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    Hey fellas
    I am on a mini blast.
    Using Low doses of alot if hormones and i got a good balance
    I feel great and BP is great.

    Only in gym HIIT 3-4 times week atm.
    Cleaning diet adding more food but clean stuff.

    Mini blast (I am very experienced don't try this other wise)
    Test cyp 200mg wk total
    Deca 250mg wk total
    Mast e 300wk
    Test prop 35mg everyday
    Trest ace around 10mg everyday
    Primo e around 65mg everyday
    Mast prop 40mg everyday

    Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk or less
    Adex 0.5mg 2x wk

    Hgh 5iu a day
    Igf 60mcg on workout days in muscle split bilateral
    Need more igf
    MT2 250mcg 3x wk

    I feel great.
    No thyroid at all either, came off I obviously bounced back now and adjusted to hgh

    I have more mast e so mast prop will come to hault soon.
    I have plenty primo
    I will switch to NPP soon and lower deca to 100wk
    I may use Trest e at 100mg one week then switch to trest ace next week and so on.
    I may lower test but like it now
    I am letting DHB 1-test-cyp stack up and will use it later in place a primo.
    I have primo mix too it's
    50mg primo prop, 50mg primo e, and 50mg androstan
    Lol!!!
    Will see where this goes Gonna gain some lean muscle and keep bf low!!!



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    Thats a whole lot of shit, how much do you weight in these pics ? and how tall are you if u dont mind my asking. Lastly, we all know what you look like and what your tattoos are, whats with the scrub-a-dubdub
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Thats a whole lot of shit, how much do you weight in these pics ? and how tall are you if u dont mind my asking. Lastly, we all know what you look like and what your tattoos are, whats with the scrub-a-dubdub
    I am 5'8" 196lbs. ATM
    I had edited photos for somewhere I covered tatoos there. I used same photos rather than crop out face again...

    But sometimes I do get paranoid. My woman always tells me I shouldn't post photos and tatoos should be covered...
    That's all brother.
    Just taking a different approach and only using personal.
    Like an idiot I was a rep before in past and it's something I regret and don't wanna contribute to what anyone else may do, even though I told myself it was just a rep...

    The only rep I will be is keeping a good reputation nothing on the wrong side...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Thats a whole lot of shit, how much do you weight in these pics ? and how tall are you if u dont mind my asking. Lastly, we all know what you look like and what your tattoos are, whats with the scrub-a-dubdub
    I am expermenting with the combo of gear.

    Trying to find low enough deca or npp for benifits without sides and use less Primo!!

    The mast is just something I like for it's dry properties and anti-estro affects.

    The trest ace I am gonna navigate into finding right dose with TRT dose of test!!

    I wanna use less deca and add in NPP as said
    And primo just use moderate.
    It's benifits of Nandrolone I am really after.
    And anabolic of primo added

    So my reasoning for that stack is again
    -To find TREST dose as low as possible and keep TEST dose low which I will go down.
    -MASTERONE I will keep around 400wk once I switch to only mast e!! Anti-estro and free test benifits.
    -DECA benifits just positive ones will lower to 100mg wk once I get NPP then add in NPP and not much will find dose, but it may be 150-250 week at most prolly less!
    -PRIMO anabolic affects i am looking for at lower dose hopefully around 400wk with a little help with NANDROLONE!

    -CABAR I WILL LOWER TO 0.25MG @2Śwk
    -ADEX hoping to lower! 0.25mg to 0.5mg per wk.

    -HGH are generics and 5iu a day helping with staying lean and really healing my tendons!!

    As I said DHB (TEST-1-CYP) I will prolly use later instead of primo and deca.

    I didn't have everything on hand so I started
    Mast e will have enough soon
    Npp as well and DHB too.
    So thought it wouldn't or couldn't hurt to start as I did.
    Proviron also may use in place of some of mast and lower it...

    On trest ace I love the stuff even at very low dose, trest E 200mg I have too and wanna use up without any build up so may do as said or try small amounts and Lower trest ace.

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    I’m not sure if I’m correct on this but I’ve heard that deca is good at relieving joint pain is that the benefits your referring to? I know that some try docs say that a low dose is also very beneficial
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    I’m not sure if I’m correct on this but I’ve heard that deca is good at relieving joint pain is that the benefits your referring to? I know that some try docs say that a low dose is also very beneficial
    That and immune function.
    Deca has more uses for health benifits per small dose than any other steroid.


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    What do you consider a low does of deca? Would like to try this after current cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by blacktail View Post
    What do you consider a low does of deca? Would like to try this after current cycle
    100-200mg a week.

