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    What's up guys I been using this site since I was in college in 08 but lost my old account bc I lost my college email.. I'm 27. 5'8 and weighed in 162.6 this morning... I had cut down from 172 to 157 from November 15-jan 15 and been building since jan 15th till now....but on 5.6 pounds not bad, most of which is muscle.. I'm eating a clean 2700 calories a day. 203 protein, 333g carbs (100g carbs of dextrose/maltodextrin post workout ) and 63 grams fats on workout days and recovery days 220g protein, 256 complex carbs, and 68g fats.... Now when bulking you put on fat.. I got Memorial Day weekend in 6.5 weeks.. So this week I started igf-1 (muscle chemistry's) of course 30/30 post workout (i workout 4 days a week (shoulders/biceps, quads/hams/calves, recovery day, then Chest/triceps, shoulders/traps, then 2 recovery days) ... My nutrionist/trainer is very big into all natural.. But I want to continue on the bulking diet and some how shred this fat.... What else can I take? I didn't tell him about the igf-1.. ..I haven't given it much of a chance yet but I wanna stack some other things (non natural stuff) but I don't wanna mess with my test levels so cycling is out of the picture.. I also take vit d and c , zinc, tribulius, and DAA to boost test levels in the morning.. Vitamin b with citrullone Malate and Beta alinine pre workout and beta alanine, l-leucine, alpha lipoic acid with 5g creatine post workout. I take the dextrose/maltodextrin right with that stuff and the off right before.. What can I do to gain mass and cut fat?
     

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    Drink about 1.5 gallons of water a day.. I take like 15mg of adderall I day I think that might hold back muscle gains idk.. But I wanna take whagever I can to get as big and cut as possible.. My diet is almost perfect.. What u guys think about riptropin?
     

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    I also take multivitamin, flax seed oil, l carnitine, cla and fish oi and Zma before bed
     

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    So you want to bulk and cut at the same time.

    First thing is shift your training to heavier weight because that will improve metabolic needs.

    Diet wise: Don't count calories and cut out all the carbs that are not within an hour before or after training. Even when I'm "bulking" which I do almost year round I do this. There's no reason for that many carbs IMO. Calories = growth. Keeping that in mind, take in as much fat and protein as you can right up until you train, then pound the carbs pre, during, and post training.
    Example template:
    Breakfast: 2 scoops protein, peanut butter, cottage cheese, ice, water all blended in a blender.
    Meal 2: 7 eggs scrambled with cheese, turkey bacon
    Meal 3 (pre training): protein, oats, turkey sandwich
    During workout: gatorade
    Post workout: Protein
    Whole meal Post Workout: whatever carb + 8oz of meat
    Pre bed: as much fat and protein to satisfy you

    Supplements: cut out the powder carbs IMO, also add in an ecay stack and do starved cardio 3+ days a week.
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    there is an all natural trainer at my gym. He is 6' and a buck 20 and sprints across the gym sometimes. he knows everything just ask him. He can wrap you in bands so you can hardly move and then attach a sled to you and make you shimmy across the gym carpet. I just eat my chicken rice and veggies with a cookie here and there, go deadlift, squat, press from the rack and bench.. bascically try to cause myself to nearly die, and sleep when I can. I have 100 lbs of lean muscle on him and can use him to do bent arm presses if I scare him stiff.
     

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    I don't know where to get ecay I want to take that.. And yes I'm going to "empty stomach" cardio in the morning. I burn 100 calories post workout the 4 days I workout I forgot to mention.. So Ill do fasted cardio as much as I can
     

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    I don't agree with taking out carbs that's aren't around my workout..A majority is morning, pre workout and a fast burning cArb immediately post workout
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cream123 View Post
    I don't know where to get ecay I want to take that.. And yes I'm going to "empty stomach" cardio in the morning. I burn 100 calories post workout the 4 days I workout I forgot to mention.. So Ill do fasted cardio as much as I can
    Like rays said you can get everything local
     

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    I take in 10 grams of fat from 2 whole eggs and 10 grams of fart from 93% lean turkey everyday. To boost my test. My trainer is official he got a bunch of pros.. With a bulking diet and ecay is it possible to still Gain muscle but burn off fAt?
     

