One bad cycle 4.5 years ago without PCT

Hey guys,

I'm 28. I don't know what I'm doing and I never really did. I followed some very poor advice. I ran through 2 tubes of test-E and about 120 dbol. I don't recall how long I was on, but I think it was 4 months. Only symptoms I had post was some itchy nipples, I came across a bottle of letrozole that I'm sure I was using improperly, but I stopped most gyno, no visible symptoms, I rarely experience itching while stressed, but not every time I'm stressed. I assume this sensation still counts as gyno, or is at least evidence of some hormone imbalance. I'm more prone to itching while hungry or on a diet, maybe something to do with burning fat. My biggest issues have been depression, lethargy, difficulty sleeping, minor shrinkage with maintained function downstairs.

My main point is I never recovered properly, what can I do to best recover at this time? I just want to feel normal again. I am not currently cycling and not particularly sure I'd like to cycle. I definitely don't want to after how stupidly I handled my first cycle, to be honest. I went about it wrong and it was a mistake for me to do it the way I did. I had a blood test about a year ago and I clocked in at 297 on my test, which is very low for my age. I am currently without health insurance and for whatever reason I never began to seek help now. My main question: Would a standard PCT cycle, Nolva, Clomid, hCG still be the way to go at this point? I assume it's better than nothing and I also assume there is probably a better way.

If the answer is to seek medical help, is there a particular specialty I should seek out? Should I be bothered about disclosing this to a doctor? I ask because that does bother me. So I turn to you guys!

It sounds like u have low T and u need to get to a Urologist if u want to get right if u just run test do u feel normal if so u have low t steroid are nothing to play with if u don't know what u r doing find someone who knows what they are doing

Thanks. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to figure this one out on my own. It's been a few years so my body has normalized as much as it will. I found a Urologist about 4 hour drive away who specifically advertises that they work with steroid users. I would go to just anyone but then I would be afraid that they would only want to offer me TRT. I don't want that, I want my body to produce it. I guess that would be HPTA reset? I've read some broscience on the web since making this post that basically hCG followed by PCT would correct secondary hypogonadism, but not primary. Given that I've been off it for so long I wouldn't want to rock the boat and would prefer to just seek treatment. Does anyone have any other thoughts? I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.

Surely a local endocrinologist or urologist would be able to help me, I just don't want to encounter someone who only wants to offer TRT. I guess I just have to call around and ask. My concern isn't with legal issues. Is there any harm to disclosing this medically in terms of collateral consequences or having this on my records for the future?

Although some docs may not like steroid use, they cant do anything about it really. And, they probably wont cause your not going to them asking for Test. I understand you may not want TRT, but it may be the option the doctor goes with. Using high dose steroids without proper PCT can cause you to have low T buddy. It usually happens with prolonged use. But, some people who are probably going to be low T guys anyway later in life will try steroids and cause the shut down earlier rather than later. Just didn't want you to be surprised if the doc goes this route sooner rather than later.

Yeah Austin, I won't be too surprised if it doesn't go my way on this one, but I want to try. I understand the theory that steroid use simply accelerates you towards your pre-dispositions, whatever they may be, balding, low T, etc. I'm not completely shutdown if I'm floating around 300. What's the difference between TRT and a very basic cycle anyway? Unless we're trying different things and relating that to my bloodwork for further adaptation, why not just run test and call it day?

TRT doses will keep your Test levels around 800-1100. A basic Test cycle of say 500mg/week will raise your Test level to 3000 to 4000. Big difference.

Thanks again

Well I was going to reply, but Austin handled everything. Nice job brother.

fstr03svtcobra said:

Well I was going to reply, but Austin handled everything. Nice job brother.

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Just beat ya ti it cobra. You know all this just as much...

Listen to Austin, like Cobra said, he pretty much covered it. Only thing I want to add is, if you aren't happy with what the doc tells you, or with how the treatment is going (by which I mean results you're getting), see a different doctor. I have some experience w TRT, I'm on it now for the second time, and for me it's been an ongoing experiment. If you go on TRT, don't be surprised if what works initially needs adjusting down the road.

I'll tell you this: my levels are slightly above yours naturally (I'm almost 45), and I feel 100X better on TRT. I'm not trying to push you one way or the other, just giving you my experience.

Thanks guys. I decided to shut up and stop freaking out. I ended up on a long lay off of about a year and a half right now, injuries and lack of sleep from an overnight job in the past put me on a downswing. My blood test is also from one year ago where my diet was shit, I had stopped lifting and could stand to lose 30 pounds, if I go back to it, fix my diet, sleep and drop the pounds I'm pretty sure I'll be feeling a lot better. I've gone thru some rehab for some injuries and I'm ready. So I'm going to just go back in, hit it hard, and see what my limits are, the last 2 days have felt great doing that. I'll give it a month or 2, take note of my recovery times, gains, see how I'm feeling and then seek medical help as needed. I realized that I believed based on this single test that I couldn't do what I wanted to do, which is just stupid. This was a headgame for me, it's time to be dedicated again. Thanks for listening and responding so far, it helped me work through what seems to have been more of an emotional issue than anything else. I apologize for coming to this place of men and WHINING!! Hahaha

What treatments have you followed for TRT? I've also realized that I am prejudiced to this idea and unrealistic to some degree or other.

welcome to MuscleChemistry brutha, looks like the others have some solid advice for ya, so not much more i can add other then welcoming you

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Thanks guys. I decided to shut up and stop freaking out. I ended up on a long lay off of about a year and a half right now, injuries and lack of sleep from an overnight job in the past put me on a downswing. My blood test is also from one year ago where my diet was shit, I had stopped lifting and could stand to lose 30 pounds, if I go back to it, fix my diet, sleep and drop the pounds I'm pretty sure I'll be feeling a lot better. I've gone thru some rehab for some injuries and I'm ready. So I'm going to just go back in, hit it hard, and see what my limits are, the last 2 days have felt great doing that. I'll give it a month or 2, take note of my recovery times, gains, see how I'm feeling and then seek medical help as needed. I realized that I believed based on this single test that I couldn't do what I wanted to do, which is just stupid. This was a headgame for me, it's time to be dedicated again. Thanks for listening and responding so far, it helped me work through what seems to have been more of an emotional issue than anything else. I apologize for coming to this place of men and WHINING!! Hahaha

What treatments have you followed for TRT? I've also realized that I am prejudiced to this idea and unrealistic to some degree or other.

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That's what we're here for brother. Hormones affect your emotions man. Bad, so I understand for sure. My TRT is one 200mg shot of Cyp a week, but I blast and cruise so there are only a few weeks out of the year that I actually follow that protocol. lol