    Moderate 300-500

    High 500-.....

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    Keep us informed I’d really like to know how it goes
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Keep us informed I’d really like to know how it goes
    I ran This before but
    Trest ace 20mg a day
    Test prop 75mg a day
    Test c 200wk
    Deca 600wk
    Mast e 1000wk
    Primo e 700wk
    Anadrol 50mg a day

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    Right now I'm on 400 a week of deca. Hit 4 weeks yesterday so I should start to see what this will do soon. Last time I ran 300 and had good results.
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    This is a great combo.
    I had rips viens in abdomen
    I was bigger and full.
    Hgh and t3 and t4 were included in higher run.
    To be honest I could if changed diet and cut with it...

    Right now with lower version I am looking for long term dosing at minimum amounts of each.
    Primo expensive but a little Nandrolone with it much less needed!!!
    Mast is just something I keep in at all doses! Or proviron.
    I am old school nolva 10mg a day Mast and no AI if not nec!!!
    The trest ace???? It's awesome it's like finding test prop all over again and can be used at Low 10-20mg for all free test benifits super test feeling and acting with out sides of trest too high.
    25mg trest ace a day lmao u will never need test over 500mg again It's pointless it just is bound... trest is all active and free not bound 95% like test!!

    Mast and primo or mild and have benifits in leaner user!! But not the high in bf%

    Deca awesome if lean too,

    And we talked about test and trest!!

    DHB 1-test-cyp this is another that I will use in place if both deca and primo or never know maybe all together!!

    I am learning balancing different hormones
    Test, dht, progest are more beneficial like lipid recovery and joint health.

    On a cut I will go androgenic only with test and nonaromatasing Anabolics like primo.
    Mast, anavar and tren but looking to not need tren or only for 4 weeks.
    But really tren don't bother me but my lipids got smacked from my last big lean bulk then cut...



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    Feeling good.
    Pumps good
    Doing this now
    Test e 200wk
    Test p 35mg a day
    TREST ACE 12.5mg
    Mast e and p 500wk total
    Deca 150wk
    NPP 65-75mg MWF
    Primo e 65mg a day
    Hgh 5iu a day
    MT2 250mcg 3x week
    Nolva 20mg 3x wk
    Adex 0.5mg 2-3x wk
    Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk

    Proviron added soon mast taken out
    Npp and deca stay primo taken out.

    Will play with doses and may add some trest E low dose.
    We will see.

    Still lean diet not completely clean but working on it.
    Feel like i can stay in gym once I start.
    It's all good. Calm as can be.


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    Wanna update.
    I am bigger.
    Test e 200 wk
    Test prop 35mg a day
    Trest ace 12.5 mg a day
    Mast e and p 400wk
    Primo e 525wk
    NPP 65mg MWF
    Nolva 20mg eod
    Adex 0.5mg 3x wk
    Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk
    Hgh 5iu a day
    MT2 250mcg 3x week

    I will change up now or tomorow
    Will drop npp and was using low deca.
    Those 2 coming out.
    Adding DHB (test-1-cyp) at 50-75mg a day.
    Adding Proviron 50mg to 75mg a day

    Adding t3 20mcg and t4 100mcg
    Time to speed up metabolism.
    Will add igf 2 weeks on 2 weeks off before long I hope.

    Today had long road trip didn't have time for gym or to post much. But tomorrow gym and post more.
    Let's see if I got a photo to update today.
    Behind on AI and time to stop the npp it's more watery than deca for myself.

    So here is photo watch me lean up in next 2 weeks.
    I will tell y'all plan it's posted.
    And my gym routine thread up..


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    Looking solid,
    Do you have a goal weight that your aiming for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Looking solid,
    Do you have a goal weight that your aiming for?
    No I don't!!!
    I just would like to put on keepable lean muscle and stay lean.
    Often stay around same weight 10lbs heavier than a cut weight.
    Time to eat right and enough of right foods hard and to train with enough rest.
    I am 5'8" am older, it was easier younger and before surgeries I have had and stress of life. Lol
    But 5'8" 205-210 is most I wanna weigh, only at less than 11% body fat.
    Aiming to get 205 at 7% so slowly trying to get there....

    So I said no, but yes goal 205 at 7% maybe 210 at higher %, but always try to keep body fat less than 13% preferably less than 11%

    Bf or water increased last week to 10 days but it fluctuates alot. Gonna get grounded on diet, training and sleep. Been eating alot of junk past 2 weeks kind if went crazy with junk food.

