cycle for a Marathoner- please help

I'm torn with trying to put on more muscle or running one last marathon first. I've taken EQ and Winny in the past while still trying to race and had incredibly bad pumps in my calves and had to cut the doses and eventually stop the Winny because of the 20 mile long runs and 80 miles a week sessions. I'm not looking to gain a lot of weight but just looking to keep from losing too much while running and staying muscular. I'm currently 6'2" and about 200lbs.

I was planning EQ 600mg a week and Winn 50 ED but if I try running at those doses I know I'll feel like my calves are going to rip apart... what woould be some good doses since I already have the gear. Any help?

I notice much better results when my eq is more so up in the 800mgs rage or so. Winny at 50 is good, but you mention it tears your calfs apart. Maybe just experiment a bit. You said you cut your doses lst time, try just a bit more than what you did last time and see if the pain presists. If it doesn't, maybe you could even try upping the winny a bit more.

Anaboics aren't anything new to endurance athletes but they're pretty moderate about the way they use them. Generally speaking they go in the direction of blood-building. But in your case, that might be part of the problem. It could have a lot to do with those painful pumps and EQ would be a pretty candidate for that. You might really need to moderate that EQ downward and deal with a little more tissue loss. Several years back I competed in and placed in several big marathons and no matter what I did , there was always some significant weight loss. So .again, I'd have to say moderate the anabolics until the competition is over then jump them up dramatically. Do that and raise the calories and you'll be surprised at how fast you're back up.

rubicon said:

Anaboics aren't anything new to endurance athletes but they're pretty moderate about the way they use them. Generally speaking they go in the direction of blood-building. But in your case, that might be part of the problem. It could have a lot to do with those painful pumps and EQ would be a pretty candidate for that. You might really need to moderate that EQ downward and deal with a little more tissue loss. Several years back I competed in and placed in several big marathons and no matter what I did , there was always some significant weight loss. So .again, I'd have to say moderate the anabolics until the competition is over then jump them up dramatically. Do that and raise the calories and you'll be surprised at how fast you're back up.

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most definately - and should not be running winstrol at all - bad on the joints.

if any thing - add about 200 of deca a week - you will feel great with about 400 of eq also - and your joints and tendons will be in great shape. you may have some sexual issues - so if that is important to you - add about 200 of test to replace your natural production.

you should not get the bad pumps on such low doses but should get the extra hemoglobin and anabolic state.

I would beleive that Endurance athletes would tend to stay away from steroids. AAS would be more counterproductive than productive. They are more likely to use Erythropoietin-alpha - rHuEPO-a(known as just EPO) and drugs that increase lung capacity. There is this drug nicknamed "blue magic" that was first made to dope race horses to increase lung capacity. It has been known to be used by humans. I think if endurance athletes were to use any AAS it would be low dose testosterone not much else.
I can understand your dilemma mike. If you decide to run in the marathon I sure as hell wouldn't wan't to be on EQ especially at 600mg's LOL... that's for bodybuilders not toothpick thin marathon runners. I would try keep your doses low, just enough to help you maintain your mass gains. I wouldn't want to run a marathon retaining water, having incredidbly painful pumps, and blood pressure which is slightly higher than YOUR normal. Minimize the side-effects, 26.2 miles is a long run.

BTW, when I say endurance athletes I am meaning the likes of LONG distance cyclists,runners etc...not meaning 400m, 800m track and so on... thats different.

thanks for the replies guys, I think I'm going to skip the Winny, Deca has always appealed to me because of the joint lube but the sides worry me and I'm very prone to gyno...

I agree, EPO would be appealing for your sport. Also, I think that the right AS would be benefical too. I alway find that my endurance goes up on AS, so that would help you, you just need to tkae one that is more for hardness and not for bloat or wieght gian. I would reconsider the deca, it will add mass and water. I would also be leary of eq, due to your calves they might get a nasty pump for it. Primo or var would be my top picks. Halo, tren also come to mind.