Need some Insight and Help!

[xiVFINISHERVix]

Alright to start off I'm 20 years old and have been on to full cycles of pro hormones. One which is Savage Pharma and the other which is Titan from flex. Pro hormones were my first thing I could get my hands on that was close to steroids. I don't want to use them anymore because they have serious side effects. I have been doing a lot of reading lately online about injections and I cam across this post which talked about the best mass and lean on this site. I want to start taking some mass building steroids but I want to make some friends like you guys who knows what they are doing and can educate me on this stuff more. With this being said I have been doing a lot of reading about people stacking test with other stuff. If you would not mind could you give me some insight on what I should take and how I should take it and right before my cycle is up what I should take for a PCT. I would really appreciate it man. Hope to hear back from you very soon. One other thing before I go. I experienced some gyno and I'm going to be purchasing some Novadex in the early feature. Would you recommend anything else?

Thanks xiVFINISHERVix



UPDATE



1st month of Pro Hormone was-



Savage by UG Pharma

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4en-17ß-ol-3-one - 17.5mg

17a-methyl-1, 4-androstadiene-3, 17-diol - 25mg

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one - 30mg

Androsta-3,5-Diene-7,17-Dione - 10mg



I took this 2 capsules for about 2 weeks and then took 3 for the last 2 weeks.

After I was done with this I got on Post Cycle II by Powerlab Nutrition.

I took a small 2 week cycle about 2 months later and it was Savage but I mix of the rest i had left in the bottle before and there new bottle which included.



13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one - 20mg

4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4diene-3-17b-diol - 15mg

1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione - 10mg

17b-hydroxy-2a-,17b-dimethyl-5a-androstan-3one-azine - 7.5mg



The PCT i took after this one was Arabol by CellShock Research

Last cycle I started in the beginning of April was-



Titan by FLEX Fitness Products

Halodrol - 25mg

LMG/max - 20mg

Methylsten - 10mg



3 capsules a day for 1 month and then took a pct about a week before i got off which was....another bottle I cant seem to find.

While I'm on pro hormones the sore nipples disappear and return after which a lot of people tell me is the total opposite.



PCT's

http://www.powerlabnutrition.com/newpostcycleii.html

http://www.nutrishopusa.com/product-filter



Pro-hormones

http://store.nutritioncompany.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2000305

http://supplementnationcomo.com/products-page/prohormones/bedlam-ug-pharma/

https://www.bigdansfitness.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65&product_id=101

 

[IronJulius]

welcome to MC

you need to solve your gyno problem first look up letro for gyno reversal. its going to suck but it works with most guys. first how long have you had gyno and what is it like? itchy knot or puffy nipples or did it stop itching and you still have knot?

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

welcome to MC

you need to solve your gyno problem first look up letro for gyno reversal. its going to suck but it works with most guys. first how long have you had gyno and what is it like? itchy knot or puffy nipples or did it stop itching and you still have knot?

Just have a knot under my left nipple and very small on on right. No ichy just lump and sore!

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

Is (letro) Letroxyl? Also If this it should I take this and Nolvadex?

 

[IronJulius]

Just have a knot under my left nipple and very small on on right. No ichy just lump and sore!

when did it start? while taking PH or couple weeks after? and has it been there over 6 months s

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

when did it start? while taking PH or couple weeks after? and has it been there over 6 months s

It's been right about 6 months. This is the crazy thing. After my first cycle of pro hormones I got sore nipple one the left and thought nothing of it. I decided to take another cycle a few months later because of the gains i got off the first cycle. When I started my second cycle the pain slowly went away. After my cycle was done and started my PCT thats when I noticed my nipples getting sore again.

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

when did it start? while taking PH or couple weeks after? and has it been there over 6 months s

I updated the post. Be sure to check it out

 

[IronJulius]

yes Letroxyl is letrozole, femara, anti-p, letro its all the same thing. your PCT was not enough you need nolva or clomid and im thinking it would probably be best to just start the letro reversal but i dont think you would have to do it for as long if the knots are small. i had medium size knots for over a year for the same reason sorry ass PH with real PCT. i would think start low with letro for a couple weeks and you should be fine with not extremely bad sides. we have some guys on here with more knowledge about PH who will probably steer you away from real gear for a little while. i personally would wait to run a cycle until 25 but i understand you wanting to do it now you wont be first or last so keep researching.

how i would do the letro if i were you

first 3 days .5mg then bump it up .5mg every 3 days until is goes away so if you get to 1.5mg on day 9 stay on that for 3 days and ramp back down .5mg every 3 days

or if you get to 2mg on day 10 stay on that for maybe 2 days and ramp back down. letro is mean stuff i mean stuff and i suggest not training hard its going to suck water out of you and joints will be dry could cause injury. it happened to me and i was aware of this and not training hard.