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    Are you planning on also recording your meals on this post as well?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Are you planning on also recording your meals on this post as well?
    Right now eating everything and anything, so....
    Alot if junk and alot of real food just starting to cut some junk slowly.
    I picked up tempo

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    Ok
    Picked up tempo high intensity getting back my rythum.
    Training 4-5 Days WK now.
    For this week only have legs left but will start ahead and get next week rolling sat or Sunday meaning pushing more workouts per week and will continue till changes come.

    So I will add food once I clean up it will take me week to do that.
    Gotta cut sugar and carbs slow.
    First sugar snacks!!!!
    Been on an eating junk binge past month or so... Lol

    So using this ATM
    Test e approx 200 wk
    Test prop 35mg a day
    Trest ace 12.5 mg a day
    Primo e 75mg a day
    Mast e and p total if prolly 500wk
    Added 50mg proviron a day
    Will Lower mast to 400wk
    Using Nolva 20mg eod day to 3x week
    Adex 0.4mg 3x wk but took 1mg last night of Pharma grade.
    Cabar 0.25mg 3x wk
    Hgh 5iu a day generics
    MT2 250MCG 3X wk

    Didn't pull out DHB yet but will.... And add it.
    Stopped deca and npp. Water water right now with diet bad.

    Igf last pin today...
    T3/t4 Novothyral didn't use yet hanging back
    Hgh Pharma grade with add at 3iu and drop genetics a bit...

    Some photos and don't like them
    No pump did cardio Eliptical 40 minutes.
    Sort of leg pump...

    Losing water and Gonna get back lean by diet and growth too with pushing harder and harder until it happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Right now eating everything and anything, so....
    Alot if junk and alot of real food just starting to cut some junk slowly.
    I picked up tempo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    if your eating junk food then I definitely need to figure what I’m doing wrong lol
    It's not that u doing anything wrong!!!
    I don't change a whole lot and my body has adapted to years of hard work.
    If u look at military they put people thru training and they all come out a certain way min.
    If we look at any stort say a linebacker in football they all look similar Right!

    So put yourself through what it takes to become a certain way. Diet important.
    Once u do same for years and years your body will adapt end become efficient to what u putting it thru. But it takes years and remember I am doing hiit.
    I started some cardio on its own just to see where my cardio was and motivate me to eat right to push further

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    Mechanic your a beast!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    Mechanic your a beast!!
    Agreed
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    Mechanic your a beast!!
    Got work to do....
    I been eating all kids snacks.
    Well not all she buys unlimited supply, but all the junk I been eating
    Trying to clean diet and push harder at gym.
    Just to get cardio of hiit back where it was brings changes.
    After cut end if June I was burned out and went into TRT had bloods and dropped t3 and t4, I had major changes from hormone drop and thyroid having to come back.
    But I am leaving thyroid alone and may just use 4 weeks on and 4-6 off and try that or just use for 6 weeks to cut instead of staying on for 5-6 months at a time..


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    Still cleaning diet.
    Using
    Test e 25mg a day
    Test p 35mg a day
    Trest ace around 10mg a day
    Mast e 35mg a day
    Mast p 35mg a day
    Primo e 65mg a day
    DHB (TEST-1-CYP) 75mg a day

    Proviron 50mg a day
    Adex 1mg total a week divided as much as possible
    Nolva 10mg ED just like it
    Cabar 0.25mg a day
    Hgh 5iu a day all in morning
    MT2 250mcg 3x wk

    Not adding t3/t4 yet will at 20mcg t3
    And 100mcg t4 later...

    I have tbol, winny and Anadrol
    If I use oral it will be Anadrol and low 25mg to 50mg a day and short run!!!

    So those are doses adjusted.
    NO PIP FROM DHB IT'S 200MG PER ML.
    TODAY WAS STARTING TO CRASH HEATED UNDER CANDLE LITE AND THAT TOOK CARE ON BOTTOM CRYSTALS

    If it's crashed again tomorrow will mix it half and half with primo e 100mg and fix that up!!!

    So workouts are HIIT
    Tomorrow will do Chest and biceps
    Bench press 1x20, 2x14, 2x10, 4x5, 2x8
    Rest above 90 sec
    Next burst circuit sets one to other right after
    Will do incline plate loaded cybex machine, then bicep preacher machine, then Pec deck. 5 sets of 6-7 reps each
    Next cable cross, then bicep dumbbell curls, next decline flys dumbbells.
    5 sets 6 reps each one then other burst pause rest and back to it.
    Last ab machine and dips leaning towards front!! 4x20 ab 3x12 dips or failure.

    Diet getting better cut out alot of food!!
    Cleaning then will post meals!!

    Photo update each week for changes.
    No workout today no pump just me for progress.

    Had to put one of back ground. Lol!!

