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I've been treading different boards I'm 49 now in the past I competed in the N PC from 19 till 32. I've placed top 5 at the Jr. Nationals, Jr. USA, Usa, took 7th at nationals, top 5 at North American. Plus a state class and overall tittle, regional class overall title. Among many other class wins. Never took anything but first till I got to national level shows. I quit at 32 had a baby, got married, you know real life. But I've been training guys for shows ever since, some you may know. I have a nutrition science degree from NUY, so I do have real training in the subject.

But I really feel badly for these guys coming up, the last thing they should be doing is using this board or any other as a be all and end all resource. Most of the things I read are just plain wrong, not to mention there are always 3-5 opinions on the same question. If your a young bodybuilder or just really want to learn correctly hook up with ONE guy who you know knows his shit and only listen to him, ignore any conflicting B.S. you see on these online forums. First off you have no idea who it's coming from, are they regurgitating shit from internet and has no real experience or is he a 12 year old kid using his mom's computer. Just be careful what advice you guys take and from who

Pgcc said:

I've been treading different boards I'm 49 now in the past I competed in the N PC from 19 till 32. I've placed top 5 at the Jr. Nationals, Jr. USA, Usa, took 7th at nationals, top 5 at North American. Plus a state class and overall tittle, regional class overall title. Among many other class wins. Never took anything but first till I got to national level shows. I quit at 32 had a baby, got married, you know real life. But I've been training guys for shows ever since, some you may know. I have a nutrition science degree from NUY, so I do have real training in the subject.

But I really feel badly for these guys coming up, the last thing they should be doing is using this board or any other as a be all and end all resource. Most of the things I read are just plain wrong, not to mention there are always 3-5 opinions on the same question. If your a young bodybuilder or just really want to learn correctly hook up with ONE guy who you know knows his shit and only listen to him, ignore any conflicting B.S. you see on these online forums. First off you have no idea who it's coming from, are they regurgitating shit from internet and has no real experience or is he a 12 year old kid using his mom's computer. Just be careful what advice you guys take and from who

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Thanks brother I agree with u!!
I help alot of guys out and I lead them y my 20 years of knowledge and experience.

U gotta go all the way thru the rabbit hole to look at all info, studies and then if smart enough can understand.
I had to learn pharmacenetic parts and learn about receptors and mechanisms of action.

Some false things example, "no Nolva with 19nors "
This is bullshit and false!!

Another is that guys think Adex and letro with cause great amounts if estro to come back more than ever!!
False only what isn't yet metabolized, which only takes a couple days or time of ester of aromatase roids and their metabolites to be out body. Keep adex or letro the competitor there until done.

Aromasin only has advantage over unmetabolized aromatase enzymes from coming back.

There is not stored estro and when source of aromatase is removed let esters clear!!

Taking adex or any AI like it's nothing will hurt u more than roids.

I help guys I tell them and they come back with something they read like they have it all figured out.

Trust the right guys!!! Stop looking for what u wanna hear!!

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Also I can't stand the whole "cutting drug" "bulking drug myth" that persists. For example I've read so many times that Anadrol or dbol will make you retain a ton of water on its ow. This is so off base. It all depends on your diet. I was on 50mgs of Anadrol 4 weeks out,totally shredded, before there were AI' s so all I was using was noveldex.Now with these powerful AI s you can use adrol up to a week out. Dbol same thing, ive used dbol close to contest time with no problems eitber(just noveldex) all depends on diet. If you take adrol or dbol and eat like shit yes you will become a water balloon but that's not the drugs fault, it's you not eating right.
Now there are drugs that are only good for a contest, masteron for example. But you can diet on any drug.

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Also I can't stand the whole "cutting drug" "bulking drug myth" that persists. For example I've read so many times that Anadrol or dbol will make you retain a ton of water on its ow. This is so off base. It all depends on your diet. I was on 50mgs of Anadrol 4 weeks out,totally shredded, before there were AI' s so all I was using was noveldex.Now with these powerful AI s you can use adrol up to a week out. Dbol same thing, ive used dbol close to contest time with no problems eitber(just noveldex) all depends on diet. If you take adrol or dbol and eat like shit yes you will become a water balloon but that's not the drugs fault, it's you not eating right.
Now there are drugs that are only good for a contest, masteron for example. But you can diet on any drug.

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I myself use mast and proviron for estro control. I have had convenience of free products so the expense isn't killing me!!

I use nolva 10 mg s day!

I just ran into bloat last few years I am 42. If my diet isn't in check or adding hgh which I hasnt in 10 years.
Also I had heat stroke last summer and I countered with water and seems my metabolism and body temp when expending energy has not completely been back to normal!!