 

[IronJulius]

that might not make sense

days 1-3 take .5mg
days 4-6 take 1mg
days 7-9 take 1.5mg
days 10-12 take 2mg
days 13+ take 2.5mg
if its takes more than 2 weeks at 2.5mg its either fake letro or you need surgery. i dont think you have anything to worry about but this can be a great lesson on researching this stuff. messing with hormones and shit is no joke trust me im on HRT for life. with patience, knowledge and dedication it can be fun

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

yes Letroxyl is letrozole, femara, anti-p, letro its all the same thing. your PCT was not enough you need nolva or clomid and im thinking it would probably be best to just start the letro reversal but i dont think you would have to do it for as long if the knots are small. i had medium size knots for over a year for the same reason sorry ass PH with real PCT. i would think start low with letro for a couple weeks and you should be fine with not extremely bad sides. we have some guys on here with more knowledge about PH who will probably steer you away from real gear for a little while. i personally would wait to run a cycle until 25 but i understand you wanting to do it now you wont be first or last so keep researching.

how i would do the letro if i were you

first 3 days .5mg then bump it up .5mg every 3 days until is goes away so if you get to 1.5mg on day 9 stay on that for 3 days and ramp back down .5mg every 3 days

or if you get to 2mg on day 10 stay on that for maybe 2 days and ramp back down. letro is mean stuff i mean stuff and i suggest not training hard its going to suck water out of you and joints will be dry could cause injury. it happened to me and i was aware of this and not training hard.

Letroxyl-pill form work? That's the only one I can find online.

 

[IronJulius]

yea its going to come in a 2.5mg tab so breaking it into .5mg doses it tough but its what i did. do a search on MC anti-p

check out this thread

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/42966-gyno-removal.html

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

yea its going to come in a 2.5mg tab so breaking it into .5mg doses it tough but its what i did. do a search on MC anti-p

check out this thread

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/42966-gyno-removal.html

I appreciate the info man!

I have a lot of learning to do and you guys are helping me a lot!

 

[big in vegas]

All of the MC products are top notch and will clear your gyno right up. Nolva Bloat will be a huge help in getting rid of the lumps wihin a few dsys or so. I swear by it anytime I get any puffyness or tenderness.

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

All of the MC products are top notch and will clear your gyno right up. Nolva Bloat will be a huge help in getting rid of the lumps wihin a few dsys or so. I swear by it anytime I get any puffyness or tenderness.

The Nolva Bloat how would I come across using this?

 

[IronJulius]

The Nolva Bloat how would I come across using this?

don't really know your question so please explain. it wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and order letro, nolva and adex if you plan on running any type of cycles in the future. now that you are gyno prone you will probably get it during cycle if you don't take an AI like arimidex while on cycle and PCT like Nolvadex after cycle

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

don't really know your question so please explain. it wouldn't be a bad idea to go ahead and order letro, nolva and adex if you plan on running any type of cycles in the future. now that you are gyno prone you will probably get it during cycle if you don't take an AI like arimidex while on cycle and PCT like Nolvadex after cycle

So say the amount of money i have right now is enough to get one of the three. Which would be the best of your choice. If Nolva or Adex how would you recommend taking it.

 

[IronJulius]

letro got rid of the knots for me but its hell. how much do you weigh? or do you know ur bf%? did you have prolactin? any white stuff come out of ur nipples?

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

letro got rid of the knots for me but its hell. how much do you weigh? or do you know ur bf%? did you have prolactin? any white stuff come out of ur nipples?

See I don't think mine is that severe Because I never had anything coming out off it. Just sore and puffy. I weight in at 193 last night. No 100 percent on body fat.

Tell me why its hell?

 

[IronJulius]

noooooooooooo sex drive!!!!!!! dried me out which will caused injury even when lifting light. made me extremely tired. i mean you might be able to get rid of it with nolva if its just sore and puffy. if its a knot its probably going to need letro

 

[xiVFINISHERVix]

noooooooooooo sex drive!!!!!!! dried me out which will caused injury even when lifting light. made me extremely tired. i mean you might be able to get rid of it with nolva if its just sore and puffy. if its a knot its probably going to need letro

Well I'll try letro. Is there anything you would suggest me take while I'm on it?