looking for some first time feedback

[wannabebigok]

What do you think about six week cycles.

I have some bros that first time ran 6weeks and saw some good results.

 

[winnie]

What do you think about six week cycles.

I also have a friend who will run winny with something like deca or prop only for 6 weeks. He swears by it, and his gains are solid, not to noticable (which is his main concern), and he seems to keep 90 to 95% of his strength and gains.

 

[cybersteffan]

What do you think about six week cycles.

I have some bros that first time ran 6weeks and saw some good results.

listen to goldenear's advice bro. he is someone who definitely knows what he's talking about.

 

[wannabebigok]

I guess now I am just debating between a 6 and 8 week cycle.

Thoughts and experiences guys?

 

[wannabebigok]

listen to goldenear's advice bro. he is someone who definitely knows what he's talking about.

I can definetly see that!

 

[goldenear]

listen to goldenear's advice bro. he is someone who definitely knows what he's talking about.

Gee cyber, thanks for the words, bro! About the 6 weekers, my last cycle was a little 6 week hit of dbol & prop. I LOVED IT! Very nice gains, very easy recovery, just a great experience overall. Fast-acting stuff is pretty much a requirement for the short ones because you don't want to waste 2-3 weeks tapering up and down (because of the long esters). By day 10, I was flying!

I wouldn't classify Omnadren as a fast-acting testosterone compound because of the heavier esters...the bulk of that 250mg is on the back-end anyway, not the front-end (prop, phenylprop). So you should run this one 8 weeks.

About the nolvadex, I will never use it during a cycle unless I develop gyno problems. I think people generally underestimate the ability to control bloat with dietary restraint.

About the dbol, I don't think 7 weeks is too long to run 20mg/day. That drug has been abused a whole lot worse than that over the past 60 years. Dbol was created specifically for athletic use in retaliation of the Eastern Block countries' use of testosterone (methyltest I think). I seriously doubt that hepatotoxicity was considered much during those early years, yet I don't recall hearing anything about Olympic athletes suffering from various liver diseases...virilization (in females) yes, hepatotoxicity no. So I think the hepatotoxicity of some orals has been greatly exaggerated. That doesn't mean you should stay on them continuously, though.

If you have any reservations, then drop the dbol after week 4 and resume it at week 7-8 for 3 more weeks like I explained earlier. This is what is happening: Because the Omnadren will be tapering off (due to the heavier esters), your testosterone levels will be falling throughout those 3 weeks, but probably not enough to cause the hypothalamus and pituitary to resume endogenous production (through LH and FSH release). You may as well make those last 3 weeks as productive as possible by augmenting your declining testosterone levels with the dbol. The beauty is about the time you will run out of dbol (about 21 days), everything will clear simultaneously and you can start your post-cycle recovery immediately.

This makes it sound like you're running a 10-11 week cycle, but not in the sense that cycles are discussed. Most people don't count the last 2-3 weeks that the longer-acting stuff sticks around as part of their cycle. That's why it's common to hear newbies say, "I've been off for 3 weeks and I still feel great! No post-cycle crash for me." And you ask them what they were on, and it turns out to be something like deca and enanthate. Well, duh, that stuff is still active. Check back with me in another 3 weeks and we'll see how you feel!

 

[wannabebigok]

Golden..Solid advice bro. Honestly Thanks!

So I can start post cycle clomid at the day after my last dbol( about 3 weeks after last shot of omna)? Correct?

My post cycle will be 300mg clomid day1
100mg 10 days, 50mg 10 days. ( Sound solid )

As well I will be running milk thistle throughout. Trying to find some ALA!!

 

[goldenear]

So I can start post cycle clomid at the day after my last dbol( about 3 weeks after last shot of omna)? Correct?

Sure, that would work well. BTW, I have never read any clinical studies that employed a 300mg day 1 protocol. It's my personal opinion that 300mg/day is a complete waste and totally unnecessary. Besides, it's going to take a lot longer than 2-3 weeks worth of clomid to restore your HPTA. It's not unusual at all for users to encounter endo test problems after dropping clomid after a couple of weeks. If that happens to you, I would run nolvadex @ 20mg/day for an additional 2-4 weeks after the clomid. I've never read anything negative about using nolvadex for extended periods of time...there are probably 100,000's of women throughout the world that are taking it for the remainder of their lives. I have, however, heard a lot of complaints about extended clomid usage; enough that I'll never use it for more than a couple of weeks straight.

If you're concerned about hepatotoxicity, try to find some Liv.52. It's the best detoxifier that I know of.

 

[wannabebigok]

How do you run your post cycle?

 

[goldenear]

It depends somewhat on the structure of the cycle. For example, that 6-week cycle was wrapped up with a little hcg and nolvadex for about 4 weeks. For the one I'm taking now, I will start running hcg a couple days/wk after I add in the test enanthate. I agree strongly with Swale's professional opinion that preventing testicular atrophy via intermittent hcg usage will greatly improve recovery. I'll probably wrap this one up with 4-6 weeks of nolvadex @ 20mg/day.

I have used clomid and nolvadex for post-cycle recovery. Of the two SERM's, I definitely prefer nolvadex. I've also had very favorable results with fertodur (cyclofenil) in the past.

 

[wannabebigok]

It depends somewhat on the structure of the cycle. For example, that 6-week cycle was wrapped up with a little hcg and nolvadex for about 4 weeks. For the one I'm taking now, I will start running hcg a couple days/wk after I add in the test enanthate. I agree strongly with Swale's professional opinion that preventing testicular atrophy via intermittent hcg usage will greatly improve recovery. I'll probably wrap this one up with 4-6 weeks of nolvadex @ 20mg/day.

I have used clomid and nolvadex for post-cycle recovery. Of the two SERM's, I definitely prefer nolvadex. I've also had very favorable results with fertodur (cyclofenil) in the past.

How would you run clomid post cycle. Dosages , etc...

 

[goldenear]

The only thing I didn't like about your proposed clomid dosage was the 300mg on day 1. Everything else looked pretty standard. But if you start experiencing endo test problems after dropping the clomid, I would run nolvadex @ 20mg/day for 3-4 more weeks.