Thing to take with sus

I just bought a cycle of sus, but I'm not to sure about all of the other things to take with it. I am going to take novalex but what are other things for the ligaments and joints??

my first cycle was sust and deca I gained 24lbs and 07oz in 8 weeks

500mg sust
300mg deca
40mg dbol
clomid and DHEA post

seeing your a newbie id go for 500mg of sust a week for whole cycle 40 mg of d-bol a day for first 6 weeks start your pct with clomid 3 weeks after your last shot of sust. you should be happy with your results

Shoot your sust mon wen and fri 250 a pop. Sust works better injected EOD due to the two shorter esters n it. Add deca 400 or eq 4-600. Dbol is an option for a jumpstart.

Thanx guys, But how much will a supply og d-bol cost and how long will it stay in the system when I'm done, I might have to test next July for sports

60$ Don't use 40 use 30mg.You will do fine with this. Use just250 mg. instead of 500. You don't need quite that much test in you to get great results. My first was 250 mg. of enanthate and 30 mg of d-bol for 10/6 weeks. I gained 46 pounds just on this! When you up your test you tend to start seeing a lil bit of hair on your hands when you take a shower. Trust me, you'll do fine with this!

Sustanon 250 and Test Enanthate is 2 different beasts....I would have to bump what brew and Shiko said...

Take the sustanon 250mg/day Mon-Wed-Fri b/c of the shorter acting esters in it. You should taper the D-Bol at 25mg/day(wk1)-30mg/day(wk2)-
35mg/day(wk3)-40mg/day(wk4) then taper back down wk5-40mg/day then in the opposite direction. Keep the Nolvadex on hand if you feel sore nipples or signs of gynocomastia...

Clomid you want to do at 50mg/day for 3 weeks post cycle for PCT. Can add some clen to that two for those 3 weeks if you want to harden it up a bit...

Any other questions, feel free to ask. The only stupid question is the one not asked

IMHO I don't think he needs that much test even though it is sust. I'd say like 1 every 4-5 days. You have to remember that sust is also stronger than cyp. and enan.

carlsky said:

IMHO I don't think he needs that much test even though it is sust. I'd say like 1 every 4-5 days. You have to remember that sust is also stronger than cyp. and enan.

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Carlsky you are severly misiformed my man. Sust IS cyp and enan. It also contains prop and iso which are the shorter ones. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, but 45 lbs in one cycle is just redicoulous and will not happen period! especially with 250 sust. I'm not trying to flame you bro, but I've saw you come on here a little while ago asking questions that shows an inexperinced user, then all of a sudden you are advising members against the recomdation of mods and experienced vets.

Now to the matter at hand Duff, I remember you asking about ligaments. Deca will lube joints, and allow you to get the heavier weights painfree. Eq on the hand won't do that, but its been credited to healing damaged ligaments.

First of all...what are your stats?
Height?
Weight?
Age?
AAS History if any?
How long have you been training?
What are your goals?
What is your diet like?
List everything you have or want to have for your cycle.
DO NOT START A CYCLE UNTIL YOU HAVE EVERYTHING

Sorry to take this back to the basics my man, but it's necessary to give the right advice.

Lord Odin said:

Sustanon 250 and Test Enanthate is 2 different beasts....I would have to bump what brew and Shiko said...

Take the sustanon 250mg/day Mon-Wed-Fri b/c of the shorter acting esters in it. You should taper the D-Bol at 25mg/day(wk1)-30mg/day(wk2)-
35mg/day(wk3)-40mg/day(wk4) then taper back down wk5-40mg/day then in the opposite direction. Keep the Nolvadex on hand if you feel sore nipples or signs of gynocomastia...

Clomid you want to do at 50mg/day for 3 weeks post cycle for PCT. Can add some clen to that two for those 3 weeks if you want to harden it up a bit...

Any other questions, feel free to ask. The only stupid question is the one not asked

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What is your reasoning behind tapering the dbol up then down?

anything else I could add would be if you can use femara instead of nolva, it is just much more effective, and does not decrease Igf-1. Safe the nolva for post cycle therapy

just because I ask questions doesn't mean I can give answers bud. My first cycle I DID gain 45 lbs! Oh and your wrong about what sust contains. It doesn't contain cyp and fuckin enanthate!? go to steroidtips.com and look at the folowing about sust!