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    And how do you approach the pharmacy for ephedrine? What do u ask for

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    And I know there's a specific type idk what that is tho
     

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    After doing research it looks as if it would be much more effective during a calorie defecit diet .. I only got like 5 pounds of fat down there. I'll just switch to a cutting diet for a few weeks.. How long can ecay be effectively run?

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    If you were me and just started taking igf... And was plannig on going 50 days post workout on workit days only. Gunna bump up to 40/40 soon. Should I do all 7 weeks bulking then cut like. 3 weeks with ecay or use igf with bulking diet 4 weeks then 3 weekends of cutting with igf + ecay?
     

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    I don't think that turkey is actually 93% lean. Post up the nutritional information i.e. total calories and fat grams per serving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cream123 View Post
    I take in 10 grams of fat from 2 whole eggs and 10 grams of fart from 93% lean turkey everyday. To boost my test. My trainer is official he got a bunch of pros.. With a bulking diet and ecay is it possible to still Gain muscle but burn off fAt?
    lol

    ask the pharmacist for primatine tablets and be ready to show ID. just dont do it more than twice a month. google or search this site for ECA or ECY stack that will help you out on dosing and length of cycle. i wont use it more than a month and sometimes just preworkout or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

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    Yeah rays I'm taking mc igf-1.. I've taking it like 10x before it's awesome . Starting with 30/30 for 1st week then. 40/40.. If I take it Preworkout.. U do u mean win Preworkout meal which is like 1.5 hours before I lift or with Preworkout drink which is like half hour before
     

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    I've been taking it post workout because I load up on like 100 grams fast burning carbs seconds after....
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    If you are trying to get leaner and bigger, carb manipulation is the key. All the classical bodybuilders did it and most modern powerlifters do it. And pretty much every primitive society had no problem eating all meat diets and being 10x as jacked as the modern man. You should give it a try. If things aren't working, you have to change something to get results right?
     

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    What I'm doing is working, I'm wanted to know if there was any other peptides I could use .. Or like an ecay stack. Seems like ecay stack.. Mc igf-1 alone will prob do what I wante. Ill just up my dosae.. I wanna do 50/50 but I'm afraid iof intestinal growth

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    Quote Originally Posted by cream123 View Post
    What I'm doing is working, I'm wanted to know if there was any other peptides I could use .. Or like an ecay stack. Seems like ecay stack.. Mc igf-1 alone will prob do what I wante. Ill just up my dosae.. I wanna do 50/50 but I'm afraid iof intestinal growth

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    And if I do mc igf-1 pre workout .. Is it wit my pre workout meal or Preworkout shake
    If you aren't sub 10% year round, what you're doing isn't working. I'm just saying that long term, diet is sustainable while ECAY stack, peptides, gear ect is not.
     

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    I'm not quite understanding that. I'm not less than 10% body fat but I would like to be... I may do the ecay. Finish up the next 6 weeks bulking with igf-1 while my carb intake is high, then immediately after go to a calorie defecit and do the ecay and just try n knock every ounce of fat off In 3 weeks.. I'll prob be like 14% body fat when I'm down with igf unless it burns more fat than I remember time will tell... But please do explain ur comment cuZ I def wouldn't mind being sub 10% body fat year round... I won't do roids though.. Igf-1 ecay things like that, that don't mess wit ur test levels
     

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    Check into the SARM GW
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fstr03svtcobra View Post
    So you want to bulk and cut at the same time.

    First thing is shift your training to heavier weight because that will improve metabolic needs.

