Offseason Dieting experiences

[The Dude]

It could be that I'm just extra slow these last few days. I've been searching for posts similar to what I'm trying to do which is similar to what Irish is doing, but couldn't find much so I'll share my experiences thus far.
GOAL
Lose as much fat as possible while at least SLOWLY gaining a little size and strength.
SUPPLEMENTS
500mg Test C 900mg of Deca (ran out of Masteron) long story so I upped the Deca. Will lower it back to 600mg when I get the Masteron and do Masteron at 400mg a week. 120mcg of MC IGF preworkout. 20g BCAA's with cardio.
TRAINING
5 days a week with weights
6-7 days a week cardio (up to 45 minutes)
I knew starting out that low or no carbs post workout is bad for me, so my post workout shake stayed the same. About 100g of simple carbs and 80g of protein. Started out at probably another 300g a day from rice or similar and slowly lowered that to zero. From there all the carbs with meals was about 2 cups of broccoli. Protein is 10-12 oz chicken or lean beef. Lots of olive oil. Breakfast is 8oz turkey sausage and 4 scrambled eggs.
After about 3 days of no other carbs I knew at the very least I needed some carbs pre workout. So I added about 80g of carbs in the form of oatmeal about 1 hour preworkout.
Been doing this for several weeks now and in addition to leaning out pretty nicely I've still managed to increase weight or reps here and there. Absolutely no loss in strength.

 

[The Dude]

Today I was down to 238 again, but I feel lighter. I will tell you that the IGF is absolutely imperative. I would not be getting pumps without it and after over 20 years of training I know no pump = BAD.

 

[Presser]

Today I was down to 238 again, but I feel lighter. I will tell you that the IGF is absolutely imperative. I would not be getting pumps without it and after over 20 years of training I know no pump = BAD.

lol, you sound like a cave man bro, No PUMP Bad For The Dude ggrrrrrrrr

I'm with ya though, no point in training if I'm not pumping up! been there though a few times dieting but hated it, this was before i learned how to carb cycle for myself, now i can lose fat, or stay lean and add muscle and always get a pump, just a matter of timing what little carbs i do take in, and the type of carbs they are.

 

[The Dude]

lol, you sound like a cave man bro, No PUMP Bad For The Dude ggrrrrrrrr

I'm with ya though, no point in training if I'm not pumping up! been there though a few times dieting but hated it, this was before i learned how to carb cycle for myself, now i can lose fat, or stay lean and add muscle and always get a pump, just a matter of timing what little carbs i do take in, and the type of carbs they are.

I feel like a caveman sometimes. Still working on carbs and timing. Sometimes I find myself staring at the wall or floor for 20 minutes before I snap out of it.
I'm eating tons of red meat to stay fuller and help with muscle growth. I can't imagine how much I'd have to adjust carbs if I switched to fish

 

[Metal85]

The no pump starts happening sometimes with me when I have been doing the full or half body workouts. I attribute yesterday to having 3 people total working out though, but I hate when I feel like im doing all this shit and no pumps, it's like time is flying and nothing is getting done, and the gym feels stagnant

 

[fstr03svtcobra]

Dude, so are you saying that you need carbs to get a good pump?

My experience is the opposite - I need low carbs and a carb up (50-100g) pre workout to get the best pump.

 

[Millennial Monster]

Anyone here eat cream of wheat? I love that shit. Half milk half water. Some salt. Gi is supposed to be fairly high though right around 65. But I figure if I make it thick it's lower. Not a lot of calories for how much it makes either.

 

[The Dude]

Dude, so are you saying that you need carbs to get a good pump?

My experience is the opposite - I need low carbs and a carb up (50-100g) pre workout to get the best pump.

Oh ya. No carbs no pump. Carbs are only pre and post workout now. Even with about 80g of carbs preworkout, I wouldn't be getting a pump at all without all the IGF.

 

[Presser]

I feel like a caveman sometimes. Still working on carbs and timing. Sometimes I find myself staring at the wall or floor for 20 minutes before I snap out of it.
I'm eating tons of red meat to stay fuller and help with muscle growth. I can't imagine how much I'd have to adjust carbs if I switched to fish

lol, @ caveman comment. And I don't eat much red meat, i don't eat steak at all, just a matter of preference as it takes nine years to digest, so i literally have chicken coming out my ears lol, i don't even know the last time i ate beef, ill eat pork once in a great while and chicken every fucking day, gets so old, but yeah i don't fuck with steak or the like, don't get me wrong i use to throw down some bacon double cheeseburgers, but i haven't had fast food in years, and have made a point to try not eating steak , my wife though eats a shit ton of steak, when she grills my chicken she'll toss a couple steaks on for herself,

you like fish? just curious cause of your fish comment

 

[The Dude]

lol, @ caveman comment. And I don't eat much red meat, i don't eat steak at all, just a matter of preference as it takes nine years to digest, so i literally have chicken coming out my ears lol, i don't even know the last time i ate beef, ill eat pork once in a great while and chicken every fucking day, gets so old, but yeah i don't fuck with steak or the like, don't get me wrong i use to throw down some bacon double cheeseburgers, but i haven't had fast food in years, and have made a point to try not eating steak , my wife though eats a shit ton of steak, when she grills my chicken she'll toss a couple steaks on for herself,

you like fish? just curious cause of your fish comment

Without red meat, my size and strength plummets... One the low end I probably eat 8lbs of red meat a week.
I don't really like fish (except sushi or tuna sashimi), but Tilapia is bearable. My first couple show diets were all fish and chicken starting like 10 weeks out. I got lean fast, but I lost a lot of size and strength. So now I'll keep the fish at no more than maybe 3-4 weeks out.
I've never monitored my diet like this unless I was actually dieting for a show. Training is so much more enjoyable when you are still able to hit the heavy weights and see yourself leaning up at the same time

