2nd cycle

Hello peeps

im half way into week 3 of my cycle..

225 mg test prop 1-4
300 mg NPP 1-8
500 mg test e 1-16
600 mg eq 1-16
anavar 50mg 8-16

as an AI I’m taking .5 mg of arimidex eod.. I’m trying to use this cycle as a cutting cycle cutting the most fat I can. I mannaged to somehow gain 8lb in just the first 2 weeks so I’m guessing I’m retaining water and I do see my self getting bloated.. today I have cleaned up my diet and looks like I’ll be a bit under 1600 calories.. hopefully that puts me back in the fat burning zone and start seeing weight loss. My issues is that I’ve been feeling really hungry even minutes after having a meal don’t know if it’s the eq or NPP as those are new compounds I have used. The bloat I’m sure it’s the test e since that’s the same that happen to me on my first cycle.. should I drop the eq now to stop the hunger? I’m thinking of upping my NPP dose to 400 mg a week after I drop the test prop to see if I get any fat loss from it.. I’m also considering adding tren to my cycle after I drop NPP and add anavar to help with the fat loss.. I’m attaching a picture of my macros to see if you guys can advise on my diet. Keeping calories low since I’m trying to cut a lot of weight. Thanks for any advise

Miguels said:

Hello peeps

im half way into week 3 of my cycle..

225 mg test prop 1-4
300 mg NPP 1-8
500 mg test e 1-16
600 mg eq 1-16
anavar 50mg 8-16

as an AI I’m taking .5 mg of arimidex eod.. I’m trying to use this cycle as a cutting cycle cutting the most fat I can. I mannaged to somehow gain 8lb in just the first 2 weeks so I’m guessing I’m retaining water and I do see my self getting bloated.. today I have cleaned up my diet and looks like I’ll be a bit under 1600 calories.. hopefully that puts me back in the fat burning zone and start seeing weight loss. My issues is that I’ve been feeling really hungry even minutes after having a meal don’t know if it’s the eq or NPP as those are new compounds I have used. The bloat I’m sure it’s the test e since that’s the same that happen to me on my first cycle.. should I drop the eq now to stop the hunger? I’m thinking of upping my NPP dose to 400 mg a week after I drop the test prop to see if I get any fat loss from it.. I’m also considering adding tren to my cycle after I drop NPP and add anavar to help with the fat loss.. I’m attaching a picture of my macros to see if you guys can advise on my diet. Keeping calories low since I’m trying to cut a lot of weight. Thanks for any advise

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If that's total potassium u need 5000 per day. That helps with bloating.
I always gain the first week or 2 especially with a stack like that.
U prolly have 2000 mg of gear per week, if i were u I would've kept it under 1000-1500!

Also if u have eq at 600 plus npp at 400
Then if u trying to cut then I would drop test to around 300 but I do things a little different.

I don't use eq with deca or npp
My reason is both can aromatase after a certain dose even more together not to mention your test being about 400 with them.

Sure lots of people combine those but I feel it's better for experienced users. Not knocking u brother, but this us your second cycle.

I would lower test to around 300 and lift eq up to 800-900 to get the effect u looking for at alot less complicated.

Or in the first hand would have used test with primo.
Test with higher primo or
Test at 300-400 and primo 600 Eq at 400-600.

BUT if u used something that doesn't aromatase like primo and mast then u can run your test at 600-750 no problem.
Also adding proviron to this all u need is 10mg of nolva a day and aromatase would not be an issue at all.
I seldom run an AI .5 adex 2x a week at very most always.

But combining those at those doses will make them all feed each other and allow eq, npp, and test to all aromatase each of them with a progesterone function as well.

I feel those combos are way too complex for me to even wanna deal with to be honest.

That's my input brother good luck!!

Oh and another thing u always wanna add more dht no aromatase steroids if u trying to lean. In my option that balance is off!!!

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I’m gonna drop me test e to 300 and see if that helps.. I’ll up my potassium as well

I’ll review my cycle with your suggestion and see what other changes I can do..

Miguels said:

I’m gonna drop me test e to 300 and see if that helps.. I’ll up my potassium as well

I’ll review my cycle with your suggestion and see what other changes I can do..

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Nothing is WRONG with cycle.
It's just hard to tell which one is giving trouble if trouble starts.

I am different than alot of guys too.
I only stack two and 1 oral and not always an oral at all.