    Diet wise: Don't count calories and cut out all the carbs that are not within an hour before or after training. Even when I'm "bulking" which I do almost year round I do this. There's no reason for that many carbs IMO. Calories = growth. Keeping that in mind, take in as much fat and protein as you can right up until you train, then pound the carbs pre, during, and post training.
    Example template:
    Breakfast: 2 scoops protein, peanut butter, cottage cheese, ice, water all blended in a blender.
    Meal 2: 7 eggs scrambled with cheese, turkey bacon
    Meal 3 (pre training): protein, oats, turkey sandwich
    During workout: gatorade
    Post workout: Protein
    Whole meal Post Workout: whatever carb + 8oz of meat
    Pre bed: as much fat and protein to satisfy you

    Supplements: cut out the powder carbs IMO, also add in an ecay stack and do starved cardio 3+ days a week.
    Great advise here bro! Once you learn how to eat most meals without carbs good things happen.


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    Ok I'll try that, my plan will be this. Keep with the high protein and carbs for now while on MC igf-1..if it's over kill no big deal I can easily get back on diet with calorie defecit and no cheat meals and lose all the extra fat pounds, I'll try my first ecay stack once I'm done bulking wth the igf, and the ecay should help me quickly get shredded again... I'll try the carb around workout and maybe some with breakfast only...I prob shouldn't take adderall if taking ecay though right?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by raysd21 View Post
    The only substances I know of that would allow you to shred fat on a bulking diet is a stack of trenbolone and winstrol. And I think you are eating too much for your weight. Did your trainer advise you on this diet? 220g protein/day seems like a lot for someone 160lbs not on gear. I would start by cutting your calorie intake by about....12%-15% across the board if you keep eating carbs like that. As far as shredding fat on a bulking diet... not on gear... good luck. T3, clen, ephedrine. Cybersupplements has some good stuff but he is down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cream123 View Post
    I'm not quite understanding that. I'm not less than 10% body fat but I would like to be... I may do the ecay. Finish up the next 6 weeks bulking with igf-1 while my carb intake is high, then immediately after go to a calorie defecit and do the ecay and just try n knock every ounce of fat off In 3 weeks.. I'll prob be like 14% body fat when I'm down with igf unless it burns more fat than I remember time will tell... But please do explain ur comment cuZ I def wouldn't mind being sub 10% body fat year round... I won't do roids though.. Igf-1 ecay things like that, that don't mess wit ur test levels
    I'm not on 'roids' either man. Basically the only way I know how to keep sub 10% bf and keep gaining is with the high calorie, nutrient timing diet I outlined for you.
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    I can do that.. Let's talk about ecay.. How do I feel on that? I've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on it
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cream123 View Post
    I can do that.. Let's talk about ecay.. How do I feel on that? I've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on it
    You'll feel fine. How about you do some research and tell me what dosages you are going to do on the ecay.
     

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    Stop worrying about adding things. Your problem is your diet. If your trainer hasn't outlined that for you then you are pissing your money away. Sorry Bro just shooting you straight.
    I know how it is to be overly enthusiastic and have your mind racing for a secret. Follow this and if you are consistent and not a lean 185 - 190 in 24 months than submit yourself for testing as your physiology isn't consistent with the rest of the human race.
    8 oz lean ground beef and some carbs and fats (couple cups of rice, pasta, bagel, sandwich, etc) 4 times a day. I don't know how much olive oil I go through in a week, but I probably go through a gallon a month
    Have a post workout shake.
    20 minutes of cardio 4 times a week before eating or after training.
    After 4 weeks check your weight and B/F caliper measurements. If after 2 months you gain more than say 10mm total in the calipers, cut out 75g of carbs. No "bulking or cutting". Sleep 8+ hours and stay away from alcohol. Train each body part once a week.
    That's about it man. So simple that it just might work....
    The diet is hard... that's why most struggle. It's a tremendous commitment, but everything else is just stimulus. Food builds tissue and controls your metabolism. As you get bigger you will need more food. Stay away from dairy to keep bodyfat lower


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    ^That's a lot of beef!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DefMetalLifter View Post
    ^That's a lot of beef!
    It is Bro and it's tough, but it's a simple easy to prepare diet and I followed it for years.... so I'm not advocating anything I haven't done myself with tremendous success
    I still eat 5 - 6+ lbs of lean ground beef a week. Add in all the tilapia and chicken and I eat a smidge over 2lbs of meat a day. That's not including the turkey sausage, turkey bacon, eggs....