    Gonna lose some body fat!!
    Progress will be noticed each week!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Still cleaning diet.
    Using
    Test e 25mg a day
    Test p 35mg a day
    Trest ace around 10mg a day
    Mast e 35mg a day
    Mast p 35mg a day
    Primo e 65mg a day
    DHB (TEST-1-CYP) 75mg a day

    Proviron 50mg a day
    Adex 1mg total a week divided as much as possible
    Nolva 10mg ED just like it
    Cabar 0.25mg a day
    Hgh 5iu a day all in morning
    MT2 250mcg 3x wk

    Not adding t3/t4 yet will at 20mcg t3
    And 100mcg t4 later...

    I have tbol, winny and Anadrol
    If I use oral it will be Anadrol and low 25mg to 50mg a day and short run!!!

    So those are doses adjusted.
    NO PIP FROM DHB IT'S 200MG PER ML.
    TODAY WAS STARTING TO CRASH HEATED UNDER CANDLE LITE AND THAT TOOK CARE ON BOTTOM CRYSTALS

    If it's crashed again tomorrow will mix it half and half with primo e 100mg and fix that up!!!

    So workouts are HIIT
    Tomorrow will do Chest and biceps
    Bench press 1x20, 2x14, 2x10, 4x5, 2x8
    Rest above 90 sec
    Next burst circuit sets one to other right after
    Will do incline plate loaded cybex machine, then bicep preacher machine, then Pec deck. 5 sets of 6-7 reps each
    Next cable cross, then bicep dumbbell curls, next decline flys dumbbells.
    5 sets 6 reps each one then other burst pause rest and back to it.
    Last ab machine and dips leaning towards front!! 4x20 ab 3x12 dips or failure.

    Diet getting better cut out alot of food!!
    Cleaning then will post meals!!

    Photo update each week for changes.
    No workout today no pump just me for progress.

    Had to put one of back ground. Lol!!

    Gonna lose some body fat!!
    Progress will be noticed each week!!

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    Same routine with supp gears!
    Got dam close to that workout in.
    Food
    4 eggs 2 toast
    1 Greek yogurt
    Chicken breast chickapeas
    Protein shake
    Pork loin on wheat bread with humus
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    Do you get headaches from the cialis?

    I sometimes take 5mg eod or e3d. Gives me a good pump in the gym. But if I take more than 10mg I get bad headache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thx View Post
    Do you get headaches from the cialis?

    I sometimes take 5mg eod or e3d. Gives me a good pump in the gym. But if I take more than 10mg I get bad headache.
    Viagra I get the headache!!
    I had been on Cialis so long that sometimes I take 10-20 a day instead of 10.
    I still take Viagra too sometimes .
    But I am totally adjusted to Cialis at 10mg a day.
    10mg a day keeps my bp real good, even on tren

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    I got a photo to update.
    My goal is to get down to around 7% and go from there. I am giving myself 3 weeks to start seeing changes on run I am on.
    Starting diet and picking tempo up every week to do higher intensity with better cardio than week before
    If changes don't start to come within 3 weeks I will add t3 20mcg and t4 100mcg for 4 to 6 weeks....
    The extra boost in metabolism really helps me alot to burn the fat off and I don't ramp up t3 and t4 I just use the same dose and ween off with only t4 at 100mcg 5 days then t4 50mcg 5 days then none.
    Once I am off or in that last 5 days of 50mcg of t4 I begin to use a thyroid support liquid, 2 drops of iodine between wrist and rub together. I do this with some other OTC supps can't think of right off hand.
    Sometimes to increase t3 to 45mcg and keep t4 at 100mcg. I simply split a 25mcg t3 tab and add 12.5 to the mix Novothyral
    Which is 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4...

    Here is photo. Let's keep track of what works before I add anything if I do add anything. Tren ace would really do the deed but I am avoiding tren. I tolerant tren at 75mg a day well with test prop at 50mg a day or less prop towards end of a cut.
    But this is just a recomp for me and a goal to get BF back into check.

    As I said don't wanna use tren or t3 and t4 unless necessary. If i decided on tren it would only be for 3 weeks 4 max..

    Yeah the photo..
    But first stack
    Trest ace 10mg a day
    Test prop 35mg a day
    Test e 25mg a day
    Mast e 25mg a day
    Mast p 25mg a day
    Primo e 65mg a day
    DHB (TEST-1-CYP) 75mg a day

    Provirin 50mg pre-workout
    Nolva 20mg 3x wk
    Adex 1mg a week broken up 3x wk
    Cabar 0.25mg 2x wk

    Hgh 4 iu generic all at once in morning upon rising
    MT2 250mcg 3x wk

    Reason I am using all everyday is to add pin full to cut DHB that is 200mg per ml.
    This way I haven't had no pip but gotta heat DHB up under candle because it's starting to Crystal (crash) at bottom everyday...

