Testosterone Question- Cypionate, Enanthate, Propionate. HELP

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BreacherUp

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I have been on TRT for a couple years and have gotten good results. For me keeping the E levels dialed is the biggest challenge as I seem to fluctuate through the sweet spot frequently using adex. That being said I recently thought my E was high and when I had it tested I was < 3. So way low, which way low and way high can give similar effects. I tell my doc I'm thinking of changing my adex protocol, he agrees. Ok good.

Now the other thing I noticed is 200mg of Cyp/week used to put my T levels over 1500. Now I am just over 1000, which is over a 30% drop on the same dosage. I was offered the option of just sticking with the 200mg Test Cyp i currently take or....

Test enanthate 200mg - faster ester (was told most guys seem to like this as the water retention is much less)

OR

Bi-test 250mg is 200mg cyp and 50mg prop.

He was also trying to advise injectable Glutathione which I am not a huge believer in, sounds good on paper but I didn't notice anything from supplementing it and NAC in the past.


QUESTION...

Stick with the straight Test Cyp and up the Dosage to 250mg?

Test Enth 200mg - 250mg?

Bi-Test 250mg (200mg Cyp / 50mg prop)?
 
BreacherUp said:
I have been on TRT for a couple years and have gotten good results. For me keeping the E levels dialed is the biggest challenge as I seem to fluctuate through the sweet spot frequently using adex. That being said I recently thought my E was high and when I had it tested I was < 3. So way low, which way low and way high can give similar effects. I tell my doc I'm thinking of changing my adex protocol, he agrees. Ok good.

Now the other thing I noticed is 200mg of Cyp/week used to put my T levels over 1500. Now I am just over 1000, which is over a 30% drop on the same dosage. I was offered the option of just sticking with the 200mg Test Cyp i currently take or....

Test enanthate 200mg - faster ester (was told most guys seem to like this as the water retention is much less)

OR

Bi-test 250mg is 200mg cyp and 50mg prop.

He was also trying to advise injectable Glutathione which I am not a huge believer in, sounds good on paper but I didn't notice anything from supplementing it and NAC in the past.


QUESTION...

Stick with the straight Test Cyp and up the Dosage to 250mg?

Test Enth 200mg - 250mg?

Bi-Test 250mg (200mg Cyp / 50mg prop)?
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the bi-test sounds pretty good brutha! I personally change over to the enanthate as i believe it binds to a different receptor so you might get a lot more out of it, rather then staying on the cypionate
 
So you think the enanthate over the bi-test?

It gets confusing when you read about the difference in esters and then people also say it doesn't matter because Test is Test.
 
BreacherUp said:
So you think the enanthate over the bi-test?

It gets confusing when you read about the difference in esters and then people also say it doesn't matter because Test is Test.
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well it matters for sure if your recpetors are already saturated from one and the same dose is not giving you the same levels like you said came back on ur test, so yeah its a big deal and difference switching over from one to the other.

As for the bi-test, Propionate is my favorite, and if i was starting out and had to choose one of the 3 products you listed, i would choose the bi-test, however since ur already on cypionate for a while, i would switch to enanthate, this is all assuming your taking shots once a week? cuase the propionate in the bi-test isnt going to do much different at just 50mg once a week, but if i was taking it say 3 times per week or 4 times then i would go with the bi-test but again only if i was starting out with fresh receptors, but thats not the case with you, so i think it would be best to switch to enanthate
 
200mg of test a week should not have your test levels at 1500. Not even 1000 at that small a dose.
 
CH3NO2 said:
200mg of test a week should not have your test levels at 1500. Not even 1000 at that small a dose.
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he might mean his test levels in nanograms per decaliter, thats how its measired and normal males are like 400-1,200 so i think thats what he means bro, i know thats how my levels have always been read
 
Good points Presser, thanks for the info.

And yes My T is currently at 1048 ng/dl. A year ago I was greater than 1500ng/dl with the same 200mg Cyp/week.

Started out on TRT after cutting and was 6'2 201lbs 6% bf and within a few months was at 240lbs 10%bf. Right now I'm 245lbs at 12% and cutting it back up.

So yes, I believe great gains can be made on 200mg/wk.
 
BreacherUp said:
Good points Presser, thanks for the info.

And yes My T is currently at 1048 ng/dl. A year ago I was greater than 1500ng/dl with the same 200mg Cyp/week.

Started out on TRT after cutting and was 6'2 201lbs 6% bf and within a few months was at 240lbs 10%bf. Right now I'm 245lbs at 12% and cutting it back up.

So yes, I believe great gains can be made on 200mg/wk.
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no problem, and thats a nice jump in size brutha,.
 
Presser I was unaware that different esters targeted different receptors. Any idea where I could read more about this. Thanks again and I think I will give he Enanthate a run for a while and see how that goes. Does Enanthate get into your system faster than Cyp? Just trying to figure out if I should change up the day I dose based on my workout days.
 