If u see me stacking serveral
It's non aromatase gear in the stack with low to moderate test.

That's just me!

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MM hit your gear questions, I will try to help you with a little nutrition help.

Your going low calorie so you are going to be hungry; couple of things you can do if possible, increase your fiber to 25 to 35 grams a day ( lot of veggies, nothing starchy like potatoes or corn). Cut as much of the sugar as you can, high sugar in a calorie deficient state = hungry!!!

If you can handle it use the ECA stack to help curb your hunger.

My sugar and carbs are high because of the sugar in my coffee.. I will cut my morning coffee and replace with a protein shake. About the hunger thing.. it’s not the calories I’m consuming it’s the gear. I have never gotten hungry this way. I could go all day with no food and have a meal all day and not be hungry. Now I’m hungry minutes after I eat. It’s managable right now but don’t want it to get worse

The protein and calories seem a bit low. How much do you weigh? Your cutting then you shouldn't be consuming any sugar unless immediately after training. Try upping the protein and eat nuts or some kind of healthy fat with it. For a filling meal. Then keep carbs to only pre and post workout. This works for me. Some mornings I eat carbs too. Especially legs and chest days.

My first thought from that is how much do you weigh because that protein seems low. In that stack I would like to see Masteron and you could get rid of the AI possibly also. What multi vitamin do you take also?

I agree with masher and def metal!
I had a bloating issue but my
protien was around 350-400 grams
Carbs 350
Fats 90
Calories 3300-4000

I lowered sodium upped potassium
Cut protien down to 250 and was good.

I am 5'8" my weight is 196
My bf 10%?? Abs showing

Now I am cutting I am not consistant with diet but my
cals will be around 3000 for now
My potasium i always shoot for 4000-5000
My carbs will be cycled all in after workout and not after 3pm no food after 7pm
Fasted workouts with only protien 4 gram carb and hgh pre-workout. Preferably I get up at 4am hit hgh at 4:45 protien at 5:15 workout 5:45 to almost 7am food at 7:15 with carbs
I will keep protien between 225 and 300.
I will keep fat around 70-90
I will start eating lean meat and veggies, sweat potatoes, oats as carbs but try to eat every 2 hours.
Once I get carb cycling right I don't need to pay attention as much to everything else I can feel ketosis and I will go in and out!!

This is what I do!!! But I am just a guy who likes to keep up and never get left behind!!!

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My plan is to bump my protein to at least 250g.. my protein was low because I didn’t have any meat source for lunch but tomorrow I will have chicken so I should be good. My carbs I want to keep them under 150g because I’m super sensitive to carbs.. I’m cutting sugar and will avoid processed food. Planning on cutting 20lbs with this cycle of 16 weeks

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Masher59 said:

My first thought from that is how much do you weigh because that protein seems low. In that stack I would like to see Masteron and you could get rid of the AI possibly also. What multi vitamin do you take also?

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Some brand called gat which I think it German. I also take vitamin e, c, B, zinc, d and probiotics

I take sports multi vitamin dollar gen Wal-Mart brand
I take fish oil 3000 mg
Co q10 200 mg
B6 100 mg (carpal tunnel)
Triple strength joint supplement
Nac 600-1200 mg
Milk thistle 400 mg
Garlic 1000mg
Digestive enzymes

I think that covers it.
I mostly only use 1 protien mix a day with water pre-workout

If i don't have a source of meat I may get me something anything, roadkill, may be even become Cannibal!! Lol!
If bad comes to worse pork rines have alot of protien, cottage cheese, Greek yogurt
Protien is always there for me.

I have meat always, chicken, alot of lean red meat, and ground beef cooked all ways. My wife cooks everything with extra meat and it all comes with me to work.
My area of fridge I can live at work for a week without starving I have everything in fridge or locker. Lol!!



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Muscle mechanic said:

I take sports multi vitamin dollar gen Wal-Mart brand
I take fish oil 3000 mg
Co q10 200 mg
B6 100 mg (carpal tunnel)
Triple strength joint supplement
Nac 600-1200 mg
Milk thistle 400 mg
Garlic 1000mg
Digestive enzymes

I think that covers it.
I mostly only use 1 protien mix a day with water pre-workout

If i don't have a source of meat I may get me something anything, roadkill, may be even become Cannibal!! Lol!
If bad comes to worse pork rines have alot of protien, cottage cheese, Greek yogurt
Protien is always there for me.