    Next vial of DHB I will mix with primo e and make
    DHB 100mg per ml and primo 50mg per ml
    Mix to stop crashing....
    To put helpful info I will do this.
    I will heat both DHB and primo 10ml vials up under a candle burning. I hold with pair of vise grips..
    I will pull 5ml of primo e 100mg/ml and add it into a sterile vial with a vent needle.
    Then pull 5ml of DHB and add into vial with the primo. Then I will add the remaining 5ml of each in there original vials together in one vial doing same heating techniques.

    After all mixed I will reheat together.
    How Hot??? I will use judgement and as soon as bottom gets hot I remove away from heat and turn top to bottom several times and put back over heat.
    I will not heat to point that it would burn my finger if I do quick touch. The label will not even melt in vial. Maybe only bottom slightly if I let get too close to flame...

    So may be that info will help someone???

    The photos for progress finally
    Have fat to lose everywhere, my lower abdomen and abs really come out as bf gets lower. Viens on sides of abdomen really become clear when I start to get lower in bf...
    Will start posting diet. Remember I work full time job, and have a family at home full time, 2 young kids and I gotta eat what best fits in to time and often with kids. (Meals that are cooked kids eats too I just alter my amounts of meat and sides)


    Trust me I can tell u a perfect diet but I gotta be honest with what I am able to currently do!!!


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    Incredible results so far.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Incredible results so far.
    I can see leaning but I also feel that layer of fat that Gotta go. Lol!!

    I did pick back up intensity and in gym 4 days week atm.
    Diet still adjusting and cut alot of bad foods out.

    Last couple days been busy closing a deal for my job. I got contracts that will keep me busy finally and burn alot more calories.
    I am just finally free from that closing, but got gym in yesturday legs and only have shoulders left for week.
    I may start doing 5 days with route for contacts I got for work. But physical work burns alot more cals i haven't been near as active at all.

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    Got all workouts in.
    I am hurtung bad. Rough week new contact with work and gotta be my best.
    Off weekend will post and rest.

    After this week will see where I am, and if t3 and t4 will be added. Also looking forward to IGF my feet hurt my tendons starting must be drying out.
    The Proviron took 50mg most days and 100ng some adex slowed and Nolva haunting may use a little here and there.
    Today bloated from sweating so much will add more coconut water!!!
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    Hurting from workouts? Does the igf help with tendon pain?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Hurting from workouts? Does the igf help with tendon pain?
    "Hurting" Lol!!
    It's a word I use when I am whipped from hard worked or working out or both....

    Tendons started hurting last week or 2.
    IGF helps my tendons like nothing else!!!!!!
    The stimulation of IGF from using hgh does too, overtime but nothing like IGF, or better both together!!
    I started proviron and stopped deca and NPP.
    The stack I am on is dry in my opinion.
    Using 12.5mg trest ace is low and really just helps keep high test feeling with Lower test.
    I use alot of DHT roids and they crush my tendons!!
    Also testosterone does as well being it's DHT converted.
    My stack right now is this
    Test E 25mg everyday
    Test prop 35mg everyday
    Trest Ace 12.5mg everyday
    Mast E 30mg everyday
    Mast p 30mg everyday
    Primo E 65mg everyday
    DHB (TEST-1-CYP) 75mg everyday

    Proviron 50mg everyday used 75-100 some days
    Expermenting to drop adex and pretty much have!!
    Nolva 20mg 2x wk ATM!! Trying to stop Nolva cause of lowered IGF side!!
    Cabar 0.25mg 2x wk

    HGH 5IU everyday
    MT2 250mcg 3x week

    Will add IGF right into muscles pre-workout and in area of tendon pain. Will use on workout days and prolly 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

    IGF really helps my tendons ASAP!!! It does it almost instantly. But if i let tendons get inflamed to the point of tendonitis or tendonosis then it takes time with some rest.
    I will start wearing elbow sleeves I been curling 50lb dbs and they will do it, plus I use 60lb and give some help with other hand to get around 6 reps..
    For me 50lb dumbbells on up put tendons on both sides of elbow in bind even flipping them up for presses on a bench etc.... I have to avoid db presses for this reason.
    My profession also puts constant wear and tear on tendons reaching pulling and turning wrist back and forth....
    My right shoulder i got to be careful or else!!
    I have a weight I go up to when I feel good physical, but I never lift higher than that anymore!!! Part of aging!!
    This is reason I now workout by keeping a load on muscles making them perform contracting them without much rest periods. It's a way I can make them grow to adapt to that load and length without going heavier with told lbs in one lift or sets of lift...
    I have lifted for 25 years total and without any break except for a surgery with say 4 week break with nothing, it's been 14 years I went at this rate.
    I have been much much bigger 7-8 years ago but didn't stay as lean most of time. Meaning I would cut to 10% and lean bulk at 13-14%.
    I also notice staying under 12% even and especially under 9% my tendons hurt more. My muscles can take the weight but when leaner my tendons hurt more!!!!

