Combating Tren and Lethargy

Strangely, I had never read anything linking Tren & lethargy but I googled it and find it's quite common. I'm surprised as previous cycles that included Tren usually made me super driven. It was FUN. Has that ever happened to you guys?

It's only the second time I have used low Test (150-200mg per week) + 500mg Tren per week. Besides insomnia, and drastic appetite reduction (which I actually like as I always diet on Tren), I got none of those nasty night sweats this time. My cardio is always pretty damn good as I train MMA style, and my muscle endurance is greater on Tren so to me it helps, not hinders it at all.

What's much different this time around is I feel lethargic. I always have light sleep when on Tren, but it didn't bother me before as I needed one less hour of sleep overall, and felt driven. Now I need slightly more sleep, and feel tired and unmotivated, so the light sleep thing does suck. Past cycles were Tren + Test + Masteron, with Tren around 200mg per week. Seems I'll be getting back to that. I had never read about Tren causing lethargy so I didn't expect it to a part of the problem I'm having.

So while most notorious Tren sides are indeed gone on low Test + Mid/High Tren as opposed to High Test / Low Tren, I find the lethargy unbearable, and quite unproductive for my work too! Oh and my sex drive, while greater than off cycle, is a far cry this time than my usual lusting maniac self while on cycle ' it can be quite ridiculously high so in a way it's not that bad it turned out this way LOL, just that I wanted to let you guys know. Your input is appreciated of course.


Possible solutions:
1. Bump up the testosterone dosage in your cycle or use a small dose of Test Suspension before your workouts.
2. Try smaller doses of tren ed
3. The drug Modafinil may help with wakefullness disorders such as narcolepsy or excessive daytime sleepiness.
4. Pramipexole or Cabergoline (not over the counter) will help to combat the sides from the tren.
5. A mild fat burner before you workout may have enough kick to push you through your workout.

yeah I've been quite lethargic from tren ace before, but I've never used high tren and low testosterone, and probably never will, lol

and i was confused by your wording i guess, but your sex drive is higher or lower when you use high tren and low dose testosterone??

and for he record tren ace kills my sex drive unless my testosterone is way above the tren ace dose!

I've never had issues like lethargy, just sweats and bp elevated. I know a lot of guys that run tren higher and get great results and I agree it's for that reason but I wouldn't run it that high.

Since I'm on ambien, tren doesn't bother me as far as sleeping goes. Before that, I would use 5-htp to help myself sleep, and it seemed to work pretty well. Strange that you would say it reduced your appetite. I usually get an increase in appetite no matter what I'm using if I'm in an anabolic state. If I overtrain, appetite decreases.

I'm lethargic no matter what I do or don't take... I hate it. All has to do with really bad allergies and not getting oxygenated enough while I sleep

Bro i have lethargy on tren too..just add 3 on /2 off t3 at 12.5/25/12.5mcg or 3 week x25 mcg and you will be fine...always works for me
Just keep protein high when you are in t3..tren after a while its too strong and messes with thyroid function too...

Metal85 said:

I'm lethargic no matter what I do or don't take... I hate it. All has to do with really bad allergies and not getting oxygenated enough while I sleep

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do you have to wear one of those masks during allergy season like sleep apnea type of thing?

The Tren E kicked my ass towards the end of my cycle. I had all of the typical sides but boy it was worth it. Tren makes me feel like im 25 again, and what old bastard would not enjoy that?

Erabus said:

The Tren E kicked my ass towards the end of my cycle. I had all of the typical sides but boy it was worth it. Tren makes me feel like im 25 again, and what old bastard would not enjoy that?

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Sex drive waise are ya talking bro? Just asking cause tren ace kills my drive, not sure why other then the prolactin maybe, but yeah it fucks with me if my dose is too high, and i haven't done tren enanthate, kind of afraid to lol

I kick started with Tren Ace to see how I was going to react. All went good so I went to Tren E 400mg a week. For the sex drive I have some "Old Man Drugs" that assist with that if needed. Since I got off Tren E in Dec. I will have to wait a year till I can go back on it or Deca. But after that I will hit it again.

I do not have that problem with 600 mg Test Iso and 400mg Tren E @ week.

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Erabus said:

I kick started with Tren Ace to see how I was going to react. All went good so I went to Tren E 400mg a week. For the sex drive I have some "Old Man Drugs" that assist with that if needed. Since I got off Tren E in Dec. I will have to wait a year till I can go back on it or Deca. But after that I will hit it again.

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For what reason do you have to wait a year, before you can go back on Tren E?

Maybe he likes taking a long time to clean out, nothing wrong with that, especially in this day and age of use abuse

Presser nailed it, im doing a little house cleaning. Plus I have read where it is not good to do more than one 19-nor more than once a year. I wish I could remember where I read it so I could refer you to it. Because of my age (54) I like to blast for a long time usually 24 weeks if I can..

Presser said:

do you have to wear one of those masks during allergy season like sleep apnea type of thing?

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they wanted me to try a "C-pap" (what you are speaking about) But I really don't want to, the reason is as we ALL should know by now, the body is ultra lazy. You start introducing forced O2 into your body, and yeah it will be great for recovery, sleep, etc, but what happens when you introduce anything else?