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    I should clarify though that I go by the weight on the package, not cooked weight. So it may be less when cooked


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    I just wanted faster results, I'm done spending money on supplements. And I only been dieting for 5 months.. I just wanted faster results... Not gonna do ecay, but mc igf is great lol
     

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    I can do that.. Let's talk about ecay.. How do I feel on that? I've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on it
    Most compounds that work well are not going to be a walk in the park with your sippy cup and flinstone gummies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raysd21 View Post
    And by the way using igf specifically for fat loss is borderline misusing igf. You have to eat a proper amount of carbohydrates for it to be effective.

    What do we want? Bigger muscles. More muscle cells that we will later grow with exercise and gear. A pump? Fatloss? You can get a pump with a good "pump" product. Fatloss? Clen/Alb and T3/T4 will give it to you again at a fraction of the price of IGF-1. More muscle cells, you can ONLY get with IGF-1 (and MGF too). Nothing else will give it to you and if you are using IGF-1 for anything else, you are misusing it. More muscle cells is CLEARLY the best use for IGF-1.

    What does all this tell us?

    It tells us that we should use IGF-1 to make more muscle cells. It's the only thing that can give it to us and more cells is more growth, which is our goal.
    And injury restoration.
     

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    This thread got really complicated for a simple thing. Do we really need to swollow or inject everything that might possibly give fat loss or some small advantage? What about the big things/ Diet, training and rest. It's sort of simple. Eat clean and you are going to have a hard time putting on fat. Keep carbs within your specific tolerance. Seeing that you are probably 16% BF or more I would say you are sensitive to carbs. limit them. Train heavy center around deadlifts, squats, bench bent rows, military presses. They will shock your body to put on mass. Eat to feed it and keep it clean means you will not get sloppy. Rest, get your 8 hrs a night and nap on week ends. All you need to grow at your stage is good nutrition, train hard and heavy, and rest. The human body was designed to adapt. give it the stimulus and nutrition and allow it time to adapt and you are moving forward. PEDs come later when you figure these general principles out. Trainers can be good or really bad. All it takes to be a trainer is a certificate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glycomann View Post
    This thread got really complicated for a simple thing. Do we really need to swollow or inject everything that might possibly give fat loss or some small advantage? What about the big things/ Diet, training and rest. It's sort of simple. Eat clean and you are going to have a hard time putting on fat. Keep carbs within your specific tolerance. Seeing that you are probably 16% BF or more I would say you are sensitive to carbs. limit them. Train heavy center around deadlifts, squats, bench bent rows, military presses. They will shock your body to put on mass. Eat to feed it and keep it clean means you will not get sloppy. Rest, get your 8 hrs a night and nap on week ends. All you need to grow at your stage is good nutrition, train hard and heavy, and rest. The human body was designed to adapt. give it the stimulus and nutrition and allow it time to adapt and you are moving forward. PEDs come later when you figure these general principles out. Trainers can be good or really bad. All it takes to be a trainer is a certificate.
    Hands down THE BEST ADVICE I've heard in a long damn time!!!!
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    It got complicated cause the op is a wackjob pantywaste who either doesn't listen or disregards the help. Then insults us for using gear and complains when his results aren't fast enough. As of now I'm officially over this thread. Wait.... not yet.... ok now.

    I just wanted faster results, I'm done spending money on supplements. And I only been dieting for 5 months.. I just wanted faster results... Not gonna do ecay
    And how do you approach the pharmacy for ephedrine?
    I wanna take whatever I can to get as big and cut as possible
    I've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on it
    But I want to continue on the bulking diet and some how shred this fat
    I haven't given it much of a chance yet but I wanna stack some other things (non natural stuff) but I don't wanna mess with my test levels so cycling is out of the picture.
    What u guys think about riptropin?
    I won't do roids though
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    Quote Originally Posted by raysd21 View Post
    It got complicated cause the op is a wackjob pantywaste who either doesn't listen or disregards the help. Then insults us for using gear and complains when his results aren't fast enough. As of now I'm officially over this thread. Wait.... not yet.... ok now.
    Wow.. schizophrenia?
     

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