On bulking and cutting besides diet on myself i get different results depending on where my body fat is at when I start.
On lean bulk if I start above 13% I tend to bloat more and those fats seem to take on the bloat!
That's just me. My job, my life with kids make it hard to follow a good diet!

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Great first post Pgcc. A rant. I am a member on many boards and all of them say cutting or bulking depends on diet not gear.
All of them!
Here is what grinds my finaplex to powder.
Guys who say they are the answer and they have all the answers. Funny part is seems to be a nutritionist/dietician issue. Overblown sense of ego's and people looking down at others is the problem. There are many ways to skin a cat.

Welcome to MC

Muscle mechanic said:

I myself use mast and proviron for estro control. I have had convenience of free products so the expense isn't killing me!!

I use nolva 10 mg s day!

I just ran into bloat last few years I am 42. If my diet isn't in check or adding hgh which I hasnt in 10 years.
Also I had heat stroke last summer and I countered with water and seems my metabolism and body temp when expending energy has not completely been back to normal!!

On bulking and cutting besides diet on myself i get different results depending on where my body fat is at when I start.
On lean bulk if I start above 13% I tend to bloat more and those fats seem to take on the bloat!
That's just me. My job, my life with kids make it hard to follow a good diet!

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This is good stuff thats not widely know or accepted. I always appreciate your input and knowledge brutha!!

Muscle mechanic said:

I myself use mast and proviron for estro control. I have had convenience of free products so the expense isn't killing me!!

I use nolva 10 mg s day!

I just ran into bloat last few years I am 42. If my diet isn't in check or adding hgh which I hasnt in 10 years.
Also I had heat stroke last summer and I countered with water and seems my metabolism and body temp when expending energy has not completely been back to normal!!

On bulking and cutting besides diet on myself i get different results depending on where my body fat is at when I start.
On lean bulk if I start above 13% I tend to bloat more and those fats seem to take on the bloat!
That's just me. My job, my life with kids make it hard to follow a good diet!

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Iron-game said:

This is good stuff thats not widely know or accepted. I always appreciate your input and knowledge brutha!!

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Thing is my metabolism always been really high. I get my foods in but I am one who eats tons and tons of what ever i want and really don't get over around 14% ever been over 10 years that I have!

I can defy all the rules alot of times!!

But I make adjustments and push harder get heart up and really sweat!

I am getting back in groove since surgery just kicked sleepiness and pushing now.

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Muscle mechanic said:

I myself use mast and proviron for estro control. I have had convenience of free products so the expense isn't killing me!!

I use nolva 10 mg s day!

I just ran into bloat last few years I am 42. If my diet isn't in check or adding hgh which I hasnt in 10 years.
Also I had heat stroke last summer and I countered with water and seems my metabolism and body temp when expending energy has not completely been back to normal!!

On bulking and cutting besides diet on myself i get different results depending on where my body fat is at when I start.
On lean bulk if I start above 13% I tend to bloat more and those fats seem to take on the bloat!
That's just me. My job, my life with kids make it hard to follow a good diet!

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Providing with noveldex was the go-to gyno control method before AI's. And, yeah, masteron is good too for estrogen control

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Muscle mechanic said:

Thanks brother I agree with u!!
I help alot of guys out and I lead them y my 20 years of knowledge and experience.

U gotta go all the way thru the rabbit hole to look at all info, studies and then if smart enough can understand.
I had to learn pharmacenetic parts and learn about receptors and mechanisms of action.

Some false things example, "no Nolva with 19nors "
This is bullshit and false!!

Another is that guys think Adex and letro with cause great amounts if estro to come back more than ever!!
False only what isn't yet metabolized, which only takes a couple days or time of ester of aromatase roids and their metabolites to be out body. Keep adex or letro the competitor there until done.

Aromasin only has advantage over unmetabolized aromatase enzymes from coming back.

There is not stored estro and when source of aromatase is removed let esters clear!!

Taking adex or any AI like it's nothing will hurt u more than roids.

I help guys I tell them and they come back with something they read like they have it all figured out.

Trust the right guys!!! Stop looking for what u wanna hear!!

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Kinda true if you search enough you'll find the answer you are looking for even if it's way off base.

Pgcc said:

Providing with noveldex was the go-to gyno control method before AI's. And, yeah, masteron is good too for estrogen control

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Kinda true if you search enough you'll find the answer you are looking for even if it's way off base.

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Yes. I use Adex I just use it low.
I just have felt better this way.

