[LeisureMuscle]

I'll get it out of the way; man that is young for some gear. Have you had blood work done to see where your test levels are at off of it?

I would choose EQ and run it as long as your test cycle at what Big said, about 600mg.

As far is research chemicals are you wondering about peptides or SERMS and Anti E's to run for on cycle and post cycle?

You mentioned bulking naturally then taking gear for your prep. Are you wanting to run that cycle laid out for your prep?

I see pros who use at a tender age, I don't think gear being ran by someone responsible at 21 isn't too bad. Me using gear at 18 1/2 even with a decent diet wasn't the best choice, Did some learning since then =)

Yeah i'm more curious as far as it comes to AI's/antie - and serms possibly peptides to be honest, The IGF has got me curious.

 

[LeisureMuscle]

AAnAndAnd welcome to the board, you'll learn a lot here and it'll keep you gaining if you follow the advice of the experienced guys around here

Thanks

 

[LeisureMuscle]

As far as peptides go I swear by IGF. It's really helped me bring up lagging muscles and to remain full and pumped much longer. And for your cycle if you are seriously considering EQ I'd recommend a dose of 600mg a week to really get the most out of it. You are absolutely correct about diets, that is what has got to be in check in order to grow. Training is a lot more beneficial with a proper diet.

I haven't done too much investigation on IGF. Would love to hear more about it though. I should take the time to take a quick look around - If you have anything else more nice to say about it, Please inform me

 

[The Dude]

Those AAS doses are way too high. You don't need more than half of that. I'm not trying to be a prick, but it would be more beneficial to get in the gym now and start training rather than talking about drugs, peptides and diet.

 

[Buffalo]

I see pros who use at a tender age, I don't think gear being ran by someone responsible at 21 isn't too bad. Me using gear at 18 1/2 even with a decent diet wasn't the best choice, Did some learning since then =)

Yeah i'm more curious as far as it comes to AI's/antie - and serms possibly peptides to be honest, The IGF has got me curious.

If you're going to do it I guess there is no sense it talking you out of it. I just think and I'm sure most would agree that they'd like to see you wait a few years to see your entire potential naturally. But there is nothing wrong with thinking about it and being safe about it.

 

[LeisureMuscle]

Those AAS doses are way too high. You don't need more than half of that. I'm not trying to be a prick, but it would be more beneficial to get in the gym now and start training rather than talking about drugs, peptides and diet.

Can't start training until september 16th. Lots of issues going on.
I'm doing what I can for now though as far as dieting, Maintaining my mass and maybe even gaining a bit. But yeah, Just curious since I have plenty of time to rest and do life things until I get settled into my new home next month.
Maybe I can run lower doses at longer lengths such as 16 week cycles low dosed, not too low though. And diet doesn't need to be discussed which is why I didn't bring it up

If you're going to do it I guess there is no sense it talking you out of it. I just think and I'm sure most would agree that they'd like to see you wait a few years to see your entire potential naturally. But there is nothing wrong with thinking about it and being safe about it.

Yeah, I plan to later on down the road for sure, Just waiting and seeing for now though... :bench::bber:

 

[LeisureMuscle]

Those AAS doses are way too high. You don't need more than half of that. I'm not trying to be a prick, but it would be more beneficial to get in the gym now and start training rather than talking about drugs, peptides and diet.

P.S. - If that's your avatar, I don't mind taking some advice from the dude.
But then again, That's just well like, your opinion, man.

 

[The Dude]

P.S. - If that's your avatar, I don't mind taking some advice from the dude.
But then again, That's just well like, your opinion, man.

Lol!! Well played. That was a year ago. Ive gained quite a bit since then. I'm a huge believer in low dose extended cycles. One thing I would do differently is some HCG every week to keep natural production up. 200 of test and 200 of Deca with a good diet will allow you to gain as much muscle as your body possibly can. I did that for YEARS.

 

[LeisureMuscle]

Lol!! Well played. That was a year ago. Ive gained quite a bit since then. I'm a huge believer in low dose extended cycles. One thing I would do differently is some HCG every week to keep natural production up. 200 of test and 200 of Deca with a good diet will allow you to gain as much muscle as your body possibly can. I did that for YEARS.

That's what I was thinking, I need to get back into reading more about AAS again. Neat idea, It only makes sense to keep these gains longer at a lower dose, And build off a foundation like that, VS short/mid cycles at outrages doses that just spike this gain, The longer it takes you, The longer you keep it my dad also told me

 

[Jpotch]

I agree with Dude. If youre going to do it go low doses and long cycles. You are so young whats the rush? It sounds like you have a solid body already so put the time in to fine tune it. We were all 20 at one time and its hard to be humble and make slow steady gains. I find that younger dudes run big cycles then walk away for 6 months then repeat again and again. Make the commitment to a long steady gaining cycle and you'll stick with it longer.
Ive found through the years there is really no magic pill that will get you to your goals. Its time time and more time.

Anyways best of luck and at the end of the day its your body and your choice. Whatever you do be safe and informed.

 

[big in vegas]

The reason people are suggesting against it is because at your age your test levels are naturally through the roof. You can gain a lot just busting your ass in the gym and using a diet that is full of quality protein and carbs. If I could go back in time I'd have eaten everything in sight and trained my ass off at the ages of 18-24.

But if your mind is set then the best thing we can do is to give you the advice we all wish we had at that age