I have meat always, chicken, alot of lean red meat, and ground beef cooked all ways. My wife cooks everything with extra meat and it all comes with me to work.
My area of fridge I can live at work for a week without starving I have everything in fridge or locker. Lol!!



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I've never used digestive enzymes. I know a lot of guys do. Especially since most of us eat 4-7 times a day! Do you notice a big difference with them? What would you say is the advantages of taking them? I poop so much I feel like I eat for nothing sometimes. Not sure if digestive enzymes would help..

DefMetalLifter said:

I've never used digestive enzymes. I know a lot of guys do. Especially since most of us eat 4-7 times a day! Do you notice a big difference with them? What would you say is the advantages of taking them? I poop so much I feel like I eat for nothing sometimes. Not sure if digestive enzymes would help..

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They help sluggish metabolism and help absorb food more.
Without them
I shit like I gotta run in morning and stomach turns then flotch a big pile.

With them solid turds and they don't float,
Proper color!!!

They are so cheap I go with them!!!
Out right now!! U think it's buy one get one most of time for like $4 Wal-Mart

They chewable and taste good take before eating

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Muscle mechanic said:

They help sluggish metabolism and help absorb food more.
Without them
I shit like I gotta run in morning and stomach turns then flotch a big pile.

With them solid turds and they don't float,
Proper color!!!

They are so cheap I go with them!!!
Out right now!! U think it's buy one get one most of time for like $4 Wal-Mart

They chewable and taste good take before eating

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Wow that is cheap! I'm gonna get some and give them a try. Do you use before every meal, including just a protein shake?

DefMetalLifter said:

Wow that is cheap! I'm gonna get some and give them a try. Do you use before every meal, including just a protein shake?

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3-4 times a day. Keep them in gym bag.
That is how they should be used.
They cheap but 16 a day. It's 4 at time.
But I buy those bogo deals my wife's picks them up too.

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Muscle mechanic said:

3-4 times a day. Keep them in gym bag.
That is how they should be used.
They cheap but 16 a day. It's 4 at time.
But I buy those bogo deals my wife's picks them up too.

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Ok. Yeah maybe this will help me not spend so much tim
e sitting on a toilet. Haha.

Cycle update

the day after I posted this thread the hunger went away. Most the sugar I consumed was from milk and that’s about the only sugar I’m consuming. Also stopped eating fruit high in sugar.. the weight has started to melt away the last 2 day.. this is actually a good cutting cycle.

Week 4 and starting to feel it

fat continues to drop. Can’t say strength gain is up but the focus and the will to keep pushing is really high. I did chest today and got on a press machine. When I pushed the weight it felt really heavy and I thought I’d get only 5 reps. Was actually able to get 10 reps and felt stronger each set that I stayed on it for 2 more sets. Used cialis as a pre work out and got a good pump but don’t know if it’s due to actually pushing more weight. Cleaning up my diet I dropped 14 lbs after going 8. Will try to keep dropping fat

Week 4 I did 400mg of npp. The last 2 weeks I’ve been on 450mg and it seems to be the sweet spot. Strength is about 15% up could be more. My libido is way up but I’m not lasting long like before. 7 minutes to 10 the most and I’m emptying.. only good thing is I can jump back on it. 500mg test e 300 mg eq and 450mg npp. Lowered arimidex to .5 mg a week and seems to have helped get stronger but retaining more water weight. This is 7 week update

OP , you need to COMMIT to cutting . Your cycle is not the best cutting cycle, and your last post states that your strength is up 15% .. do you really think that if you were committed to cutting that your strength would be UP 15% ? no of course not. your strength is up because of all the water and weight you gained from the start of the cycle (again thats not cutting brother). sure your getting a little bit from the anaboics but still it wouldn't be that profound a few weeks in especially in a calorie deficit.

couple points
- you did not need to front load a cut cycle with test prop with test e as a base (thats classic bulking protocols).. should of just low dose Test from day one
- I see nothing in your cycle that promotes lipolysis directly (no Clen, no T3, no HGH, no Yohimbe) .. all I see is a bunch of testosterone. you could of just got by with way less anabolics and test and used only 200mg test per week, 500mg NPP, 50mg a day Var and then add a fat burner.

but again I don't think your committed to a cut. no one that is serious about a cut is so concerned about getting stronger like you are.