    I said alot.... lol!!
    But IGF 1lr3 really helps my tendons more than anything else. Combo with tb500 supposed to help as well but I haven't practiced TB500 much!!
    The healing part of IGF on bones, soft tissue tendons, ligaments etc etc is what I am amazed with.
    Cell splitting and regrowth of more rather than death and deteriorating is the key. And important to know these cells need to mature and that takes time, it's not like steroids.
    It's accumulative and once started new cells continue to grow and mature.
    Everything about bones and connective tissue, IGF has important role. And kids with conditions are treated with IGF to have growth In bones!!!
    Our bones stop growing, but they need constant way to be strong just like our teeth. These connective tissues and bone health deteriorate with age and our Hgh which makes our liver produce IGF, those 2 things decline after age of 30 significantly.
    Yes our other hormones like testosterone stimute IGF production etc..
    But testosterone also lowers collagen at higher doses.
    Deca helps, EQ, helps, primo and anavar help with collagen or they stimulate rather than Lower it!!
    Do they heal these solf connective tissues. I would say not really!!!
    They cause cell growth and collagen production but they do nothing for healing like IGF and or Hgh does.
    HGH does this thru IGF stimulation for most part.
    HGH has other benifits besides just IGF stimulation.
    But for most part IGF is responsible for anabolic and growth that hgh causes!!!
    So it's something along these lines, an easy way to put It! IGF the way i will put it is, we have cells that need repair, IGF will react in these cells, it will start them healing and also cause that cell for example to split into another cell making 2 cells for repairing a damaged tendon or muscle cell for example. This can speed up process by not only healing that injured cell but creating a new cell in the fiber allowing it to strengthen....
    If I have a tendon that can only take so much but if I can add more cells to that total # in that tendon then.. it's like re-enforcing a structure or adding more brades to a rope or cable with an added section. This Is a way I am trying to explain.


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    That info helped a lot. How long are you planning on using the igf for?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    That info helped a lot. How long are you planning on using the igf for?
    Don't know...
    Igf off and on rest of life is the plan!!!

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    Ok.
    Everything is working leaning up!!!
    Gear
    Test e 25mg a day
    Test p 35mg a day
    Trest ace 12.5mg a day
    Mast e 30mg a day
    Mast p 25mg a day
    Primo e 65mg a day
    DHB (test-1-cyp) 75mg a day

    Proviron 50mg a day
    Adex less than .75mg a week
    Dropped Nolva!!
    Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk keeps me happy and horny as Hell!!!

    Hgh 5iu at once upon rising in am!!
    MT2 250mcg 3x week just dosed check out photo. Lol!!

    Doing 4 workouts per week HIIT!!!
    Last work out was Friday next one tomorrow!!!

    Look leaner to me will be fuller on workout day. Diet decent but not holding back much!! Sometimes the more I eat the more my metabolism burns it up!! No t3 or t4 being used, and it's kicking!!



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    Very vascular, your definitely on to something with the hiit workouts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    Very vascular, your definitely on to something with the hiit workouts
    May start the dam Novothyral in morning.
    T3 20mcg and t4 100mcg
    I get aches and pains I don't have on it!!
    My carpal tunnel in hands killing me. Can't type or hold stuff.
    I got cancelled till Thursday for work with storm hitting us some on gulf coast....

    I am temped to throw in Anadrol!! Lol!!
    Or Msten just 3-4 weeks of either.
    Or tren e or tren a.. just impatient and wanna get back faster then hold it...
    Low body fat.. like a dummy I blew it after cut end of June!! Hormone crash, thyroid crash and ate everything I can kids snacks...

    Just cause it was mentioned popped some tbol u had and seeing what happens. Lol
    Anavar my choice or Anadrol!