 

[Presser]

Without red meat, my size and strength plummets... One the low end I probably eat 8lbs of red meat a week.
I don't really like fish (except sushi or tuna sashimi), but Tilapia is bearable. My first couple show diets were all fish and chicken starting like 10 weeks out. I got lean fast, but I lost a lot of size and strength. So now I'll keep the fish at no more than maybe 3-4 weeks out.
I've never monitored my diet like this unless I was actually dieting for a show. Training is so much more enjoyable when you are still able to hit the heavy weights and see yourself leaning up at the same time

yeah I use to eat steak like that a lot, long time ago, and i just felt like it made my gut distended, and i seen some show on how slow it digests, but before that i ate a lot, and i even at an 8 oz flank steak the morning of my first show ever, lol, the posts are probably in our competition forum at the bottom, dpsquat who use to be a member and national level competitor had me eating steak a lot and even the day of the show lol, so i wasn't knocking it, like i said just personal preference of mine as i get older, i try to find ways to keep my waist slim as possible, and most bbers would scoff at me saying i don't eat steak, so i know its odd lol,

and do you know I've never once tried sushi! everyone raves about it, but i can't bring myself to eat that stuff! maybe one day i will try it, ill probably love it to lol

 

[Metal85]

Yeah carbs help me a ton too, without them people usually get flat

 

[The Dude]

yeah I use to eat steak like that a lot, long time ago, and i just felt like it made my gut distended, and i seen some show on how slow it digests, but before that i ate a lot, and i even at an 8 oz flank steak the morning of my first show ever, lol, the posts are probably in our competition forum at the bottom, dpsquat who use to be a member and national level competitor had me eating steak a lot and even the day of the show lol, so i wasn't knocking it, like i said just personal preference of mine as i get older, i try to find ways to keep my waist slim as possible, and most bbers would scoff at me saying i don't eat steak, so i know its odd lol,

and do you know I've never once tried sushi! everyone raves about it, but i can't bring myself to eat that stuff! maybe one day i will try it, ill probably love it to lol

Well if we end up in your area sometime or you in ours, we'll take you and the Fam out. Our treat. I can't eat enough sushi... I could literally eat nothing but sushi for days on end no problem

 

[HackTwat]

Well if we end up in your area sometime or you in ours, we'll take you and the Fam out. Our treat. I can't eat enough sushi... I could literally eat nothing but sushi for days on end no problem

ME TOO!!! I love me some SUSHI!!!!

 

[Millennial Monster]

You can make just plain vegetable sushi. Nori paper. Make some rice. Rice wine vinegar. Vegetables like celery carrots and green onion avocado. You honestly can't taste the fish in there hardly anyway. Buy the wasabi, pickled ginger and shit. I wouldn't eat sushi at any old place either. You could be on the toilet for a couple of days. Just make some veg sushi and cook some salmon or chicken. It's easier than making a pizza from scratch and you don't have to heat up the kitchen with the oven just boil some rice and cut some vegetables, roll em and cut em. Cheers.

 

[The Dude]

I might try that. I added in about 3 cups of rice yesterday as I was really flat and feeling run down. I felt great training legs, but I was back up to 237lbs

 

[The Dude]

You can make just plain vegetable sushi. Nori paper. Make some rice. Rice wine vinegar. Vegetables like celery carrots and green onion avocado. You honestly can't taste the fish in there hardly anyway. Buy the wasabi, pickled ginger and shit. I wouldn't eat sushi at any old place either. You could be on the toilet for a couple of days. Just make some veg sushi and cook some salmon or chicken. It's easier than making a pizza from scratch and you don't have to heat up the kitchen with the oven just boil some rice and cut some vegetables, roll em and cut em. Cheers.

I would love to try this!

 

[The Dude]

So I think I found a decent carb number to allow me to function and not overly flatten out. Eating about 250g of carbs not including green vegetables on non training days. 400g of carbs on training days.
I'm doing 1 high carb meal once a week. Today I had a whole Publix sub and a bag of pita chips.
Still eating 2.5lbs of chicken or 2lbs of red meat per day. Breakfast is eggs and turkey sausage so protein is way up there. Have an extra 80g of whey protein after training.
Fats are from whole eggs, olive oil, and hummus. About 80g of fat per day.

 

[HackTwat]

Sounds awesome brother!!

 

[The Dude]

So I'm down to a good 234lbs. I don't think I can get much leaner and keep my strength. I'm going to have Silk snap some pics tomorrow. I'll be seeing CH3N02 on the 18th. My face is dramatically leaner and I like it.
Me, Silk, and a friend of ours are going to Powerhouse Gym in Tampa on Tues (a few Pro's train there and it's like a place to be seen). After that I need to take a little break from the diet. I just started my Masteron again last week, so that hasn't had much time to build up (Enanthate version), but I'm considering an oral for a couple weeks for a mini rebound.
Any thoughts or recommendations? Total right now is 500mg of Test, 900mg of Deca, and just added 400mg of Masteron. It's a stout dose. I worked up to it over several months