BreacherUp said:
Presser I was unaware that different esters targeted different receptors. Any idea where I could read more about this. Thanks again and I think I will give he Enanthate a run for a while and see how that goes. Does Enanthate get into your system faster than Cyp? Just trying to figure out if I should change up the day I dose based on my workout days.
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Cypionate and enanthate are about the same bro, so once a week is fine and im sure we have some good threads on receptors if u run a search, but i cant point one out directly off the top of my head, but i would check the articles forum and run an overall search on the whole site for receptors
 
Well, I don't want to get stuff thrown at me... But 1st don't put 100% reliance on your test, it can move all over depending on time of day, last dose, so on so on. As far as Esters goes testosterone is testosterone no matter the ester it's bound too. The ester is simply there to control the time of delivery. The longer the chain the longer it takes the body to break it down, hence the Depot. And Pressors right both Enanthate and Cypionate are about the same in ester length, E being the shorter of the two of course. Either way, I think you'll be good whatever you choose.
 
on a side note, everybody reacts diff. my body responds better to test E vs test C for some reason

really get the best results off sust though
 
200mg of test should have you in the 600-700 ng/dl range. Either your test is over dosed or you're administering more than 200mg per week to get to the 1500 ng/dl level.

I'm on HRT and 400mg a week had me at 1600 and 200 has be just under 700 which is high range of normal. Now another angle is if you have a normal test level say in the 600-700 range and have never taken test I would expect a 1500 ng/dl level at 200mg a week since your bodies own testosterone production has yet to shut down. This is why first time cycles are so successful. Its like double dipping.
 
CH3NO2 said:
200mg of test should have you in the 600-700 ng/dl range. Either your test is over dosed or you're administering more than 200mg per week to get to the 1500 ng/dl level.

I'm on HRT and 400mg a week had me at 1600 and 200 has be just under 700 which is high range of normal. Now another angle is if you have a normal test level say in the 600-700 range and have never taken test I would expect a 1500 ng/dl level at 200mg a week since your bodies own testosterone production has yet to shut down. This is why first time cycles are so successful. Its like double dipping.
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Or perhaps your Test is underdosed or you don't respond as well. Mine is pharma grade from a pharmacy and its not rocket science to administer the right dose, so I'm quite positive I'm getting 200mg. I always get my labs on the same day and always administer on the same day to keep my baseline as consistent as possible. How is 400mg an HRT dose? Your 700 his closer to the middle. When was the last time you did your labs? The range has increased and now goes up to around 1100. 200mg is now yielding me just over 1000.
 
Labs are done every 6 months and Its all pharmacy grade yadda yadda yadda. 400mg is an HRT dose. The Dude on this board has been prescribed a gram a week.

The "Range" depends on who you talk to. Everything I've read says normal range is 300-800 ng/dl.

Edit... I should add 300 is on the VERY low side of normal. I read a study and I'm trying to find it that shows the average test level of 30 year old males is just above the 600 mark. So if a Dr is doing is job and wants to get you back to AVERAGE 700 would be a very good mark. If you were in the sub 250 range in test levels and your Dr got you up to 700 you'd feel like a new man for sure.

I'm am not in any shape or form arguing, I am just stating what I have been told and 200mg a week should not yield a test level about 1500. I should also ask why did you have over a 500 point drop off on the same dose? Look like your "pharmacy grade" stuff is not the same with every batch.
 
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I have altered my use of hcg and adex perhaps somehow that is causing the change and maybe my body has gotten used to it to some degree. 200mg has had me just over 1000 for months. So doesnt seem like a consistency issue.

400mg ...1 gram? That is awesome but I highly doubt you could sustain those levels for years with no adverse sides. So no, I would say that's not really a true TRT dose. I'm shocked it takes 400mg to get you to the higher end of the old range.
 
Re read my post. 400mg has me over 1600 ng/dl. 1600 is more that double the "old" high range of test.

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The use of HCG while on Test will have you at a higher average than a person who does not take HCG like me. This is why you're at 1000 and I am at 700 on the same dose.

This explains it.
 
You still had been taking the HCG and had more natural test production than me. If you had been on HCG for any amount of time and then withdrew the HCG your body will have a higher natural production than mine for at least a few months as your natural production then gets shut down.

I would suspect if you were to ONLY maintain 200mg per week like I have for the past 4 years your levels will then level off lower than the 1000 level now. What we are talking about is NOT an exact science, there is a lot of speculation on my part. I am just going on what you are posting. Your original post did not have all the pieces to the puzzle. I knew when you said 200mg a week had you at 1500 there was more to it and I was right. You were also on HCG.

Saw your update... I am prescribes Cyp.
 
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