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04-10-2014, 02:31 PM #1
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What's up guys I been using this site since I was in college in 08 but lost my old account bc I lost my college email.. I'm 27. 5'8 and weighed in 162.6 this morning... I had cut down from 172 to 157 from November 15-jan 15 and been building since jan 15th till now....but on 5.6 pounds not bad, most of which is muscle.. I'm eating a clean 2700 calories a day. 203 protein, 333g carbs (100g carbs of dextrose/maltodextrin post workout ) and 63 grams fats on workout days and recovery days 220g protein, 256 complex carbs, and 68g fats.... Now when bulking you put on fat.. I got Memorial Day weekend in 6.5 weeks.. So this week I started igf-1 (muscle chemistry's) of course 30/30 post workout (i workout 4 days a week (shoulders/biceps, quads/hams/calves, recovery day, then Chest/triceps, shoulders/traps, then 2 recovery days) ... My nutrionist/trainer is very big into all natural.. But I want to continue on the bulking diet and some how shred this fat.... What else can I take? I didn't tell him about the igf-1.. ..I haven't given it much of a chance yet but I wanna stack some other things (non natural stuff) but I don't wanna mess with my test levels so cycling is out of the picture.. I also take vit d and c , zinc, tribulius, and DAA to boost test levels in the morning.. Vitamin b with citrullone Malate and Beta alinine pre workout and beta alanine, l-leucine, alpha lipoic acid with 5g creatine post workout. I take the dextrose/maltodextrin right with that stuff and the off right before.. What can I do to gain mass and cut fat?
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04-10-2014, 02:51 PM #4
So you want to bulk and cut at the same time.
First thing is shift your training to heavier weight because that will improve metabolic needs.
Diet wise: Don't count calories and cut out all the carbs that are not within an hour before or after training. Even when I'm "bulking" which I do almost year round I do this. There's no reason for that many carbs IMO. Calories = growth. Keeping that in mind, take in as much fat and protein as you can right up until you train, then pound the carbs pre, during, and post training.
Example template:
Breakfast: 2 scoops protein, peanut butter, cottage cheese, ice, water all blended in a blender.
Meal 2: 7 eggs scrambled with cheese, turkey bacon
Meal 3 (pre training): protein, oats, turkey sandwich
During workout: gatorade
Post workout: Protein
Whole meal Post Workout: whatever carb + 8oz of meat
Pre bed: as much fat and protein to satisfy you
Supplements: cut out the powder carbs IMO, also add in an ecay stack and do starved cardio 3+ days a week.bigdaddyo1617 liked this post
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04-10-2014, 02:52 PM #5
there is an all natural trainer at my gym. He is 6' and a buck 20 and sprints across the gym sometimes. he knows everything just ask him. He can wrap you in bands so you can hardly move and then attach a sled to you and make you shimmy across the gym carpet. I just eat my chicken rice and veggies with a cookie here and there, go deadlift, squat, press from the rack and bench.. bascically try to cause myself to nearly die, and sleep when I can. I have 100 lbs of lean muscle on him and can use him to do bent arm presses if I scare him stiff.
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After doing research it looks as if it would be much more effective during a calorie defecit diet .. I only got like 5 pounds of fat down there. I'll just switch to a cutting diet for a few weeks.. How long can ecay be effectively run?
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If you were me and just started taking igf... And was plannig on going 50 days post workout on workit days only. Gunna bump up to 40/40 soon. Should I do all 7 weeks bulking then cut like. 3 weeks with ecay or use igf with bulking diet 4 weeks then 3 weekends of cutting with igf + ecay?
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04-10-2014, 10:41 PM #14
lol
ask the pharmacist for primatine tablets and be ready to show ID. just dont do it more than twice a month. google or search this site for ECA or ECY stack that will help you out on dosing and length of cycle. i wont use it more than a month and sometimes just preworkout or 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
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if they dont have primatine brand you can get the store brand if they dont have the store brand lock your doors cuz meth headsPresser liked this post
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I've been taking it post workout because I load up on like 100 grams fast burning carbs seconds after....
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04-11-2014, 04:17 PM #17
If you are trying to get leaner and bigger, carb manipulation is the key. All the classical bodybuilders did it and most modern powerlifters do it. And pretty much every primitive society had no problem eating all meat diets and being 10x as jacked as the modern man. You should give it a try. If things aren't working, you have to change something to get results right?