I always recommend keeping an AI on hand and using as little as possible, the thing is some guys don't even know signs or if they aromatase.
Or in estro is high or low they just taking what they read somewhere.
I help alot of guys thru messages, and one of them gave me hell, I had to tell him if u got it all figured out why u need me.
That u gotta walk into the water slow and be sure it's safe that every one is different.

20 years ago I learned with caution and it has stayed with me. Today too alot of guys think they can take this, that, with this and they have it all figured out.

I learned what works for me. And yes there should be one person u trust u can go to until each guy can learn for themselves from that one approach the rule of thumb most of us that have used long enough understand

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I like this thread and wanna share this. New guys I have helped look at my cycle my weight and they wonder why it doesn't change much! They think that gear will make use like the pro's!!! Lol!
And most of these guys haven't learned about low bf% achieving it and learning that the scale doesn't matter. And they enough muscle with 7% bf looks good on every one.

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My diet suffers because of my kids. The last cut I did I made them keep all junk separate from my foods. And off counter tops.

When I didn't have all that in house it was easier. My wife buys too much junk. Got tired of arguing about it.

Now she wants my HELP to lose weight. I am like why haven't u saved all the diets I have spent hours making u with routines!
Lol!

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Iron-game said:

Great first post Pgcc. A rant. I am a member on many boards and all of them say cutting or bulking depends on diet not gear.
All of them!
Here is what grinds my finaplex to powder.
Guys who say they are the answer and they have all the answers. Funny part is seems to be a nutritionist/dietician issue. Overblown sense of ego's and people looking down at others is the problem. There are many ways to skin a cat.

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I just replied to your post and accidentally erased it. Let me say first off I didn't post here to fight with you man. I went to school for nutrition science for 6 years and I was never once taught about steroids, ohemistry, or pharmaceuticals of any kind so you're contention that I think I know more because I happen to have a nutrition science degree holds no water. Also I could care less if your a "site administrator " whatever thAt is and have like 5,000 pists I still know I have more knowledge, most likely I could be wrong, in my left pinky about contest prep and BB ingeneral than you have in your emtire brain. Im almost 50, I first competed at 19 that's 31 years,around this sport man. I'm not going to sing my own praises I already sort of went over that in the original post. I've won more contests then you've probably attended.
But you say you read different boards and your right some people do realize that this myth that no matter what you do Anadrol or dbol is going to make you a water balloon is not true. But I would say from what I've read 80% still believe this. And its total nonsense. It didn't hold water as a competitor before AI' s were released. But now these powerful, basically estrogen killers make it possible to take drugs like Anadrol up to a contest ivs had my athletes, 4 of whom are now pros, take Anadrol less then a week out with a high dose of letro or a moderate dose of letro with a moderate dose of arimidex. There is alot more I can write but why, there is no use. Most of you guys have absolutely no clue, confuse the crap out of the new guys with your 5 or 6 different opinions when there is one right answer.. K I'm done I'll post again in a year maybe


Anyone who really wants help, for real where you don't need to guess feel free to private message me.

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I just replied to your post and accidentally erased it. Let me say first off I didn't post here to fight with you man. I went to school for nutrition science for 6 years and I was never once taught about steroids, ohemistry, or pharmaceuticals of any kind so you're contention that I think I know more because I happen to have a nutrition science degree holds no water. Also I could care less if your a "site administrator " whatever thAt is and have like 5,000 pists I still know I have more knowledge, most likely I could be wrong, in my left pinky about contest prep and BB ingeneral than you have in your emtire brain. Im almost 50, I first competed at 19 that's 31 years,around this sport man. I'm not going to sing my own praises I already sort of went over that in the original post. I've won more contests then you've probably attended.
But you say you read different boards and your right some people do realize that this myth that no matter what you do Anadrol or dbol is going to make you a water balloon is not true. But I would say from what I've read 80% still believe this. And its total nonsense. It didn't hold water as a competitor before AI' s were released. But now these powerful, basically estrogen killers make it possible to take drugs like Anadrol up to a contest ivs had my athletes, 4 of whom are now pros, take Anadrol less then a week out with a high dose of letro or a moderate dose of letro with a moderate dose of arimidex. There is alot more I can write but why, there is no use. Most of you guys have absolutely no clue, confuse the crap out of the new guys with your 5 or 6 different opinions when there is one right answer.. K I'm done I'll post again in a year maybe


Anyone who really wants help, for real where you don't need to guess feel free to private message me.

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Brother I don't think IG was opposing u at all or refering to u. I gathered he agreed with u that most guys know Jack or don't do what they say.
I understood he was agreeing with u about misinformation. He agreed the diet and nutrition are to bulk of cut not gear used necessary!

