Cutting cycle or Mass cycle first time

I read a post that you will never gain like on your first cycle.So I could really use everyones opinion on this especially if you've done your first couple of cycles.What would you go back and change?I thought since I had a "little" extra bodyfat around the waist I would harden up and trim down with a cutting cycle.But now I'm thinking the hell with that,I should be flat out going for it if this is going to be my best gaining cycle then I should plan around that and cut later! My first cycle planned looks like this
weeks 1-8 Brovel T200 3ml/wk
weeks 1-8 Ttokkyo EQ 300mg/wk
weeks 5-10 Winny 50mg/ed
weeks 1-6 ECA stack
weeks 7-8 clen
weeks 9-10 ECA stack
weeks 11-12 clen
liquidex all the way through and clomid 2nd day after last winny dose for three weeks
Does this cycle lokk like something to get gains from as a first cycle?
So far this seemed to be the best cutting stack I could come up with for me.Now I,m thinking more like this:
1-10 test 3ml/wk
1-10 deca 400mg/wk
1-4 d-bol 50mg/ed
5-10 fina 75mg/eod
9-12 winny 50mg/ed
liquidex through and clomid 3 days after last winny dose.I through the winny in at last so I could come straight off that to the clomid and maximize what I keep unless there's a better way.Maybe I should throw some hcg in post cycle to.
I threw this together from what I could pull from memory by researching this site here recently.Please critique it,dice it,slice it,flame me if need be.Does this sound like a good first mass cycle?If I'm going to do this I want to do it right and to hell with what everyone around me thinks or thinks they know.I want to get huge(or semi-huge compared to some bros here I'm sure).I want to milk this 1st timer thing all I can.Please advise!Stats are needed so here they are:32 years old,6'2",235lbs.,about 18% bf,been working out since high school.

1-10 test 3ml/wk
1-10 deca 400mg/wk
1-4 d-bol 50mg/ed
5-10 fina 75mg/eod
9-12 winny 50mg/ed


i like that one the best out of the two..and why.. best of both world.. this is the closet you can get of starting with a per bulk cycle and harding yourself put and the end to fight off any fat that you might have put on during the cycle...but i;d move the deca right up to the test... 500mg of deca and 600mg of test.. and run the tren from week 5-12.. then the cycle is complete when you start your clomid.. but that just my 2 cents bro.. good luck with whatever you deside..

Thanks GEAR101

Would it be ok to run fina everyday on that cycle.I was wondering if eod would keep hormone levels steady.Also is the d-bol and then the winny in the same cycle going to be too hard on the liver.Are they similar in they're makeup.

rooster,I admire your enthusiasm and the research you've put into this. I think your cycle (#2,that Gear reviewed) is a good one but.....I'd simplify it. I think there are to many different AAS in your stack for a 1st cycle. One of the fine points you'll pick up on with each cycle is the varied effects of one AAS vs another on your own body. A small amount of trial and error will allow each cycle to become better than the last as you learn what drugs work the best for you. If you did cycle #2 as a "virgin" cycle you'll have a difficult time sorting out what drug gave you the best gains,pumps or what gave you bad sides....If you stack 5 different AAS for cycle your first cycle you'll miss that part of the learning curve. I'd stick with a 2 or 3 drug stack max. and I'd definetly bulk the 1st time,it's easier IMO and more fun.

My vote for a 1st cycle would be Deca or EQ @ 400/wk with Test @500/wk. If you want to see how you respond to D-bol,add it for the 1st 4 weeks @ 35-50mg/d. That will give you an easy 20-30lbs with the right diet,training and amount of rest.

I agree with Decadent on this. For you first cycle I would start out with something simple. Do give you an idea I did a test only cycle for 8 weeks and gained 20 pounds my first time. EATEATEATEAT

Just my .02

I would agree with the Test and Deca cycle. And I would leave the Fina out for now. I have also heard alot about waiting to cut immediately after a cycle. Might want to wait a couple of months to hit the ECA and Clen.