Looking for the best ECA substitute around
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If its just to wake up maybe some caffeine pills. If you want it to also increase fat loss I would suggest yohimbine, not orally but injection with a slin pin. I use to do this and it would increase my pulse and energy but it would make me slightly confused and I think it made me more winded in the gym. Oral and injection are very different with yohimbine I have taken 30mg at one time orally and it did not compare to 1mg sub-q injection. I don't know anyone that sells it for injections so you would have to make it yourself with also poses sterility concerns so it might not be the smartest thing to do.
hyperlite32
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It works exactly the same. The EC feels just like the ECA. I have been using fat burners for awhile. I have been using 500mcg B-12 every morning. I ran out for about a week. I have noticed a HUGE drop in appatite and overall energy levels. Give the B-12 a shot.
Yeah for me it is exactly the same, 25mg E and 200 Caff and I am ready to run a marathon (or go to work). I do it upon waking and an hour before lifting when taking it. I may bump up the E 50mg for the morning dose (was reading some studies @ Avant Labs that the higher E may help w/ fat loss). I pop a B complex vitamin too which seems to help.
I only do it for a month or so when I need to drop just a few lbs to keep the pants fitting, it stops being effective after that. I gave up all other caff in my life is so it really works when I need it though.
I only do it for a month or so when I need to drop just a few lbs to keep the pants fitting, it stops being effective after that. I gave up all other caff in my life is so it really works when I need it though.
DragonRider
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cr4ytonic said:
That is one of the reasons for the aspirin in the stack. It's supposed to prevent attentuation.
Many people believe once they quit getting the jitters the stack isn't working anymore.
Studies show that the fat loss continues and even increases after the jitters.
Presser are you taking baby aspirin (81mg) with that? Also, have you tried clenbuterol? I'm assuming with your experience in the game you have.
Technically, yohimbe should work similarly since both are affecting different ß adrenergic receptors, but oral yohimbe makes me nausiated and I get very bad concentration problems while taking it.
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hey bro clen i tryed twice now both times it made me way tired believe it or not, I even left the gym once after 1 exercise because I was exhausted, its very weird with me and clen, as for asparin i have 325mg asparins, i use to use the whole thing til I would bleed when going #2 so now I cut it in less then half, so i take aprox140mg give or take a few cuase i they break weird each time, also I have sen studies that support exactly what dragonrider says about the increase in fat loss long after you get jitters and it feels as though it isnt doing anything, and i also can speak from experience and say long term use works as if not more effective as DR said above, I also cant take yohimbi, makes me very very nausiouse as well and beet red!
powerlifter
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Pinning Yohimbe seems interesting, but can't find any info on how to make the stuff.
"I use to do this and it would increase my pulse and energy but it would make me slightly confused and I think it made me more winded in the gym. Oral and injection are very different with yohimbine I have taken 30mg at one time orally and it did not compare to 1mg sub-q injection."
I can't tell you exactly how it effected fat loss but I feel that it increased fat loss some.
I can't tell you exactly how it effected fat loss but I feel that it increased fat loss some.
ready2grow
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stacker has some mints that are 50 mg of caffeine for 2 of them for $1.35 you get the equivalent of 10 cups of coffee
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