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06-05-2018, 09:24 PM #51
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06-23-2018, 02:20 AM #52
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key part ''you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose'' , i think this time distance also same for the ones who uses hcg after cycle i have seen people crying about their natural production did not start even tho they had start injecting hcg , this might be the reason ?
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06-23-2018, 01:11 PM #53
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06-26-2018, 11:56 PM #55
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07-07-2018, 11:36 AM #57
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One question , if you keep your natural test production fine while on cycle (with hcg ) , do you still need to take pct after ?
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07-07-2018, 12:51 PM #58
Yes, using HCG during cycle, makes it so when you run PCT after your cycle , hat youll be able to recover much closer to your original natural levels than you would have been able to had you not run HCG throughout cycle. But yes, You would still need to run post cycle meds
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07-07-2018, 01:23 PM #59
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So using pct after u bounced back ( with hcg ) wont supress ur natural test production ? Some of my friends are not considering what to use for pct without having bloodwork done , and if they have fine natural test production after cycle (without hcg ) they dont use pct , due to what you have written up there , even with hcg you need pct , without hcg its like %1000 need of pct even tho u recovered , right ?
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07-07-2018, 04:22 PM #60
Using HCG while off cycle does not recover you natural test. It will appear As so but once you stop hcg then you’re back to “start up mode”. All the hcg does is two things.
While on : it keeps the liyding cells in idle so start up is faster and smooth
While in PCT :timing is so very important. It jump starts the lyding cells with its fake signals to speed up the process. Only issues with him this method is the high dosage and the possible desensitized lyding cells.
If you want to To truly recover your natural testosterone then a full 4 week PCT with nolva and clomid is necessary.
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07-10-2018, 06:21 PM #61
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This is very close to what my personal protocol has been for over three years. 250 iu every third day give or take. Beats the he’ll out of shrunken testixcles. Be aware of a possible e2 spike. Have anti e in hand. I endorse this protocol fwiw. I am 48 and don’t come off anymore.
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04-25-2020, 10:26 AM #67
I don't see the point brutha
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04-26-2020, 05:42 PM #69
Gotcha, well for the younger guys who still want kids and everyone else who cycles on and off then yes HCG is a must but once your prescribed TRT , I can’t think of a single reason you’d want to use HCG as well in all honesty.
trt is for life ya know, or until your too old to give a fuck anymore lol
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12-13-2022, 03:48 AM #72
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This is a great write up. If using HCG during the cycle, is the dose dependent on the size/body weight of the person or is it the same for everyone? For example under 200lbs would take 200iu-250iu EOD or E3D, and over 200lbs would take 250iu-500iu EOD or E3D? Or is it more of individual response and sensitivity to the HCG, and we just have to find our individual sweet spot within that range of dosages?
Also, when using HCG while on injectable testosterone and/or other AAS, could continued HCG use cause desensitization and tolerance whereby overtime the HCG becomes less and less effective and eventually useless? Or does no desensitization occur and the effectiveness remains the same with continued dosing?
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12-13-2022, 10:36 AM #73
i guess the desensitization would depend on how long you planned to use it. its a great question and as long as you keep your cycles between 16 to 20 weeks i wouldnt think youd become desensitized to it much. especially with a nice break inbetween cycles. Thats the real challenge lol, but you dont lose nearly as much of your gains when you use hcg throughout cycle, so its definitely worth it
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12-13-2022, 07:50 PM #74
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That makes more sense and I definitely agree taking a break after a cycle (ie time on = time off) is very practical from a health, longevity, and fertility stand point. So is it safe to assume then that caution regarding HCG usage while on TRT or blasting and cruising causing desensitization/down-regulation of the Leydig cells and/or Sertoli cells in the testes stems from being perpetually on cycle and trying to perpetually maintain testicular function by using HCG continually alongside the exogenous androgen use?
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12-14-2022, 12:57 AM #75
I would imagine that’s the reasoning overall and I’ll have to take your world for it in regards to your breaking it down as far as the leydig and Sertoli cells lol I can only broadly speak on it through experience but it appears your better versed in specific mechanisms and all that jazz lol
im just a bodybuilder man lmao
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12-14-2022, 02:36 AM #76
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It's been a while for me and I'm playing catch up with all the new info and options that are available now with regards to classic AAS, designer AAS, HGH, peptides, PCT ancillaries, E2 ancillaries, etc. I just want to make sure I'm all caught up before I dip my toe back in the water. Thank you, and I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions!