Tren injection problem

I've ran three "experimental" f-conversions from researchkits.com but with the recent bad publicity I've heard on this and other boards I went with universalkits. Problem is my research subject is experiencing pain in the entire muscle group that the product is injected into. There is no redness or real pain around the actual injection site and no lumps or discolorations. The pain in the muscle group subsides in a couple of days but this is a very strange experience for me as I've never had any problems with past experimental conversions. What could cause this type of reaction?

Bump for info... You are right about Research Kits ,but am not familar with their kits....

Could universalkits just use excess BA / BB that would elicit this type of reaction? I'm about to sh!tcan the entire experiment for fear of causing health problems (i.e. infection). Only hesitate the discontinuation because the converted product is completely clear and (at least to the naked eye) the end product looks exactly like all of the other experiments I've conducted.

If the pain is subsiding and you arent getting a infection their is no need to trash it. As long as you can bear the extra pain it will still work fine. We were talking about this type of thing in another thread and it could be that the product is falling out of solution once it is injected. Adding BA/BB or adding oil could help if this is the case.

Some people are really sensitive to either BA or BB. Maybe the ratio of one to the other is different than you have ecountered in the past. For example, lots of folks have problems with BA -- me, I have no problems with it at all and don't even bother with BB. Some people are just the opposite. Lately there has been a trend to more BB use. If you can, check the ratio of these two in your prior and current kit.


Also, like Cordoba said in the previous post, you might simply not have enough solvent and you may be getting recrystallization of the hormone in the muscle.

finding the solvent ratios of the "magic solutions" has proven to be impossible. I'd really rather not add more oil because I think I'd have to add so much it would render the dosage per ml to a point where I'd have to inject quite a bit (more volume, more often). I think I'd like to add more BA but don't have a clue about how much I should add at this point. I have about 25ml left at a strength of approx. 100mg/ml. Does anyone have any idea how much BA to add?

Let me ask you a question partner. Are you running the tren alone, or with some test? It is usually a good idea to run some test with it -- me I like tren/prop. Here is why I ask. I always mix the tren and the test in the pin. The oil from the test will help to smooth out your tren, especially if you let the two mix in the pin for a day or so.

BTW, I have gone as high as 10% BA -- but no BB.

therein lies another logistical problem. running 400mg/wk test cyp. no problem with the once a week injections of cyp at all. I see your point about mixing with the short acting prop if that was the case but, I'm not too sure if mixing such a small amount of cyp with each administration of tren would decrease the muscle pain to any measurable degree. I was just running tren at the end because I've read so many positive threads about doing it this way. I may just add BA little by little to see what kind of effect it has on the pain.