What's the best advice for this guy?

I have this football buddy of mine who just started juicing. He just got done with his 1st cycle of:

600mgs Test Enan EW weeks 1-12
300mgs Tren Ace EW weeks 3-14
50mgs Winny oral ED weeks 7-13

He ran femara throughout 1.25 EOD
He ran a post cycle of nolva, standard.

I held his hand through this, you could say.

He screwed up his doseages on the winny, it was supposed to last as long as the tren. He stared the test early and overlapped the tren and winny by a bit upon my advice.

He's about 5'7" started out at 217 probably 18%
He's now 5'9" (just kidding, still 5'7) but 215 and much lower BF%. I'd give him 12 probably.


He's just finished with his post cycle. He's not espacially happy. H really thought he would get some major size. I keep telling him that he did get size, he gained some serious muscle. He went from 39 lbs of fat to 26 lbs of fat. 178 no fat to 189 no fat.

He'll get past that. That's not my concern. here it goes....


What should he go on for his second cycle? He plays middle linebacker. His diet and training are A+++, no problems there.

I was thinking perhaps:

drol
test e
tren E or deca
EQ

(Please no IGF or GH suggestions, he wants to work around those)



He's got enough time this offseason to work a MAJOR BULKER now, then take the needed time off....then get back on something similar to a test prop and tren right before the season to get back to playing weight.


Help me with the bulker!!!

Thanks!

He's 31, ex-Marine, serious lifter

It’s interesting that you put Equipoise & Trenbolone in the same cycle. My research in to AAS pointed me in to the same direction as this for a very lean, quality mass cycle while at the same time boosting athletic performance in sports such as football and b-ball. I haven’t seen ANYONE talk about this combo though… Anabolics 2000 thought these two compounds were a good match for each other…

Test E
Deca or EQ (Whatever floats your boat)
Dbol

EAT LIKE AN ANIMAL EVERY DAY FOR THE WHOLE CYCLE.

Assuming his next goal is mass?

Yes, this goal here for the bilker is pure mass, pure mass.


What would you rater say, mg for mg, what's better for mass as far as EQ and deca are concerned. I love EQ, but I have to take so damn much of it.

and SD, yes EQ and tren together are awesome, they are by far my favorite.

My best cycle so far has been a Test Enanthate, Tren Enanthate and EQ cycle, polished off with a little winny.

i would say test deca and dbol just for a second simple bulker say 700 or 750 test 400 deca and 40 dbol first four very simple and would put on some serious size if he ate his balls off like you say he will. Thats what i will be running late winter i cant wait gonna be great for a mass cycle.

Gbart said:

i would say test deca and dbol just for a second simple bulker say 700 or 750 test 400 deca and 40 dbol first four very simple and would put on some serious size if he ate his balls off like you say he will. Thats what i will be running late winter i cant wait gonna be great for a mass cycle.

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I don't like deca until we know more about him. You know yourself more so deca may be appropriate for you but not for him.

jaywooly said:

and SD, yes EQ and tren together are awesome, they are by far my favorite.

My best cycle so far has been a Test Enanthate, Tren Enanthate and EQ cycle, polished off with a little winny.

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I can't wait until I have enough time under my belt to start that one.

i agree with you mmx and the same can be said for eq, does he have any blood pressure concerns etc, eq,tren,drol all increase rbc count and can wreek havoc on a dude with high bloodpressure...here are some standard bulkers that i have used that worked great for me and me and him are around simliar stats
deca 500mg wks 1-10
eth or cyp 750mg wks 1-10
dbol jumpstart 40-50mg wks 1-4 or 5
susp or prop started week 9 or 10- weeks 13 start pct a few days after last shot

eq 400-600mgs wks 1-12 (i have gone to 16 weeks with eq as its a slow builder)
eth 750mgs wks 1-12
turnibol 60mg ED wks 1-6 or dbol 40-50mgs wks 1-5
and prop or susp wks 12-14.5 pct shortly after last shot

two are relatively simple and are fairly cost effective and have yeilded many i know great gains.

EQ will help with RBC's and endurance but because of the running involved he'll need to watch his doses because of the pumps he'll get in his calves and even lower back

I've had excellent success with test + tren for bulking. The added benefit of running tren is it will keep your bodyfat in check. Basically you can eat what you want and for the most part it wont be fat gains.

Kick start with some d-bol and maybe some eq @ 600

I like it fellas, I really like it.

I'll def. suggest him to move up to 750 on the test, he's suggested that himself.

I think we'll see him on:

40-50 d-bol ed
750 testE ew
600 EQ ew

I may also suggest him running a very low dose of tren (as BS suggested) to keep the bf down a bit.

Thanks Everyone!

looks damn solid to me jay let us know results and what not hell get his ass on the board and tell him to keep a log if he has a comp.

Does he get tested for playing ball? If so, I'd stay away from the EQ. That will be with him for a long time.

does the Eq in a cycle hurt your ability to run to keep bf down, as in pumps to the calves and back?

never has me bro im on eq right now and my pumps are great but not so bad as to not be able to run of course i dont run often mostly cross trainers and shit but im good there. and eq helps you stay lean anyways.

runnin it with dbol. i know to expect the pumps from the dbol. isnt eq also known to make ur veins more noticable?

yes sir make you veiny as hell i love running it this is my first time and im really liking it diet hasnt been very perfect lately and its keeping me from puttin on much fat at all. cardio and all that good shit starts tomorrow .

sorry kinda highjacked jays thread keep us posted on how it goes jayman.