    U know my lipids back bp is 100/60 heart rate 82 while adhd meds in affect...
    So Novathyral and maybe 4 weeks of fullness Anadrol always fixes tendon it's bicep to shoulder...
    Or tren short burst added...
    Anadrol I get NO WATER at 50mg a day and Tren ace doesn't bother me
    Low 50mg tren ace a day,
    Or low tren e.. LOL!!! Need drive and quick recomp with a cut appitite and Anadrol abd and Tren do wonders!! Lol!!
    Just safe small jumper!!
    Or may just up DHB!! I am impatient like short esters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    May start the dam Novothyral in morning.
    T3 20mcg and t4 100mcg
    I get aches and pains I don't have on it!!
    My carpal tunnel in hands killing me. Can't type or hold stuff.
    I got cancelled till Thursday for work with storm hitting us some on gulf coast....

    I am temped to throw in Anadrol!! Lol!!
    Or Msten just 3-4 weeks of either.
    Or tren e or tren a.. just impatient and wanna get back faster then hold it...
    Low body fat.. like a dummy I blew it after cut end of June!! Hormone crash, thyroid crash and ate everything I can kids snacks...

    Just cause it was mentioned popped some tbol u had and seeing what happens. Lol
    Anavar my choice or Anadrol!

    I know my lipids back bp is 100/60 heart rate 82 while adhd meds in affect...
    So Novathyral and maybe 4 weeks of fullness Anadrol always fixes tendon it's bicep to shoulder...
    Or tren short burst added...
    Anadrol I get NO WATER at 50mg a day and Tren ace doesn't bother me
    Low 50mg tren ace a day,
    Or low tren e.. LOL!!! Need drive and quick recomp with a cut appitite and Anadrol and Tren do wonders!! Lol!!
    Just safe small jumper!!
    Or may just up DHB!! I am impatient like short esters

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    I was just talking smack in that post!!
    Tried little tbol but really prolly will not use oral especially not one that doesn't give me a drive....
    Novathyral didn't use it, rather not but may 4 weeks at a time only if so...
    But tren is tempting me, really it is just small 50mg dose a day. For me 50mg is nothing and doesn't bother me one little bit. 75mg to 100mg a day then tension and agitation can start!!!
    I am thinking of buying 20$ lipid test from Pharmacy. It's all done at home not sure accuracy??
    Too lazy to do labs thru online order and haven't even went do Theraputic phlebotomy.... Was going get lab top never made it. Lol!!!
    I did do 1st workout of week yesterday.
    Will get workout in today as well..
    Should have time to catch up on phlebotomy and seeing about labtop.. am off today and tomorrow due to storm.

    But my strength is low atm. Not much of drive at all either,
    Anadrol gives me all that. Doesn't make me lethargic at all strength goes thru roof and drive. Tren does same strength thru roof and drive... Also Novathyral kills hgh lethergy, that very well be my problem with being calm as can be, too calm in no hurry and lack of motivation. Hands hurting CTS for sure, slight edema at times in hands. Low thyroid....???
    I need to get free t3 and t4 with TSH ordered, lipid panel, hgh serum and IGF orders and go pull labs...
    Then I will know what is safe to do and culprit.

    If hgh lowering my thyroid I wanna see it, if so I treat if not won't!!!
    I wanna check lipids before using an oral or tren even for short run, all health signs and vitals are perfect, BP perfect so think lipids good. Cardio is at high level!!!
    Hgh and IGF serum? Why not??
    So this is my little journal I type my crazy thoughts in and track progress. I always go thru a slump until things really start falling into place with progress though...
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    I think you’ll like tbol, it gave me drive and endurance. Now I’m really curious about anadrol
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselmatt View Post
    I think you’ll like tbol, it gave me drive and endurance. Now I’m really curious about anadrol
    Not using the tbol!!
    Tried some for a few days. Didn't notice anything that I look for in an oral.

    Just had some so... I used them before just not alot and never was worth it!!

    Toxic vs effectiveness
    Anavar my choice
    I use orals for drive and only like dht orals.
    Only like aggression type orals.
    Never liked dbol either.

    If I add oral it will be Anavar or Anadrol.
    But not wanting to I am letting liver and lipids recover and won't use oral til after winter.
    Tbol I would have to use for too long for affects.
    I rather use test no ester for pre-workout for drive.
    Anavar gives me STREGTH and pump I feel good.
    Anadrol too rough for too long but prefer a short run over longer Tbol!

    Will save tbol for TRT dose only to see what they do, to gauge.

    So no oral till after winter except anavar maybe or short 3 weeks of anadrol.
    But prolly not!!



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    Ah! A good muscle mechanic thread gotta read this one. You’ve always got such good info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maj7900 View Post
    Ah! A good muscle mechanic thread gotta read this one. You’ve always got such good info.