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What I'm doing is working, I'm wanted to know if there was any other peptides I could use .. Or like an ecay stack. Seems like ecay stack.. Mc igf-1 alone will prob do what I wante. Ill just up my dosae.. I wanna do 50/50 but I'm afraid iof intestinal growth
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And if I do mc igf-1 pre workout .. Is it wit my pre workout meal or Preworkout shake
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I'm not quite understanding that. I'm not less than 10% body fat but I would like to be... I may do the ecay. Finish up the next 6 weeks bulking with igf-1 while my carb intake is high, then immediately after go to a calorie defecit and do the ecay and just try n knock every ounce of fat off In 3 weeks.. I'll prob be like 14% body fat when I'm down with igf unless it burns more fat than I remember time will tell... But please do explain ur comment cuZ I def wouldn't mind being sub 10% body fat year round... I won't do roids though.. Igf-1 ecay things like that, that don't mess wit ur test levels
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Ok I'll try that, my plan will be this. Keep with the high protein and carbs for now while on MC igf-1..if it's over kill no big deal I can easily get back on diet with calorie defecit and no cheat meals and lose all the extra fat pounds, I'll try my first ecay stack once I'm done bulking wth the igf, and the ecay should help me quickly get shredded again... I'll try the carb around workout and maybe some with breakfast only...I prob shouldn't take adderall if taking ecay though right?
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Stop worrying about adding things. Your problem is your diet. If your trainer hasn't outlined that for you then you are pissing your money away. Sorry Bro just shooting you straight.
I know how it is to be overly enthusiastic and have your mind racing for a secret. Follow this and if you are consistent and not a lean 185 - 190 in 24 months than submit yourself for testing as your physiology isn't consistent with the rest of the human race.
8 oz lean ground beef and some carbs and fats (couple cups of rice, pasta, bagel, sandwich, etc) 4 times a day. I don't know how much olive oil I go through in a week, but I probably go through a gallon a month
Have a post workout shake.
20 minutes of cardio 4 times a week before eating or after training.
After 4 weeks check your weight and B/F caliper measurements. If after 2 months you gain more than say 10mm total in the calipers, cut out 75g of carbs. No "bulking or cutting". Sleep 8+ hours and stay away from alcohol. Train each body part once a week.
That's about it man. So simple that it just might work....
The diet is hard... that's why most struggle. It's a tremendous commitment, but everything else is just stimulus. Food builds tissue and controls your metabolism. As you get bigger you will need more food. Stay away from dairy to keep bodyfat lower
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It is Bro and it's tough, but it's a simple easy to prepare diet and I followed it for years.... so I'm not advocating anything I haven't done myself with tremendous success
I still eat 5 - 6+ lbs of lean ground beef a week. Add in all the tilapia and chicken and I eat a smidge over 2lbs of meat a day. That's not including the turkey sausage, turkey bacon, eggs....
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04-25-2014, 08:37 PM #34I can do that.. Let's talk about ecay.. How do I feel on that? I've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on it
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04-27-2014, 12:09 PM #37
This thread got really complicated for a simple thing. Do we really need to swollow or inject everything that might possibly give fat loss or some small advantage? What about the big things/ Diet, training and rest. It's sort of simple. Eat clean and you are going to have a hard time putting on fat. Keep carbs within your specific tolerance. Seeing that you are probably 16% BF or more I would say you are sensitive to carbs. limit them. Train heavy center around deadlifts, squats, bench bent rows, military presses. They will shock your body to put on mass. Eat to feed it and keep it clean means you will not get sloppy. Rest, get your 8 hrs a night and nap on week ends. All you need to grow at your stage is good nutrition, train hard and heavy, and rest. The human body was designed to adapt. give it the stimulus and nutrition and allow it time to adapt and you are moving forward. PEDs come later when you figure these general principles out. Trainers can be good or really bad. All it takes to be a trainer is a certificate.
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04-27-2014, 01:07 PM #39
It got complicated cause the op is a wackjob pantywaste who either doesn't listen or disregards the help. Then insults us for using gear and complains when his results aren't fast enough. As of now I'm officially over this thread. Wait.... not yet.... ok now.
I just wanted faster results, I'm done spending money on supplements. And I only been dieting for 5 months.. I just wanted faster results... Not gonna do ecayAnd how do you approach the pharmacy for ephedrine?I wanna take whatever I can to get as big and cut as possibleI've tried Clen I hate the way I feel on itBut I want to continue on the bulking diet and some how shred this fatI haven't given it much of a chance yet but I wanna stack some other things (non natural stuff) but I don't wanna mess with my test levels so cycling is out of the picture.What u guys think about riptropin?I won't do roids though
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