You take testosterone----your body stops producing it
you take insulin, your body produces less
you take gh, your body produces less etc

So knowing that, I am afraid my body would stop trying as hard as it should to get o2, have it be through perfusion or whatever.

Presser my allergies are un fuckin real right now...
I really don't know what to do.
I take a singulair daily, taking sudiphed right now, some advil allergy shit, doing a sinus rinse daily, plus a vicks nasal spray and it's still bad.
5 hours after I washed my car it was yellow (pollen)

Metal85 said:

they wanted me to try a "C-pap" (what you are speaking about) But I really don't want to, the reason is as we ALL should know by now, the body is ultra lazy. You start introducing forced O2 into your body, and yeah it will be great for recovery, sleep, etc, but what happens when you introduce anything else?

You take testosterone----your body stops producing it
you take insulin, your body produces less
you take gh, your body produces less etc

So knowing that, I am afraid my body would stop trying as hard as it should to get o2, have it be through perfusion or whatever.

Presser my allergies are un fuckin real right now...
I really don't know what to do.
I take a singulair daily, taking sudiphed right now, some advil allergy shit, doing a sinus rinse daily, plus a vicks nasal spray and it's still bad.
5 hours after I washed my car it was yellow (pollen)

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Thank The GOOD ALMIGHTY LORD i out grew my allergies, they were the worse thing in the entire world, i couldn't breath and had to get allergy shots as a kid, and i got badly addicted to Afrin Nasal spray , long after allergy season was over, i was still stuffed up bad cause my body got so use to having AFRIN nasal spray that it needed it even when allergy season was over, YOU have no idea how bad it was, i would have to lay down where ever i was to try draining my nasal passages cause i could not breath, i use to get in trouble in school cause i would lay my head down away from the teacher to drain my nose and i use to get yelled at for not paying attention, man i don't envy you right now bro, i know how bad allergies can be!

And yes your body does get use to most everything you introduce , but I'm not sure how it would effect ya if you took in o2 from CPap, but it wouldn't surprise me bro

anyhow sorry for ur troubles daddio, i know that sucks balls!

Erabus said:

Presser nailed it, im doing a little house cleaning. Plus I have read where it is not good to do more than one 19-nor more than once a year. I wish I could remember where I read it so I could refer you to it. Because of my age (54) I like to blast for a long time usually 24 weeks if I can..

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Erabus, I am 48 I blast for 16-18 weeks with Test Iso 600 mg/week, Tren E 400mg/week, Deca 250mg/week and week 1-4 D/bol 30mg/day. Then I cruise with Test E 500mg/week for 25 weeks and then go back to my blast schedule, never had a problem. been doing it for a while.

Well... you dont have to worry about knocking up some pig that's for sure.:wave:

Cruising. A very good yet Dark depiction of the Gay bar scene in the early 70's with a crazed murderer running loose(obviously targeting homosexuals)
Almost as dark and arguably Al Pacinos greatest acting work(besides the Godfater series of course) is the drug induced fairy tale that takes place in Needle Park in New York City titled Panick In Needle Park.

Presser said:

Thank The GOOD ALMIGHTY LORD i out grew my allergies, they were the worse thing in the entire world, i couldn't breath and had to get allergy shots as a kid, and i got badly addicted to Afrin Nasal spray , long after allergy season was over, i was still stuffed up bad cause my body got so use to having AFRIN nasal spray that it needed it even when allergy season was over, YOU have no idea how bad it was, i would have to lay down where ever i was to try draining my nasal passages cause i could not breath, i use to get in trouble in school cause i would lay my head down away from the teacher to drain my nose and i use to get yelled at for not paying attention, man i don't envy you right now bro, i know how bad allergies can be!

And yes your body does get use to most everything you introduce , but I'm not sure how it would effect ya if you took in o2 from CPap, but it wouldn't surprise me bro

anyhow sorry for ur troubles daddio, i know that sucks balls!

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Yeah man, I almost wonder if it's worth getting a sinuplasty or sinusectomy.... Anyone here have that done?
Imagine you used a c-pap for a year, than a hurricane came through, or blizzard or whatever, and you lost power for two weeks. I bet anything you would be screwed, but who knows, that's just my theory on it

I had a deviated septum on my left side and had surgery about 5 years ago it helped a lot but now I think i am going to need it on my right side. It really screws with your breathing and sleeping prolly why u never feel rested no rem sleep

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I had a deviated septum on my left side and had surgery about 5 years ago it helped a lot but now I think i am going to need it on my right side. It really screws with your breathing and sleeping prolly why u never feel rested no rem sleep

It is bro, people don't realize that "just allergies" really means
-lack of oxygen
-nausea from mucous dumping in your stomach
-lethary
-feeling run down
-headaches
-having the shits
-sinus pressure
-eye pressure
-bloody noses
-sore throat
So to people who don't sympathize, it must be nice not having to deal with all this.

Presser------I am getting the allergies worse every year... As a kid I was fine, now it's noticeably worse each year
I take singulair every fucking day, ad still need to take psudafed every day right now, plus sinus rinses, ad blow my nose 30 times a day, ad hock loogies etc