    Team MeccaGear!
    Trying head not in sync atm!!
    Been tired and working alot more.
    Mind been blank.
    Checking your thread for progress too.


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    Lethergy killing me.... not sleeping most nights can't fall asleep then tired as Hell all day. Bite the bullet and added Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 mix. That is ratio of the one I have Novothyral 100 is name... Pharma Merch
    I will just do labs in a few weeks and see where I am on free t3 and free t4!!!
    I couldn't take lethergy from hgh any longer.
    Igf really helps for added shuttling of glucose and glycogen hgh manufacturors in liver after dosing.
    Reason we fast an hour before and after so we don't raise glucose more.
    Igf helps with insulin sensitivity and hgh can cause some resistance to insulin. So I wanna add IGF to this regimine and MC IGF is what I will use...
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    Going to gym then work.
    Novothyral raises heart rate top much yesterday. Around 103, I also am on stript Adderal 40mg a day...
    Today I only took 1/2 so 10mcg t3 and 50mcg t4...
    Will see felt better yesterday and slept last night. Just took too much to start..

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    Will go back for phlebotomy sat..

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    Lol!! In hurry to get to work but gym first, so on way to gym.
    Was denied to do phlebotomy heart rate was over 100 bpm 2x!! Yesterday also was #1 day of Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100 t4 mix.
    In past used 1 of those plus 12.5mcg Tirromel added...
    I guess I was used to it or adjusted by first time I checked heart rate.
    So yesterday lethergy was gone just like that 1 hour after that Novothyral dose...

    Today I backed off to 50mcg Euthyral t4 only!! I will monitor heart rate and move up slowly to 100mcg t4 only then introduce 1/2 Novothyral after that then 1 Novothyral eventually.

    Plan is to be safe, and to treat suspected hypo thyroid hgh induced lethergy. I have done this lots of times!! Normally I adjust to 45mcg t3 and t4 100mcg with all vitals perfect I even took 3 fit test hooked to monitors under work load, even on stairs and ladders with weight belt 50lbs and 60lb bag on stairs belt up ladder plus othev stuff had me Do. It was during my cut this May thru July. Everything was perfect. With HIIT training I did it in record time and was told i was most physical fit they ever had. One place been open 20 years others I paid no mind. I was on 75mg tren ace a day with the whole cut crew!!! I guess I was adjusted to T3 and T4 during that time...

    So working today and tomorrow doing gym before work, Saturday going back do phlebotomy my Hemo was 17 yesterday!!
    Will check heart rate thru day today and tomorrow with less thyroid think I took 50mcg of t4 this morning or the mix so if the mix 10mcg t3 and 50mcg t4.
    Popped out blister and didn't know for sure which until after. But it's all good...

    So there is my little experience posted!!
    Time to pump iron at gym now.
    Have from 5:50am to 6:00am to murder these legs!!! It's f8cking on!!!! I put my ear phones and try to murder muscles and keep contractions going no pain to gain!!!

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    That is all folks. Tomorrow no t3 or t4...
    Never did me this way but heart rate like 100-107 during day..
    Well I guess my thyroid recovered and adjusted to hgh cause even small amount this morning caused raise heart rate.

    Safety first may be later but not now for sure!! If I would continue things would pan out but only cause I would suppress thru too much t3 or t3 conversion.


    Will get photo update soon. This thyroid mix never done this to me... wonder if stopping nolvadex has anything to do with it....
    Been on nolva 10mg a day to 20mg eod to 6 months, lowered then dropped.. took 20mg just now.. yikes!!

    Abs showing more, not much fat to lose,
    Rather use tren then have heart rate elevated that way. My norm in day is 82 being on adderall for adhd!!
    But it's just during dose time periods and fine and normal for the med!!!

    Tomorrow no t3 or t4... nope!! If it isn't broken don't fix it....

    Rest of stack same
    Test e 25mg a day
    Test p 35mg a day
    Trest ace 12.5mg a day
    Mast e 30mg a day
    Mast p 30mg a day
    Primo e 65mg a day
    DHB 75mg a day may not use any more will see when out...

    Proviron 50mg a day
    Adex 1mg a week a little every day or so
    Nolva back for now...
    Cabar 0.25mg 2x wk of more

    Hgh 5iu generics
    MT2 250mcg 3x wk

    IGF soon will start will change a few things once IGF comes.

    Well here is photo...
    Can't tell but just enough hair to hide cuts!!
    Sweated all day it's hot and muggy. Worked out this morning. Used MT2 and freezing in ac from heat all day. Viens hiding..

    Shadows bad back light was on too.
    Had to strain so cold, MT2 lol!! Color chills after an hour or so...
    But I am dark..

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