But I will say this nutrition has to do with health.
Why run something that is to bulk on a cut and kill your health with an ai when u can use gear to cut that doesn't aromatase??

I am not gonna go all out on a strict nutritional regimine and diet and kill my lipids with an AI!! Example Anadrol is bad for liver function and lipids, now add enough AI to cut with anadrol!!! Counter productive. Why use education in one area to achieve but not in another???

Until u got pissy with a site administrator u were cool but now u sound like one of those guys u posted about!

At MC we don't have these contest the mature guys who have experience pass it along. No offense but this is MC brother respect out site reps or u disrespecting MC!!!

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I am not gonna argue with u. I said what I did because i respect MC and all our reps and u not being respectful in that manor, u may have knowledge but being that way nobody will listen to u!
At least I won't.
This can be cool with me and I am sorry but I had to let u know how u came across.
Go bet with someone else we listen to experience from guys who don't have to be the best.
If u wanna help people then help them brother, I know I am busy as hell with people I help I don't have to prove anything or bet.
I am too busy to take on Any more most of time.


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If u really wanna be generous and helpful just help guys on board so others can learn.
The private thing only helps one.
If u start helping on open board people will pm u that don't wanna be public!
That is why I am so busy cause I wanna help.
Wondering why u not?
If u wanna charge people that is against rules.


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Look boss, it has nothing to do with my position here at MC and you can give me your resume til kingdom come.
It about acting right in someone elses home. Your first post about your credentials and misinformation on this forum. You are not even addressing a specific post or thread. It was general overall verbal vomit! Its not needed and does nothing but serve your own ego. If you want to contribute great if your here to bitch piss off. Your choice...

Moving forward, as Muscle Mechanic said you could possibly find members that need your help.

I don't know you and I'm not out to fight with you. I just took offense to your comment that my post was useless when I constantly talk to younger guys who believe it's the drug you take not your diet that causes water retention. We both know that's crap but enough people still believe it that it causes problems, so how was me bringing it up a useless post?? Dude, I'm not into these forums, personally I believe they do much more harm than good for guys starting out so you won't see me posting here often. But I just want to say we are cool.

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If u really wanna be generous and helpful just help guys on board so others can learn.
The private thing only helps one.
If u start helping on open board people will pm u that don't wanna be public!
That is why I am so busy cause I wanna help.
Wondering why u not?
If u wanna charge people that is against rules.


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I told you I have a nutrition science degree I also have a kinesiology degree so I own a business focused on athletic training, I mostly work with high level collegiate athletes but i also advise, nutritionally, several women models, and I train bodybuilders for completion. I try to stay away from the normal weekend warrior who wants a trainer. A client of mine is a 20 year old college student getting ready for his first classic physique contest two weeks from this coming Saturday. I met this kid at about the 16 week out point, he told me he was doing the show in late September but he was eating barely anything, doing fasted cardio (one of the biggest wastes of time there is) and he looked lean but long and lean. Not BB lean. Not to mention his body fat was at a point it should be at about 4 weeks out he had 16. I told him if he keeps that up for another 16 weeks I don't care how many drugs he takes he's going to look like a string bean on stage and loose most of his muscle in the process. I'm not cheap so knowing he's a college student I knew he couldnt afford me but I could see how bad he wanted this so I took him on for free. Needless to say I actually lowered his drugs from tren, test pro and mast prop 100mg ed to eod
But I totally overhauled his diet. I had him immediately up his carbs into the 300's, cut the cardio totally, upped his protein to 250 a day. Kid had no legs. None at all so I gave him a pretty intense leg workout also. From that day I worked with him closely, changing things sometimes daily, ESP now at the end. But he was able to pretty much double in muscle size and look harder at the same time. He's flat right now obviously because of his lower carb intake but days I up his carbs he fills out so quick and looks great. The guys who know I was helping him are like WTF did you do with that kid? I never thought he had a chance to plane now I say top 3. My point is, if someone cant afford what I normally charge sometimes I do it for free like him and sometimes I just take what they can afford, especially if they are college kids. I remember being a broke college student, not fun at all. So anyone with questions I will answer

And to answer your question of why in would use a harsher drug like Anadrol close to a show with a high dose of SO it's because nothing is going to make you look fuller, bigger ect on stage And The high dose of ai(ie. 2mgs arimidex a day for the last week or 1 mg arimidex and 1 mg letro) is going to take care of any type of water retention
Of course they are also using tren and masteron also for example. High level competitive BB is not about health.