Sustanon 250


(Propionate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, decanoate)

Also, under the name, Dura-Testin and Sostenon. This drug is a blend of four testosterone components that have been found to react very positively together. This drug is fast acting and has a long life in the blood. It is becoming very popular lately in the U.S where it is still rather new to the market. Sustanon has been sold in Europe for many years and has been the most popular testosterone used by European athletes for a long time. It has shown to be very effective with many things going for it. To start with it is more effective at lower dosages. For most users of domestics like Cypionate and Enanthate, the drugs tend to require increased dosage each time they are used to provide the user with good results. Eventually many find themselves using 1200 mg per week or more to get results. Sustanon’s primary advantage is that it has been effective in continued use or return use at a reasonable dosage. A dose of 250 mg per week or 500 mg every 10 days is about all one needs of the Sustanon to get good results. Because of the blend of testosterones in Sustanon it seems to be recognised by the steroid receptors for longer periods of time than the previously mentioned domestics, Because a person can use less sustanon and still get results, he will see less side effects. Users report less aromatisation, less water retention, less liver stress, and less endocrine system disturbances, but still they have quality gains from the Sustanon. We did say LESS, not NO side effects. Users report the usual irretability and aggressiveness with Sustanon. The most popular way to use sustanon is on a weight gaining cycle in a stack with an oral anabolic like Anavar or Winstrol. Sustanon lasts up to four weeks in the system while still remaining active, so shots can be taken as little as every two weeks. Sustanon is available in a redi-ject syringe from Mexico under the name Sostenon, or from Europe in 1-cc ampules under the names Dura-Testin or Sustanon. The ampules cost about $10 per vial. This steroid can be found quite easily on the black market.

It doesn't matter if it is sust. It is still 250 mg of test! You don't need a gram of test a week. What the hell is that?

oh, and tapering doesn't work. Even 20mg is going to supress your test levels. This is old stuff that has been proven false. Comeon get out from underneath the rock buds.

Well, I'm glad you can cut and paste. Yes, I was wrong with the long esters, I was thinking of a UG version that uses those two intead. Regardless, get a half life chart sit down and think. Would you shoot prop once a week knowing that your levels are going to fall to nothing until you take you next shot? I'm guessing no. You want a constant level of the ester. It just doesn't make sense to effect you natural test levels for 250 mg, especially when its gonna peak in a few days and fall before you next shot The doses in one ml of sust are too low to expect the long esters to work effectively. I forget the exact doses, but the two combined are less then 200mg. By taking it EOD (750 a wk, not a gram) You are geting the benefits of the short esters by keeping the levels constant, and allowing the longer ones to build up to effective amounts.

I'm not here to get into a pissing match with you over this, but I am here to look out for our members. I feel that you were misleading a newbie who was asking for help. If you did gain 45 lbs GREAT, but I'm still not buying it. These results are NOT TYPICAL and I don't want some new guys coming on here and thinking their gonna reach the 40lb mark in 10wks with 250 sust and 30mg dbol. They are gonna come back and wonder why they only gained 7-8 lbs and why they kept damn near none of it.

I'm guessing the tapering is too help prevent such a sudden crash in strenght/ weight, I know I taper down on my dbol to avoid this.

I'm not trying to argue either. I'm sorry, but if you only gain 7 pounds then your not doing something right. Just from water with d-bol you'll gain at least 15-20 pounds dude. You only have to take sust twice a week. Your test levels don't drop that much to do it eod.

Carlsky - Maybe you gained 45lbs....a big MAYBE. It would take an excess of 157500 calories in 10 weeks to gain that much LBM. How much of that weight was water? How much did you lose after you stopped? How much was fat?

To gain 45lbs in 10 weeks isn't very healthy...it would be extremely difficult to hold onto these gains....and it is highly unlikely.

Ask any veteran with years of experience to see what he says about gaining 45 lbs in a 10 week cycle. Most likely he'll call bullshit. These guys will also tell you that it will be good to gain 5-15lbs a year. Otherwise a guy starting at 170lbs would be 260-280lbs ripped in just 3 cycles by your calculations...If that's what you think you are sadly mistaken bro...

The first couple of cycles you might be able to get 10-20lbs each, but after that it's 5-8lbs here and 5-8 lbs there.

yes because your receptors are downgraded. I started clean before I did this cycle. Yes I was retaining water but if you look at any profile on d-bol, it says you can gain 2-4 pounds a week in just 6 weeks plus add test and there ya go. You must not eat or something.

carlsky said:

but if you look at any profile on d-bol, it says you can gain 2-4 pounds a week in just 6 weeks .

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Bro thats a profile.....not real life experience. Knowledge is only half gained thru reading, the other half is real life experience. The guys on here that are in disbeleif of some of your statements are so not becuase we READ differently, but because we experience different results not once but time and time again.

We do appreciate your eagerness to help out, and we are not trying to discourage posting my our newer members in any way, we just want the advice given to be as accurate to real life as possible. So thats why some of us are gonna take different stances sometimes.

IC well I am just stating my opinions based on my results. I geuss other people are different all in all.